Billions of Dollars still being wasted on Mars Probes and, back to the Moon missions.This is all insanity!

When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.
Do you realize all the advances that have come from the space program?
....but they can/could make those advances with a LOT less $$$$ and make them faster if they didn't have to include the space crap
...they are inhibiting advancement by wasting $$$$$ on the space aspect
--so they ARE wasting $$ billions
Lol, you don't even realize how dumb what you're saying is.

Do you think all those benefits were obvious before the products were available?
Lol, you don't even realize how dumb what you're saying is.
wasting $$$$
spending BILLIONS to see if there is life on Mars = idiocy
AND:
we are in HUGE DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!===duh
idiocy is when you are in huge debt is to go waste more $$$$
 
When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

 
When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.

big waste there--thank you
 
Bombs, Mars rovers, Missions to the Moon ,is all a big waste of money. Lets invest in People here on Earth. Not on any boonedoggle space missions.

Are you shitting me, cowboy?
Billions on "research" of the goofiest subjects imaginable, excused under the rubric of "science."
Billions spent on "art" which is 96% crap.
Billions spent on the Department of Education which educates nobody.
Billions spent on Muslim countries which despise us and stab us in the back every chance they get.
Billions spent on the United (sic) Nations where we are stabbed in the back almost always.
 
Bombs, Mars rovers, Missions to the Moon ,is all a big waste of money. Lets invest in People here on Earth. Not on any boonedoggle space missions.

Are you shitting me, cowboy?
Billions on "research" of the goofiest subjects imaginable, excused under the rubric of "science."
Billions spent on "art" which is 96% crap.
Billions spent on the Department of Education which educates nobody.
Billions spent on Muslim countries which despise us and stab us in the back every chance they get.
Billions spent on the United (sic) Nations where we are stabbed in the back almost always.
that doesn't refute the $$$$ wasted on Mars crap
 
Voyager 1 is the man-made object furthest away from Earth, not quite 14 billion miles, away, 17 light-hours. And it's taken 43 years to get that far.

The idea that "The recent dispersion of tiny satellites to the far reaches of the universe gives us the statistical evidence" is utter nonsense.

Well, these are claims by Stephen Hawking, Yuri Milner, and Mark Zuckerberg. You know they are lying somewhere. In fact, now that I have been digging into this since Toddsterpatriot is too stupid to find out answers from his own atheist scientists, I'm not sure if they've gotten off the ground yet with their confetti satellites. Basically, the billionaires lost their money if they could not launch.

Anyway, I'm not sure how far one can get with theses satellite since it's the opposition's ideas. I'm the one who gets a good laugh when they fail.
You don't even know what "the far reaches of the universe" means. To think that we could send probes there and return data within our lifetimes is absolutely ignorant horseshit.

Sure, it's Alpha Centauri. Again, I'm not for sending confetti satellites there. Why waste money?

Laser beams are great for short to mid-range weaponry like China has developed to shoot down satellites.

Do you know the problems powering satellites even tiny ones for long distance travel with laser beams? For one, clouds and atmospheric conditions could cause you to lose your satellite or it loses its source of power.

Beam powered satellites and space craft are the wave of the future, but still have problems to overcome for long distance travel.
You're really not very good at this.

Alpha Centauri is 4.37 light-years from the Sun. Voyager 1 is travelling about 17 kilometers per second.

At that speed, it will take 77,117 years to get there.

Meanwhile, your claim that Alpha Centauri is "the far reaches of the universe" is astoundingly ignorant. The Milky Way galaxy is estimated to be 170,000-200,000 light-years in diameter.

The observable universe is estimated to be about 45.7 billion light-years across. And the universe is far bigger than we can see.

There have been exactly zero probes launched as you describe.

You should stop insisting you be taken seriously. You simply don't understand the basic concepts, and you're too stupid to want to learn.

Haha, you dumb twat. It isn't my ideas that I am talking about. (If it's about me, then when someone mentions lasers and satellites, I think of the military weapons that China has built to shoot down US communications satellites. Now, that's a real threat.) Instead, it's those of atheist scientist and departed Stephen Hawking. He wants to take those confetti satellites to Alpha Centauri in search of other life which may as well be the far reaches of the universe if we are searching for life. Atheist scientists think that searching out to Alpha Centauri would give them the best chances of finding life. If there is no life until out there, then it will demonstrate that life is rare, i.e. no aliens, which was my point. Instead, they think they'll find life due to evolution and presumably abiogenesis.

Furthermore, didn't I mention the James Webb telescope already? That would be my idea of looking at the far reaches of the universe which will probably be what will hopefully come to fruition. The laser beam from Earth propelling the confetti satellites may not even be feasible. A waste of $100 million that fits the topic of this thread. Milner has already said they'll give up in 2025. That's what I've been talking about.

Okay, now what am I supposed to learn from Voyager I that you brought up? Don't you think I know how it is propelled? How is that related to the thread?

Instead, your point is how vast the observable universe is and how my saying the vast reaches of the universe doesn't fit. With the universe, even the vast reaches is not enough as it keeps expanding.

Anyway, your small dick point is to attack me as knowing nothing about science instead of learning from what I have to say and have said.
So, you believe lots of bullshit, you can't carry on a rational conversation, and it's MY fault.

Eat shit, boy.

I asked you what does Voyager I have to do with wasting money? Was that a waste of money? I don't think it was for the time. Is it my fault you can't stay on topic?

Do you think there's a good chance of finding aliens on Jupiter or Saturn? I don't, but at least those planets have protection from solar radiation and the solar wind.

I'll be glad to point out spending $100 million on confetti satellites that can't launch in order to find space aliens when there aren't none is dumb.

It didn't take long for you to go to ad hominems. Eat shit and die fakkit.

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space." ― Douglas Adams

Yes, space is mind bogglingly big. My hypothesis is that it's part space and then there's spacetime. Could it be another dimension we are looking at? We can only get so far, but the rest is out of reach. We'll never be able to get there. You want me to measure it in distance, but I think it goes beyond that. It's awesome.

Many people believe in a fourth dimension, but we haven't been able to prove it.
Out of the entire internet, the words "confetti satellites" appear only in this thread.

You'd think that if leading luminaries in the sciences were building them and trying to launch them, there'd be mention of them somewhere other than a "fire...BAD!" thread on a message board.

In conclusion, you've been demonstrated to have no single clue of what you're talking about.

That's because I'm a creative and descriptive type unlike a basic science follower like you. You never answered my questions about Voyager 1 nor explained what it has to do with this thread. Nothing you posted has to do with this thread unless you stupidly think Voyager 1 was a waste of money.

You and Toddsterpatriot should get a room together and discuss how Voyager 1 relates to the topic and how the confetti satellites using laser beams to have been failures so far. The problems such as clouds, dense atmosphere, other space bodies, asteroids, and more seem to get in the way of the lasers.

When 2025 comes around, will you admit that you are wrong and we didn't find any aliens with Yuri Milner's $100 million backing and late atheist scientist Stephen Hawking's confetti satellite ideas?
There have been no satellites launched as you describe, you freakin' retard. What happens in your head doesn't count.

I used Voyager 1 as an example of a man-made object -- the one furthest from the Earth -- to show what an amazingly minuscule distance it's covered in the decades since it's been launched.

But you were too damn stupid to understand those big scary numbers.

You're in way over your head here, and no matter how much you pout and stamp your feet, it's NOT my fault.

Back to ad hominems because you cannot explain daveman. That's not very scientific.

If Voyager 1 and 2 are for comparison, how large is the universe to you? What do you mean by big scary numbers?

I have my numbers, but they aren't big scary numbers.
I already gave you estimates of the size of the observable universe. And it keeps going from there.

And there have been no satellites launched to "the furthest reaches of the universe", like you repeatedly claimed.
 
Voyager 1 and 2 are the furthest we have ever gone,

You lied when you said "the far reaches of the universe".
Obviously.

I also brought up where does space end and spacetime, i.e. 4th dimension, begin?

Does this dribble make your lie somehow less of a lie? LOL!

I still don't think you get it although I've explained it several times now. You're too dense haha.

You don't and can't answer my questions while I answered yours. For example, how far is Alpha Centauri? Do you agree that if we went as far as that with the confetti satellites probe, then it is enough to say there are no space aliens? If we go by time, then 2025 would be around 100 years of searching for aliens and no aliens. Would you agree that there are no aliens?

I'll ask you the same question I asked daveman. How far is the far reaches of the universe since you're so hung up on that?
So...if one solar system...out of TRILLIONS in the universe...has no life, that means it's a statistical certainty there is no life in the universe.

One. Out of trillions.

You really are not very good at this.
 
Voyager 1 and 2 are the furthest we have ever gone,

You lied when you said "the far reaches of the universe".
Obviously.

I also brought up where does space end and spacetime, i.e. 4th dimension, begin?

Does this dribble make your lie somehow less of a lie? LOL!

I still don't think you get it although I've explained it several times now. You're too dense haha.

You don't and can't answer my questions while I answered yours. For example, how far is Alpha Centauri? Do you agree that if we went as far as that with the confetti satellites probe, then it is enough to say there are no space aliens? If we go by time, then 2025 would be around 100 years of searching for aliens and no aliens. Would you agree that there are no aliens?

I'll ask you the same question I asked daveman. How far is the far reaches of the universe since you're so hung up on that?
So...if one solar system...out of TRILLIONS in the universe...has no life, that means it's a statistical certainty there is no life in the universe.

One. Out of trillions.

You really are not very good at this.

He sucks at science and math.
 
When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.
Do you realize all the advances that have come from the space program?
....but they can/could make those advances with a LOT less $$$$ and make them faster if they didn't have to include the space crap
...they are inhibiting advancement by wasting $$$$$ on the space aspect
--so they ARE wasting $$ billions
Lol, you don't even realize how dumb what you're saying is.

Do you think all those benefits were obvious before the products were available?
Lol, you don't even realize how dumb what you're saying is.
wasting $$$$
spending BILLIONS to see if there is life on Mars = idiocy
AND:
we are in HUGE DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!===duh
idiocy is when you are in huge debt is to go waste more $$$$
Ummm. Seems they've switched to a bigger chip. Now they're removing republican't's curiosity as well as their sense of humor.
 
When are we as Americans going to wake up and stop wasting money on these Mars Probes and rovers, and now they are talking about going back to that skyless dead rock the Moon. When are we going to start spending money here on Earth to help humans with , homes, food for the unemployed. Let us stop wasting money on these pie in the sky Mars, and Moon missions.?! Your thoughts.
Do you realize all the advances that have come from the space program?
....but they can/could make those advances with a LOT less $$$$ and make them faster if they didn't have to include the space crap
...they are inhibiting advancement by wasting $$$$$ on the space aspect
--so they ARE wasting $$ billions
Lol, you don't even realize how dumb what you're saying is.

Do you think all those benefits were obvious before the products were available?
Lol, you don't even realize how dumb what you're saying is.
wasting $$$$
spending BILLIONS to see if there is life on Mars = idiocy
AND:
we are in HUGE DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!===duh
idiocy is when you are in huge debt is to go waste more $$$$
Ummm. Seems they've switched to a bigger chip. Now they're removing republican't's curiosity as well as their sense of humor.
Look up the animation of how Curiosity entered the atmosphere and landed on mars. Incredible. Perseverance will do it the same way. There may be some pictures from a camera or two on it.
 
I already gave you estimates of the size of the observable universe. And it keeps going from there.

So you agree with my numbers of around 6,000 light years?

And there have been no satellites launched to "the furthest reaches of the universe", like you repeatedly claimed.

Which backs up what I have been claiming. That the atheist scientists have been miserable failures. Are you a failure daveman or is your science based on past successes?
 
So...if one solar system...out of TRILLIONS in the universe...has no life, that means it's a statistical certainty there is no life in the universe.

Those were Stephen Hawkins claims based on his sampling of the universe. I explained it to you more than three times and it went over your head. You are one weird guy daveman. You don't believe Hawking, but mistakenly attribute what he said to me and then claim that I am wrong. You can't even state what would satisfy you statistically. You are one dumb motherfarker stating that you have to look over trillions of solar systems to know for certainty. You have ignored the things I brought up like Drake's equation, Ferdi's paradox, the great filter, and more. You are worthless in science and another one who wastes government money on worthless space projects.
 
So...if one solar system...out of TRILLIONS in the universe...has no life, that means it's a statistical certainty there is no life in the universe.

Those were Stephen Hawkins claims based on his sampling of the universe. I explained it to you more than three times and it went over your head. You are one weird guy daveman. You don't believe Hawking, but mistakenly attribute what he said to me and then claim that I am wrong. You can't even state what would satisfy you statistically. You are one dumb motherfarker stating that you have to look over trillions of solar systems to know for certainty. You have ignored the things I brought up like Drake's equation, Ferdi's paradox, the great filter, and more. You are worthless in science and another one who wastes government money on worthless space projects.

Those were Stephen Hawkins claims based on his sampling of the universe.

Where did he claim that one solar system is a sufficient sample?
 
daveman

You don't and can't answer my questions while I answered yours (jamesbond). For example, how far is Alpha Centauri? Do you agree that if we went as far as that with the confetti satellites probe, then it is en
So...if one solar system...out of TRILLIONS in the universe...has no life, that means it's a statistical certainty there is no life in the universe.

One. Out of trillions.
You really are not very good at this.

"Trillions" is such a small number when compared with the insuperable statistics of original, naturalistic polypeptide synthesis.

A million is 10 to the 6th power. A trillion is 10 to the 12th power. OOOOO-EEEEEEEEE.

Let's start with a small protein inside each of you reading this. Hemoglobin. Only 574 amino acid residues in sequence. The FIRST hemoglobin molecule that was made by some magic, naturalistic method, was assembled one link at a time out of 20 different amino acids which make up humans.
What is 1/20 to the 574th power, compared to 10 to the 12th? It's like zero. Multiply a trillion trillion trillion chances times 1/20th to the 574th and you get essentially the same number you started with, nil. But that's statistical child's play in the Impossibility Game of life.

There are some 20,000 different proteins in our bodies, the largest of which is titin, in muscles.
It has 33,450 links.

Please calculate 1/20 to the 33,450th power. For ONE protein. That doesn't even take into account the 50/50 chance of forming non-peptide bonds, which are not part of proteins.
That doesn't even take into account the fact that all the amino acids are L, or levorotary, not D, or dextrorotary. Again 1/2 to the 33,450th power times 1/2 to the 33,450th power for peptide bond probability. We have not yet addressed the complex folding of every protein.

What was that about "Trillions" of galaxies? There was never "infinite time" nor "infinite resources" to reach this infinitely impossible magic extra terrestrial. Nor for us.

Post Script: Accusations of ignorance back and forth avail absolutely nothing. When Jesuit Priest and accomplished mathematician Georges Lemaître, advised Albert Einstein, also something of a mathematician himself, that Einstein's equations inexorably lead to the conclusion of the Big Bang, which Lemaître called the "primeval atom," Einstein said, "Your mathematics are correct but your physics are atrocious." Both could not have been correct, but that did not make one of them a fool or ignorant. Einstein was simply possessed by the Steady State Theory and he would not deviate from it, notwithstanding science and mathematics to the contrary. Such bias continues to this day, in Darwinism, in climate change, in the Covid Insanity.
 
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Where did he claim that one solar system is a sufficient sample?

I swear you do not read and comprehend what i have said many, many, many times to you. YOU IDIOT!!!

I comprehend every lie you post.
You said one solar system, out of trillions, is enough to say there is no alien life.
That's a lie.
Then you said that was Hawking's claim. Another lie.

You said we sent satellites to the far corners of the Universe. Another lie.
 
I already gave you estimates of the size of the observable universe. And it keeps going from there.

So you agree with my numbers of around 6,000 light years?

And there have been no satellites launched to "the furthest reaches of the universe", like you repeatedly claimed.

Which backs up what I have been claiming. That the atheist scientists have been miserable failures. Are you a failure daveman or is your science based on past successes?
Which backs up what I have been claiming. That the theist scientists have been miserable failures. Are you a failure or is your science based on past successes?
 
So...if one solar system...out of TRILLIONS in the universe...has no life, that means it's a statistical certainty there is no life in the universe.

Those were Stephen Hawkins claims based on his sampling of the universe. I explained it to you more than three times and it went over your head. You are one weird guy daveman. You don't believe Hawking, but mistakenly attribute what he said to me and then claim that I am wrong. You can't even state what would satisfy you statistically. You are one dumb motherfarker stating that you have to look over trillions of solar systems to know for certainty. You have ignored the things I brought up like Drake's equation, Ferdi's paradox, the great filter, and more. You are worthless in science and another one who wastes government money on worthless space projects.
there it is again--a theist who insults and denigrates people --you prove there is no god
 

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