Bill Whittle on Taxing the Rich

[asterism]

The fly in the ointment is you are making claims about a non-registered charity and applying then to a registered charity.
Can't you see the flaw in that?

What flaw? It illustrates my point and refutes yours. Your solution is to remove tax exemption from all charities. I have seen how it worked out when a group of for-profit enterprises engaged in charitable work. There is no mechanism for considering those expenses as anything other than non-deductible gifts that way. Your subsequent solution is to change the law and allow certain charitable deductions, which I said is how the non-profit sector got started anyway.

Am I speaking over your head or are you just too stubborn to admit you are wrong?

You don't speak for me!!!

I didn't. You said this:

But even if the present law was as you claim, when the law is changed to tax charities the same law can make the $95,000 an operating expense and not taxed as profit.
Hypothetical problem solved.

I stated the obvious, that money spent for charitable purposes are overhead for a charity, not profit. The phony charities perverted by the Super Rich do not spend very much money on charitable purposes. They accumulate more and more wealth that the heads of the "charity" control.

Your arrogant condescension blinds you to the obvious difference.

No, I understand the difference. I have only disagreed with your proposed solution which is to tax all charities.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Raising taxes will not help one bit. The tax rate is already too high and the tax code is too complicated for any organization other than large inefficient businesses (who have not caused any recovery from any recent recession) to work around it. We need a cut in spending and a cut in the effective tax rate of small businesses. Federal revenues will grow when the economy grows. Growth comes when small businesses expand.

Raising taxes doesnt affect the debt?

Show me when the debt was ever decreased due to tax increases. If fact, show me a year where the debt was ever decreased at all.

Raising taxes doesnt effect the debt?

 

[asterism]

Raising taxes doesnt affect the debt?

Show me when the debt was ever decreased due to tax increases. If fact, show me a year where the debt was ever decreased at all.

Raising taxes doesnt effect the debt?

No. It always goes up. Congress merely spends the additional revenue and still borrows.

 

[martybegan]

show me when the debt was ever decreased due to tax increases. If fact, show me a year where the debt was ever decreased at all.

raising taxes doesnt effect the debt?

no. It always goes up. Congress merely spends the additional revenue and still borrows.

this

 

[martybegan]

Raising taxes doesnt affect the debt?

Not when every time you raise taxes, you raise your expenditures. While conservatives do have issues with raising taxes, progressives have never met a social program they didnt like. Any increased revenue is just used to fund more programs, and any cuts arent real cuts at all, just reduction in increases, i.e. raising the budget by 4% instead of the planned 6% and calling that a cut.

Here's a deal. Cut spending down to what the goverment's current revenue is, then come back to us when you want more $$ to re-instate certain programs, dont just leave the programs and then try to figure out how to fund them.

There you go parroting your MessiahRushie's BS again.

The government always grows when the Regressives are in control. Reagan, the premier CON$ervative of all time, added a whole new government cabinet-level department, The Department of Veterans Affairs.

If you are going to continue on this line, I prefer to think Rush thinks like me. He is in awe of my level of awsome.

Man, thats funny, you point out one department, which was basically taken from the existing veterans resource groups in the DOD, as an example. You are too too funny.

 

[edthecynic]

Not when every time you raise taxes, you raise your expenditures. While conservatives do have issues with raising taxes, progressives have never met a social program they didnt like. Any increased revenue is just used to fund more programs, and any cuts arent real cuts at all, just reduction in increases, i.e. raising the budget by 4% instead of the planned 6% and calling that a cut.

Here's a deal. Cut spending down to what the goverment's current revenue is, then come back to us when you want more $$ to re-instate certain programs, dont just leave the programs and then try to figure out how to fund them.

There you go parroting your MessiahRushie's BS again.

The government always grows when the Regressives are in control. Reagan, the premier CON$ervative of all time, added a whole new government cabinet-level department, The Department of Veterans Affairs.

If you are going to continue on this line, I prefer to think Rush thinks like me. He is in awe of my level of awsome.

Man, thats funny, you point out one department, which was basically taken from the existing veterans resource groups in the DOD, as an example. You are too too funny.

The Veterans Administration had 50,000 employees. The Department of Veterans Affairs has 235,000 employees. If that is not a significant growth in government, then you have nothing to ***** about regarding the growth of government.

 

[martybegan]

There you go parroting your MessiahRushie's BS again.

The government always grows when the Regressives are in control. Reagan, the premier CON$ervative of all time, added a whole new government cabinet-level department, The Department of Veterans Affairs.

If you are going to continue on this line, I prefer to think Rush thinks like me. He is in awe of my level of awsome.

Man, thats funny, you point out one department, which was basically taken from the existing veterans resource groups in the DOD, as an example. You are too too funny.

The Veterans Administration had 50,000 employees. The Department of Veterans Affairs has 235,000 employees. If that is not a significant growth in government, then you have nothing to ***** about regarding the growth of government.

Logical Fallacy: Argument to the extremes: If I like something that is similar to X, then I have to support ANYTHING even closely related to X.

People can disagree on what parts of government should grow or be cut. Just because someone supports one agency doesnt mean they cannot call for the end of another.

In the case of the DVA, there is no (or shouldnt be) similar organization further down the chain. I have issues with layered agencies such as DOE which basically replicate what is done at the state and local level.

 

[edthecynic]

If you are going to continue on this line, I prefer to think Rush thinks like me. He is in awe of my level of awsome.

Man, thats funny, you point out one department, which was basically taken from the existing veterans resource groups in the DOD, as an example. You are too too funny.

The Veterans Administration had 50,000 employees. The Department of Veterans Affairs has 235,000 employees. If that is not a significant growth in government, then you have nothing to ***** about regarding the growth of government.

Logical Fallacy: Argument to the extremes: If I like something that is similar to X, then I have to support ANYTHING even closely related to X.

People can disagree on what parts of government should grow or be cut. Just because someone supports one agency doesnt mean they cannot call for the end of another.

In the case of the DVA, there is no (or shouldnt be) similar organization further down the chain. I have issues with layered agencies such as DOE which basically replicate what is done at the state and local level.

State and Local Report


Alabama Department of Veterans Affairs

RADM W Clyde Marsh, USN Ret, Commissioner
P.O. Box 1509
Montgomery, AL 36102-1509
(334) 242-5077
(334) 242-5102 fax
clyde.marsh@va.alabama.gov
http://www.va.state.al.us
Alaska Department of Military & Veterans Affairs

Verdie Bowen, Director
P.O. Box 5800
Camp Danali, Bldg. 49000, Rm C-211, P.O. Box 5800
Ft. Richardson, AK 99505-0800
(907) 428-6016
(907) 428-6019 fax
verdie.bowen@alaska.gov
http://www.ak-prepared.com/vetaffairs
American Samoa Veterans Affairs

Aliitai S Lili'o, Vet. Affairs Ofc.
American Samoa Government
P.O. Box 2586
Pago Pago, AS 96799
001/684/633-4206
684-258-2585 fax
alitaililio@yahoo.com
http://www.nasdva.com/americansamoa.html
Arizona Department of Veterans Service

COL Joey Strickland, USA (Ret, Director
3839 North 3rd Street
Suite 200
Phoenix, AZ 85012
(602) 255-3373
(602) 255-1038 fax
scook@azdvs.gov
http://www.azvets.com
Arkansas Department of Veterans Affairs

David Fletcher, Director
2200 Fort Roots Drive
Building 65, Room 119
North Little Rock, AR 72114
(501) 370-3820
(501) 370-3829 fax
Dave.Fletcher@arkansas.gov
Arkansas Department of Veterans Affairs
Bureau of Maine Veterans Services

Peter W Ogden, Director
State House State #117
Augusta, ME 04333
(207) 626-4464
(202) 626-4471 fax
peter.w.ogden@maine.gov
www.mcrassn.org
California Department of Veterans Affairs

Roger Brautigan, Secretary
1227 O Street
Room 300
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 653-2158
(916) 653-2456 fax
roger.brautigan@cdva.ca.gov
http://www.cdva.ca.gov
Colorado Division of Veterans Affairs

William Conroy, Director
7465 E. 1st Avenue
Suite C
Denver, CO 80203
(303) 343-1268
(303) 343-7238 fax
William.Conroy@dmva.state.co.us
Colorado Workforce by the Colo. Dept. of Labor and Employment
Connecticut Department of Veterans Affairs

Dr. Linda Spoonster Schwartz, Commissioner
287 West Street
Rocky Hill, CT 06067
(860)-721-5890
(860)-721-5904 fax
Linda.Schwartz@po.state.ct.us
http://www.state.ct.us/ctva
Delaware Commission of Veterans Affairs

Antonio Davila, Executive Director
Robbins Building
802 Silver Lake Boulevard
Dover, DE 19904
(302) 739-2792
(302) 739-2794 fax
adavila@state.de.us
State of Delaware - Commission of Veterans Affairs
District of Columbia

Timothy Smith, Director
One Judiciary, 441-4th Street, NW
Suite 570 South
Washington, DC 20001
(202) 724-5454
(202) 724-7117 fax
timothy.smith@dc.gov
District of Columbia Department of Veterans Affairs

Office of Intergovernmental Relations
Office of Veterans Affairs
Washington, DC 20002
(202) 724-5454
kerwin.miller@dc.gov
Florida Department of Veterans Affairs

Col Rocky McPherson, Executive Director
4040 Esplanade Way
Suite 180
Tallahassee, FL 32399
(850) 487-1533
(850)-488-4001 fax
McPhersonR@fdva.state.fl.us
Florida Department of Veterans' Affairs

RADM LeRoy Collins, Jr., USNR, Executive Director
Florida Department of Veterans' Affairs
4040 Esplanade Way, Suite 152
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0950
(850) 487-1533
(850) 488-4001 fax
collinsl@fdva.state.fl.us
http://www.floridavets.org
Georgia Department of Veterans Service

Pete Wheeler, Commissioner
Suite E-970
Floyd Veterans Memorial Bldg.
Altanta, GA 30334
(404) 656-2300 (or 2312) for direct line)
(404) 657-9738 fax
gavetsvc@vs.state.ga.us.
http://www.sdvs.georgia.gov
Guam Veterans Affairs Office

Fred Gofigan, InterimAdministrator
Guam Veterans Affairs Office
P.O. Box 5178
Hagatna, GU 96932
(671) 642-4114
(671) 642-4111 fax
fred.gofigan@gvao.guam.gov
http://www.nasdva.com/guam.html
Hawaii Office of Veterans Services

Mark Moses, Director
459 Patterson Road
E-Wing, Room 1-A103
Honolulu, HI 96819-1522
(808) 433-0420
(808) 433-0385 fax
mark.moses@va.gov
Idaho Division of Veterans Services

COL David Brasuell, USMC, Administrator
320 Collins Road
Boise, ID 83702
(208) 334-3513
(208) 334-2627 fax
david.brasuell@veterans.idaho.gov
http://www.idvs.state.id.us
Illinois Department of Veterans Affairs

Daniel W Grant, Director
P.O. Box 19432
833 S. Spring Street
Springfield, IL 62794-9432
(217) 785-4114
(217) 524-0344 fax
dan.grant@illinois.gov
Illinois Department of Veterans' Affairs : Home
Indiana Department of Veterans Affairs

Tom Applegate, Director
302 West Washington Street
Room E-120
Indianapolis, IN 46204
(317) 232-3910
(317) 232-7721 fax
tapplegate@dva.in.gov
idva@dva.state.in.us
Iowa Department of Veterans Affairs

7105 NW 70th Avenue
Johnston, IA 50131-1902
(515) 242-5331
(515) 242-5659 fax
patrick.palmersheim@idva.state.ia.u
www.iowava.org
Kansas Veterans Commission

Jayhawk Tower, Suite 701
700 S.W. Jackson Street
Topeka, KS 66603-3150
(785) 296-3976
(785) 296-1462 fax
jfowler@kcva.org
http:www.kcva.org
Kentucky Department of Veterans Affairs

Hon. Ken Lucas, Commissioner
1111 Louisville Road (NGAKY Bldg.)
Frankfort, KY 40601
(502) 564-9203
(502) 564-9240 fax
melissa.hall@ky.gov
veterans.ky.gov
Louisiana Department of Veterans Affairs

Lane Carson, Secretary
P.O. Box 94095
Capitol Station
Baton Rouge, LA 70804-9095
(225) 922-0500
(225) 922-0511 fax
lane.carson@la.gov
www.vetaffairs.la.gov
Maine Division of Veterans Services

Peter W Ogden, Director
State House Station #117
Augusta, ME 04333-0117
(207) 626-4464
(207) 626-4471 fax
peter.w.ogden@maine.gov
"Mainebvs.org: index"
Maryland Department of Veterans Affairs

Edward Chow, Junior, Secretary
The Jeffrey Building
16 Francis Street, 4th Floor
Annapolis, MD 21401
(410) 260-3838
(410) 216-7928 fax
echow@mdva.state.md.us
http://www.mdva.state.md.us
Massachusetts Department of Veterans Services

Thomas G Kelley, Secretary
600 Washington Street
Room 1100
Boston, MA 02111
(617) 210-5765
(617) 210-5755 fax
tkelly@vet.state.ma.us
Veterans' Services
Michigan Department of Military Affairs

BG Carol A Fausone, Asst. Adjutant Gen.
3423 N. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.
Lansing, MI 48906
(517) 335-6523
(517) 241-0674 fax
fausonec@michigan.gov
http://www.michguard.com
Minnesota Department of Veterans Affairs

Clark Dyrud, Commissioner
Veterans Service Building
20 W. 12th Street, Second Floor
St. Paul, MN 55155-2079
(651) 296-2562
(651) 205-4208 fax
clark.dyrud@state.mn.us
MN Dept of Veterans Affairs : home
Mississippi State Veterans Affairs Board

Adrian Grice, Executive Director
3466 Highway 80 East
Post Office Box 5947
Pearl, MS 39288-5947
(601) 576-4850
(601) 576-4868 fax
grice@vab.state.ms.us
:: Mississippi State Veterans Affairs Board ::
Missouri Veterans Commission

Larry D Kay, Executive Director
P.O. Drawer 147
Jefferson City, MO 65102-0147
(573) 751-3779
(573) 751-6836 fax
larry.kay@mvc.dps.mo.gov
http://www.mvc.state.mo.us
Montana Veterans Affairs Division

Joe Foster, Administrator
P.O. Box 5715
Helena, MT 59604
(406) 324-3740
(406) 324-3745 fax
jofoster@mt.gov
mt.gov - Montana's Official State Website
Nebraska Department of Veterans Affairs

John Hilgert, Director
P.O. Box 95083
Lincoln, NE 68509-5083
(402) 471-2458
(402) 471-2491 fax
john.hilgert@nebraska.gov
http://www.nebraskaveteran.com
Nevada Office of Veterans` Services

5460 Reno Corporate Drive
Suite 131
Reno, NV 89511
(775) 688-1653
(775) 688-1656 fax
tetzt@veterans.nv.gov
http://www.state.nv.us/veterans/index.html
New Hampshire State Veterans Council

Mary Morin, Director
275 Chestnut Street
Manchester, NH 03101-2411
(603) 624-9230
(603) 624-9236 fax
mary.morin@vba.va.gov
NH State Office of Veterans Services
New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs

COL Stephen G Abel USA (Ret), Deputy Commissioner for Veterans Affairs
Eggerts Crossing Road CN340
P.O. Box 340
Trenton, NJ 08625-0340
(609) 530-7045
(609) 530-7075 fax
stephen.abel@njdmava.state.nj.us
New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs
New Mexico Department of Veterans Services

John M Garcia, Secretary
P.O. Box 2324
Santa Fe , NM 87509-2324
(505) 827-6334
(505) 827-6372 fax
johnm.garcia@state.nm.us
http://dvs.state.nm.us
New York State Division of Veterans Affairs

COL James D McDonough, Jr. USA , Director
5 Empire State Plaza
Suite 2836
Albany, NY 12223-1551
(518) 474-6114
(518) 474-6924 fax
jmcdonough@veterans.state.ny.us
New York State Division Of Veterans' Affairs - REDIRECT
North Carolina Division of Veterans Affairs

Charles F Smith, Assistant Secretary
Albemarle Building, Suite 1065
325 North Salisbury Street
Raleigh, NC 27603
(919) 733-3851
(919) 733-2834 fax
charles.smith@doa.nc.gov
http://www.doa.state.nc.us/vets/va.htm
North Dakota Department of Veterans Affairs

Lonnie Wangen, Commissioner
P.O. Box 9003
Fargo, ND 58106-9003
(701) 239-7165 or toll free 1-866-634-8387
(701) 239-7166 fax
iwangen@nd.gov
http://www.nasdva.com/northdakota.html
Northern Mariana Islands Division of Veterans Affairs - DC&IA

Ruth Coleman, Director
Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Island
Division of Veterans Affairs
Department of Commun, MP 96950-3416
(670) 2650/2651
(670) 664-2660 fax
ruthcoleman2003@yahoo.com
Ohio Department of Veterans Services

Bill Hartnett, Director
77 South High Street
7th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215
(614) 644-0898
(614) 728-9498 fax
bill.hartnett@dvs.ohio.gov
www.dvs.ohio.gov
Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs

Martha Spear, Director
P.O. Box 53067
Oklahoma City, OK 73152
(405) 521-3684
(405) 521-6533 fax
mspear@odva.state.ok.us
Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs - Home
Oregon Department of Veterans Affairs

Jim Willis, Director
Oregon Veterans Building
700 Summer Street, NE
Salem, OR 97310-1201
(503) 373-2388
(503) 373-2362 fax
willisj@odva.state.or.us
Texas Veterans Commission | Helping Veterans Starts Here
Pennsylvania Department of Military Affairs

BGen. (PA) Scott D Wagner, Deputy Adjutant Gen.
Bureau of Veterans Affairs
Fort Indiantown Gap, Bldg. S-O-47
Annville, PA 17003-5002
(717) 861-8902
(717) 861-8589 fax
scwagner@state.pa.us
Puerto Rico Public Advocate for Veterans Affairs

Jorge L Mas, Public Advocate
Public Advocate for Veterans Affairs
P.O. Box 11737
San Juan, PR 00910-1737
(787) 758-5760
(787) 758-5788 fax
jorgelmas@hotmail.com
http://www.opv.gobierno.pr
Rhode Island Division of Veterans Affairs

Daniel J Evangelista, Associate Director
Department of Human Services
Div. of Veterans Affairs, 57 Howard Ave. Rm. 142
Cranston , RI 02920
(401) 462-0323
(401) 254-2320 fax
devangelista@dhs.ri.gov
http://www.nasdva.com/rhodeisland.html
South Carolina Department of Veterans Affairs

Philip R Butler, Acting Director
1205 Pendleton Street, Suite 369
1205 Pendleton Street
Columbia, SC 29201
(803) 734-0200
(803) 734-0197 fax
howard.metcalf@va.gov
South Carolina State Office of Veterans' Affairs
South Dakota Division of Veterans Affairs

George Summerside, Director
Soldiers & Sailors Memorial Building
500 East Capitol Avenue
Pierre, SD 57501-5070
(605) 773-3518 or 3269
(605) 773-5380 fax
george.summerside@state.sd.us
Tennessee Department of Veterans Affairs

John A Keys, Commissioner
215 Eight Avenue, North
Nashville, TN 37243-1010
(615) 741-2930
(615) 741-4785 fax
John.Keys@state.tn.us
Tennessee Department of Veteran Affairs
Texas Veterans Commission

P.O. Box 12277
Austin, TX 78711-2277
(512) 463-6564
(512) 475-2395 fax
ExecutiveOffice@tvc.state.tx.us
http://www.tvc.state.tx.us
United States Merchant Marine Veterans of WWII

Donald Knight, National President
P.O. Box 629
San Pedro, CA 90733
(310) 519-9545
(310) 519-0265 fax
www.lanevictory.org
Utah Department of Veterans Affairs

Terry Schow, Executive Director
Utah Department of Veterans' Affairs
550 Foothill Drive, Room 202
Salt Lake City, UT 84108
(801) 326-2372
(801) 326-2369 or (800) 894-9497 fax
tschow.@utah.gov
www.veterans.utah.gov
Vermont Office of Veterans Affairs

Clayton A Clark, Vet.Serv. Dir.
118 State Street
Montpelier, VT 05620-4401
(802) 828-3379
(802) 828-5932 fax
clayton.clark@state.vt.us
State of Vermont, Office of Veterans Affairs
Virgin Islands Office of Veterans Affairs

Morris D Moorehead, Director
1013 Estate Richmond
Christiansted
St. Croix, VI 00820
(340) 773-6663
(340) 692-9563 fax
morrisd5063@msn.com
Virginia Department of Veterans Services

Vincent M Burgess, Commissioner
900 East Main Street, Ground Floor, West Wing
(Pocohantas Building)
Richmond, VA 23219
(804) 786-0286
(804) 786-0302 fax
vince.burgess@dvs.virginia.gov
http://www.virginiaforveterans.com
Washington Department of Veterans Affairs

John Lee, Director
1102 Quince Street, SE
P.O. Box 41150 MS:1150
Olympia, WA 98504-1150
(360) 725-2152
(360) 586-4393 fax
john@dva.wa.gov
WA State Department of Veterans Affairs
West Virginia Division of Veterans Affairs

Keith Gwinn, Director
1321 Plaza East - Suite 101
Charleston, WV 25301-1400
(304) 558-3661
(304) 558-3662 fax
keith.gwinn@wv.gov
http://www.nasdva.com/westvirginia.html
Wisconsin Department of Veterans Affairs

John Scocos, Secretary
P.O. Box 7843
30 W. Mifflin Street
Madison, WI 53707
(608) 266-1315
(608) 264-7616 fax
john.scocos@dva.state.wi.us
Wisconsin Department of Veterans Affairs (WDVA) Home Page
Wyoming Veterans Commission

Wyoming Veterans Commission
5500 Bishop Blvd.
Cheyenne, WY 82009
(307) 772-5145
(307) 772-5202 fax
lbartt@state.wy.us

 

[martybegan]

The Veterans Administration had 50,000 employees. The Department of Veterans Affairs has 235,000 employees. If that is not a significant growth in government, then you have nothing to ***** about regarding the growth of government.

Logical Fallacy: Argument to the extremes: If I like something that is similar to X, then I have to support ANYTHING even closely related to X.

People can disagree on what parts of government should grow or be cut. Just because someone supports one agency doesnt mean they cannot call for the end of another.

In the case of the DVA, there is no (or shouldnt be) similar organization further down the chain. I have issues with layered agencies such as DOE which basically replicate what is done at the state and local level.

State and Local Report

Alabama Department of Veterans Affairs

RADM W Clyde Marsh, USN Ret, Commissioner
P.O. Box 1509

Montgomery, AL 36102-1509
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Then there shouldnt really be state level agencies, as veterans are a federal responsibility. at most the feds should have state offices.