Bill: Life Sentence without Parole for Terrorists

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"Yep. The region could do with some change. We have agreement )> -- With that. Goodnight Lipush, Caroline, all. I have a few new things to follow up from todays discussions and a book reference too. Have a good weekend all.

de'ja'vu

uh-uh. don't trust this 'beelzeblob.'

 

[Phoenall]

Of course, Israel can define what constitutes a terrorist.

As long as the definition meets with the UN's guidelines, so say a Palestinian firing a rocket laced with anti coagulants would be a terrorist so would merit arrest and life in prison. I would go one step further and have them placed in solitary for 20 hours a day and on basic rations like some American Prisons do.

 

[Phoenall]

You mean a kangaroo court. If you are not aware, and obviously it is clear from your posts that you don't know what you are talking about only Jews living in the West Bank have the right to civil courts. Non-Jews don't have civil rights and face court martials. With the new law, this little fellow, arrested as a terrorist for rock throwing will be in jail for life:

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About 700 hundred non-Jewish children are arrested on the West Bank every year.

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Why should Palestinians under the care of their government be granted Israeli laws, if they want them then they should force their government to implement them. The only civil courts that are in place in the west bank are those provided by the P.A

 

[Phoenall]

You happy if that includes the Settler terrorists Lipush?

There has been a lot of 'price-tag' attacks recently, and there are a lot of settlers practising terrorism.

Would you be happy if it was extended to Palestinians that were caught faking these "price tag" attacks as a warning ?

 

[Phoenall]

You happy if that includes the Settler terrorists Lipush?

Yes. Those who harm Israeli civilians or Israeli soldiers should be locked up, period.

But most of their terrorism is directed at Palestinians Lipush.

Why would you not want them dealt with in the same way as Palestinian terrorists on Israeli citizens?

Is it because you have an ethnic bias?

How can you call graffiti terrorism while condoning the cold blooded murder of children with chemical/biological weapons ?

 

[Phoenall]

If you say so, I'm sure he is.

Just the scale of terrorism against Palestinians has been incredible.
I don't know if the IDF actions should be excluded, just because they are state sponsored, and the soldiers are following orders.

Then you must also include the Palestinians actions in that then to be totally unbiased. Would cause some concern when women and children are being arrested for state sponsored terrorism

 

[montelatici]

Given the number of women and children killed by the IDF, compared to Jewish women and children killed by the Palestinian militias, the Israelis are the more effective terrorists.

 

[aris2chat]

Given the number of women and children killed by the IDF, compared to Jewish women and children killed by the Palestinian militias, the Israelis are the more effective terrorists.

Since it is Hamas that has declared war on Israel, your statement should be "Israel are the more effective fighters/army"

 

[montelatici]

Given the number of women and children killed by the IDF, compared to Jewish women and children killed by the Palestinian militias, the Israelis are the more effective terrorists.

Since it is Hamas that has declared war on Israel, your statement should be "Israel are the more effective fighters/army"

When an organization is killing unarmed civilians, as the IDF does, it isn't considered an army.

 

[aris2chat]

Given the number of women and children killed by the IDF, compared to Jewish women and children killed by the Palestinian militias, the Israelis are the more effective terrorists.

Since it is Hamas that has declared war on Israel, your statement should be "Israel are the more effective fighters/army"

When an organization is killing unarmed civilians, as the IDF does, it isn't considered an army.

Unfortunately there will always be civilian casualties in war, especially when militants use the innocent as shields by operating from urban locations.

 

[montelatici]

Since it is Hamas that has declared war on Israel, your statement should be "Israel are the more effective fighters/army"

When an organization is killing unarmed civilians, as the IDF does, it isn't considered an army.

Unfortunately there will always be civilian casualties in war, especially when militants use the innocent as shields by operating from urban locations.

Typical Israeli propaganda.

 

[aris2chat]

When an organization is killing unarmed civilians, as the IDF does, it isn't considered an army.

Unfortunately there will always be civilian casualties in war, especially when militants use the innocent as shields by operating from urban locations.

Typical Israeli propaganda.

I've been through civil war and seen the results of too many bombings and assassinations. Civilians are almost always injured if not killed in them. Most of these militant groups, be they palestinian or other, have little care about the collateral damage they inflict or the destruction to property near by.

What happens in gaza is little different. I've seen urban warfare and know how hard it is to avoid civilians as well as how little those with the bomb, rockets and guns give a damn about the "innocent" even if the innocent are their own.

 

[montelatici]

I was in Beirut in late 1975 and early 1976, you are teaching me nothing. I had flown in from Jeddah (Jidda in U.S. military jargon) MEA flights were grounded so no connection to Rome was available. The Phoenicia Hotel took artillery fire and I was staying there with my Lebanese friend at the time, who was also an MEA flight attendant, Maronite, by the way. In the end we had to move to her relative's home after the staff took off. It was a free stay at the hotel though, and since I was still with the Army (US) at the time I collected per diem for 3-4 weeks until I was able to get out on one of the last flights MEA operated to get their planes out of Lebanon. You really know little about me, so don't assume or presume.

 

[aris2chat]

I was in Beirut in late 1975 and early 1976, you are teaching me nothing. I had flown in from Jeddah (Jidda in U.S. military jargon) MEA flights were grounded so no connection to Rome was available. The Phoenicia Hotel took artillery fire and I was staying there with my Lebanese friend at the time, who was also an MEA flight attendant, Maronite, by the way. In the end we had to move to her relative's home after the staff took off. It was a free stay at the hotel though, and since I was still with the Army (US) at the time I collected per diem for 3-4 weeks until I was able to get out on one of the last flights MEA operated to get their planes out of Lebanon. You really know little about me, so don't assume or presume.

My father might have been your pilot.
I often took refuge at a friend when roads were closed and it was too dangerous to travel.
Phoenicia was an excellent hotel but since the rebuild it does not have the same charisma.
I hope you enjoyed the hospitality, but such a short stay is not a real reflection of what the streets, neighborhoods or people actually suffered. I except you stayed in ashrafieh, though quite a few of MEA crew lived in hazmieh because of it's access to the airport.
You missed by a year the hotel battles that left the hotel area a real tragedy.
Beirut skyline is so very different now.

 

[montelatici]

Well, the MEA pilots were very courageous. When landing in Beirut I could see live fire very near the airport as it was night. I remember my friend was working the flight and told me that the pilot would have continued on without landing, but he did not have enough fuel. Obviously, on departure of the last MEA planes it was calm that's why they were able to leave. I was not new to this as I had done a tour in Vietnam in the infantry (196th Light Infantry Brigade) a few years earlier. The Phoenicia was indeed a nice hotel by Middle East standards of the time. I think it was an Inter-Continental franchise at the time or was it Holiday Inn, I don't remember. I do remember that it was occupied by Phalangist militia, they were always at the bar in the evening, many of them had the first name of George as I recall.

 

[Roudy]

Well, the MEA pilots were very courageous. When landing in Beirut I could see live fire very near the airport as it was night. I remember my friend was working the flight and told me that the pilot would have continued on without landing, but he did not have enough fuel. Obviously, on departure of the last MEA planes it was calm that's why they were able to leave. I was not new to this as I had done a tour in Vietnam in the infantry (196th Light Infantry Brigade) a few years earlier. The Phoenicia was indeed a nice hotel by Middle East standards of the time. I think it was an Inter-Continental franchise at the time or was it Holiday Inn, I don't remember. I do remember that it was occupied by Phalangist militia, they were always at the bar in the evening, many of them had the first name of George as I recall.

So then you should also know that the Palestinian Arabs killed over 150,000 Lebanese Christians. In fact they were known to be the most violent and ruthless among those that were killing the Christians. You should also know that Muslim animals with the help of the Palestinians committed ethnic cleansing on the Christians of Lebanon, and helped turn the country into an Islamic shithole and failed state. Talk about "displacing people" and "forcing a culture and religion" down a people's throat.

Yeah, the "ethnic cleansing" you keep whining about, Moooslem convert.

Islam = source for evil in the world today.

 

[montelatici]

Well, the MEA pilots were very courageous. When landing in Beirut I could see live fire very near the airport as it was night. I remember my friend was working the flight and told me that the pilot would have continued on without landing, but he did not have enough fuel. Obviously, on departure of the last MEA planes it was calm that's why they were able to leave. I was not new to this as I had done a tour in Vietnam in the infantry (196th Light Infantry Brigade) a few years earlier. The Phoenicia was indeed a nice hotel by Middle East standards of the time. I think it was an Inter-Continental franchise at the time or was it Holiday Inn, I don't remember. I do remember that it was occupied by Phalangist militia, they were always at the bar in the evening, many of them had the first name of George as I recall.

So then you should also know that the Palestinian Arabs killed over 150,000 Lebanese Christians. In fact they were known to be the most violent and ruthless among those that were killing the Christians. You should also know that Muslim animals with the help of the Palestinians committed ethnic cleansing on the Christians of Lebanon, and helped turn the country into an Islamic shithole and failed state. Talk about "displacing people" and "forcing a culture and religion" down a people's throat.

Yeah, the "ethnic cleansing" you keep whining about, Moooslem convert.

Islam = source for evil in the world today.

Hmm. the total casualties were 120,000 and less than a third were Maronites and Armenians (Christians) . I don't know where you got the 150,000 Christians killed number from, just your usual propaganda I guess.

 

[aris2chat]

Well, the MEA pilots were very courageous. When landing in Beirut I could see live fire very near the airport as it was night. I remember my friend was working the flight and told me that the pilot would have continued on without landing, but he did not have enough fuel. Obviously, on departure of the last MEA planes it was calm that's why they were able to leave. I was not new to this as I had done a tour in Vietnam in the infantry (196th Light Infantry Brigade) a few years earlier. The Phoenicia was indeed a nice hotel by Middle East standards of the time. I think it was an Inter-Continental franchise at the time or was it Holiday Inn, I don't remember. I do remember that it was occupied by Phalangist militia, they were always at the bar in the evening, many of them had the first name of George as I recall.

Phoenician was Inter-Continential. My uncle was part owner of the chain based in Geneva.
Holiday Inn was the tall towers just the block east.
Old Phoenicia did have one of the best bars, though I personally preferred the Regis to relax or the Bristol for news and conversation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Come on, guys.

Anyone who opposes the security of Greater Israel is a terrorist by definition.

 

[montelatici]

Anyone who opposes the security of Greater Israel is a terrorist by definition.

That is like saying that anyone who opposed the security of White-Ruled South Africa was a terrorist by definition. Get real.