Hey, who would know better about the effects of minimum wage than the guy who is furthest from it.
Bill Gates: Raising The Minimum Wage Destroys Jobs
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Hey, who would know better about the effects of minimum wage than the guy who is furthest from it.
Mac1958
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Well, my goodness, Mr. Gates said what I've been saying here for a long time - "And you have to say, which of the households end up benefiting - is it the teenager in a wealthy household or is it that household in poverty?" -- a question to which I can never seem to get a comprehensive response. Go figure, huh?
Maybe folks here should look at the clip and listen and consider it carefully. Gates puts multiple qualifiers in his comments because he's a smart and experienced guy who knows that this is not the simplistic, binary issue being painted by the partisan ideologues on both sides. It's far more complicated than silly soundbites, and it deserves far deeper examination than it's being given.
Not holding my breath, of course.
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Well, my goodness, Mr. Gates said what I've been saying here for a long time - "And you have to say, which of the households end up benefiting - is it the teenager in a wealthy household or is it that household in poverty?" -- a question to which I can never seem to get a comprehensive response. Go figure, huh?
Maybe folks here should look at the clip and listen and consider it carefully. Gates puts multiple qualifiers in his comments because he's a smart and experienced guy who knows that this is not the simplistic, binary issue being painted by the partisan ideologues on both sides. It's far more complicated than silly soundbites, and it deserves far deeper examination than it's being given.
Not holding my breath, of course.
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MikeK
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Regardless of what they originally were intended to be they have evolved into that status and must be addressed as what they are, not what they were.
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That's pretty ******* stupid, even for a rightard. Health insurance costs increase every year -- even before ObamaCare.
So clearly, ObamaCare is not the cause of increased rates or the decrease in the job market (which is actually up since Obama became president as more people are working now than when he became president).
Secondly, with the exception of recessionary declines in income, wages also typically increase every year...
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... so that also can't be the reason for any supposed decreases in the job market.
What's the next bullshit excuse you're going to make up, rightard?
Do you wanna talk about the spike in the deductibles, or not?
That only affects about one half of one percent of the population -- many of whom are paying a discounted premium thanks to government subsidies, which helps compensate for the inflated deductibles.
At any rate, this discussion began with the false claim that ObamaCare has cost jobs due to an increase in health insurance increases. Well as the chart I posted shows, there have a) been no such related increases; b) any increases in deductibles you mentioned would affect individuals, not corporations, so that would not lead to job losses; and c) the BLS has not released any jobs numbers since ObamaCare went into effect, so it's not actually measurable anyway.
Translation: ObamaCare has not decreased the job market.
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WTF are you talking about? That chart goes 1999 through 2013, i.e., up until 4 weeks ago. If it doesn't show a spike due to ObamaCare, then how the **** can you blame ObamaCare for an increase in healthcare insurance costs?
Because my healthcare nearly doubled BECAUSE of retardcare ya idiot.
You are a ******* retard thinking your own experience can be used as a nationwide measure. While for many people such as yourself, health insurance costs have increased, for many others, their health insurance costs have dropped.
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Hey, who would know better about the effects of minimum wage than the guy who is furthest from it.
Actually this is a discussion about creating jobs, which is something Bill Gates knows better than anyone. Your logic skills are lacking.
Hey, who would know better about the effects of minimum wage than the guy who is furthest from it.
Actually this is a discussion about creating jobs, which is something Bill Gates knows better than anyone. Your logic skills are lacking.
And how does Bill Gates "know this better than anyone"? Speaking of absent logic skills...
If the system I'm typing this on is any indication, it's quite the stretch to say he knows anything better than anyone...
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As in most thing, we cannot deal in absolutes
Minimum wage of $20 is unsupportable, minimum of $7.50 is much too low in our society
We need to start increasing the wage and then tie it to an inflation factor that automatically increases the wage
Going to Congress for every nickel increase has not worked
Minimum wage of $20 is unsupportable, minimum of $7.50 is much too low in our society
We need to start increasing the wage and then tie it to an inflation factor that automatically increases the wage
Going to Congress for every nickel increase has not worked
Hey, who would know better about the effects of minimum wage than the guy who is furthest from it.
Actually this is a discussion about creating jobs, which is something Bill Gates knows better than anyone. Your logic skills are lacking.
Anyone know how many minimum wage employees Microsoft has? I am guessing not many.
So did paying more than the minimum wage hurt Bills's ability to amass a fortune. And create a huge company. Or did hiring better employees and paying them more than minimum wage help his fortunes?
If Bill is saying that if every hamburger joint starts paying 20 bucks an hour minimum, yea that would hurt.
9 bucks an hour minimum wouldn't hurt a thing
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If minimum wage is a starting wage, then so be it
But what is a start in life?
Being able to pay for college?
Being able to pay for an apartment?
Being able to buy a car?
A minimum wage no longer does that
But what is a start in life?
Being able to pay for college?
Being able to pay for an apartment?
Being able to buy a car?
A minimum wage no longer does that
HenryBHough
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Especially for those who refuse to even try working at one.
Contumacious
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Please write a letter to:
Harry Reid (D-USSR) , demand that they abolish the gargantuan welfare/warfare police state.
Then watch how fast prices come down.
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What the **** is the matter with you assholes? Can you understand why the voting public wants nothing to do with you?
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FYI....stupid **** liberals....
Working at McDonalds isn't intended to support a family unless you are a manager. Most of the workers there are supposed to be teens, college kids and "married" adults with a spouse making the $$$$...
Working at McDonalds isn't intended to support a family unless you are a manager. Most of the workers there are supposed to be teens, college kids and "married" adults with a spouse making the $$$$...
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Then answer them.
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WTF are you talking about? That chart goes 1999 through 2013, i.e., up until 4 weeks ago. If it doesn't show a spike due to ObamaCare, then how the **** can you blame ObamaCare for an increase in healthcare insurance costs?
Did you choose a chart that shows cumulative changes in a deliberate attempt to hide the Obamacare spike, or because you are stupid?
rightwinger
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How much money is a teen or college kid supposed to make?
Enough to pay for college? It used to
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That's pretty ******* stupid, even for a rightard. Health insurance costs increase every year -- even before ObamaCare.
So clearly, ObamaCare is not the cause of increased rates or the decrease in the job market (which is actually up since Obama became president as more people are working now than when he became president).
Secondly, with the exception of recessionary declines in income, wages also typically increase every year...
View attachment 29122
... so that also can't be the reason for any supposed decreases in the job market.
What's the next bullshit excuse you're going to make up, rightard?
Do you wanna talk about the spike in the deductibles, or not?
That only affects about one half of one percent of the population -- many of whom are paying a discounted premium thanks to government subsidies, which helps compensate for the inflated deductibles.
At any rate, this discussion began with the false claim that ObamaCare has cost jobs due to an increase in health insurance increases. Well as the chart I posted shows, there have a) been no such related increases; b) any increases in deductibles you mentioned would affect individuals, not corporations, so that would not lead to job losses; and c) the BLS has not released any jobs numbers since ObamaCare went into effect, so it's not actually measurable anyway.
Translation: ObamaCare has not decreased the job market.
You just answered the question I asked earlier, you chose that chart in a deliberate attempt to hide the spike because you are a lying sack of shit.
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