Biden's Failing Afghanistan Withdrawl

[candycorn]

Yep. That puts 9/11 on Clinton.

Don't be stupid...for once.

 

[candycorn]

I may have

Doubtful. The one common thread about conservative principles is that they change with the slightest breeze. Are you guys still for family values given that your cult leader pays porn stars for sex and parties with pedophiles?

 

[Nostra]

Don't be stupid...for once.

No Bin Laden, no 9/11, Simpleton.

 

[candycorn]

No Bin Laden, no 9/11, Simpleton.

So we can blame WWII on Hitler's nanny who didn't strangle him in the crib?

 

[Nostra]

So we can blame WWII on Hitler's nanny who didn't strangle him in the crib?

Was Hitler a well known terrorist when his nanny was watching him?

Any other dumbfuck questions?

 

[candycorn]

Was Hitler a well known terrorist when his nanny was watching him?

Any other dumbfuck questions?

Yeah, heres one...

Was Bin Laden a well known terrorists when Reagan was arming him?

 

[lennypartiv]

As usual, the left has a different perspective than the right.

Dems refuse to admit we need to stay in Afghanistan a lot longer. Obviously we need a lot more US troops there.

 

[tyroneweaver]

defensive forces are running with their tails between their legs.
Taliban is winning thru winning the hearts and minds

 

[protectionist]

CNN.com - U.S., Taliban bargained over bin Laden ...
www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/19/taliban.documents/index.html
Ahmed "said that the U.S., if it chose to do so, could arrange to have bin Laden killed by cruise missiles or other means, and there would be little the Taliban could do to prevent it," according ...

Taliban agreed Bin Laden handover in 1998 | World news ...

Taliban agreed Bin Laden handover

The Taliban leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar agreed three years ago to hand over Osama bin Laden, but changed his mind after US cruise missile attacks, the former head of Saudi Arabian intelligence said yesterday.

www.theguardian.com

The Taliban leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar agreed three years ago to hand over Osama bin Laden, but changed his mind after US cruise missile attacks, the former head of Saudi Arabian intelligence ...

This is not a HISTORY thread. Please address the topic>> Biden, and the current Taliban takeover,

 

[protectionist]

The US-Taliban Agreement signed in Doha on 29 February 2020 between USA and Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan with much fanfare is the root cause of the current problems that besiege Afghanistan. The so called “Peace Agreement” has failed to deliver any semblance of peace in Afghanistan. To the contrary, the agreement emboldened Taliban to intensify violence, fully aware that Afghanistan forces after withdrawal of US support were simply ‘sacrificial lambs’ waiting to be slaughtered devoid of any aerial support. As a result the Afghan National Army troops only thought it prudent to abandon their positions rather than face a certain death at hands of Taliban.

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Contradictions galore in Afghanistan: Defunct militias only hope
Updated: August 13, 2021 3:23 PM
The US-Taliban Agreement signed in Doha on 29 February 2020 between USA and Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan with much fanfare is the root cause of the current problems that besiege Afghanistan. The so called “Peace Agreement” has failed to deliver any semblance of peace in Afghanistan.
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The rapid advance of Taliban through North and North West Afghanistan has sent shivers down the spine of Afghan government. (Photo source: Reuters)
By Maj Gen NK Bhatia,

The current situation in Afghanistan today is anything but a “mess” perpetuated by those who had set about to set things right.

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The US-Taliban Agreement signed in Doha on 29 February 2020 between USA and Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan with much fanfare is the root cause of the current problems that besiege Afghanistan. The so called “Peace Agreement” has failed to deliver any semblance of peace in Afghanistan. To the contrary, the agreement emboldened Taliban to intensify violence, fully aware that Afghanistan forces after withdrawal of US support were simply ‘sacrificial lambs’ waiting to be slaughtered devoid of any aerial support. As a result the Afghan National Army troops only thought it prudent to abandon their positions rather than face a certain death at hands of Taliban.

As a result almost two third of rural Afghanistan and three major cities today are in control of Taliban within less than one month of US and its coalition partners withdrawing their support from Afghan government forces.


Taliban at first escalated attacks in major cities by attacking minorities across Afghanistan. At first the attacks The Taliban started escalating the violence beginning March 2020 after a moral victory, having forced USA to negotiate with them and leave the Afghan government at the side lines, showing irrelevance of President Ashraf Ghani and his entire newly elected government.

Taliban at first escalated attacks in major cities by attacking minorities across Afghanistan. At first the attacks were attributed to Islamic State Khorasan Province (ISKP). It remained silent on its annual Spring Offensive that it has been unleashing every year to show its relevance and challenge the authority of legitimate government. Its attacks on government forces continued with full intensity leaving very little room for any negotiations, except at terms that were acceptable to the Taliban.

The US had been entrapped in an Agreement with an uncompromising Taliban and it neither had any leverage or control left over actions of Taliban. The Taliban on the other hand started regaining its strength. It was courted by all the countries that had been too willing to see back of USA in Afghanistan. Resultantly during the last one year Taliban has gained its legitimacy and has been on the high table of round table conferences hosted by Russia, Iran and Turkey. However most significantly Taliban’s direct negotiations with China have drawn maximum attention, with Taliban showing a readiness to accommodate Chinese concerns of an expanding Uygur uprising.

Pakistan, as usual continues to play its double game of playing smug on any commitment to rein in Taliban or help reach a consensus for peace in Afghanistan. To the contrary, its Prime Minister has openly stated that Taliban would be unwilling to join any peace as long as President Ghani stays in power, reconfirming its continued mentoring of Taliban leadership. Pakistan has never shied away from admitting Taliban as its protégés and claiming that it considers Afghanistan as its backyard. It fails to see that once anointed in power and free of shackles, Taliban would be a difficult ally to please and control.

The rapid advance of Taliban through North and North West Afghanistan has sent shivers down the spine of Afghan government. It was this region that had stood against Taliban during the last time it had gained control over Afghanistan. As is well known, Taliban draws its strength from Pushtun dominated region of South Afghanistan that neighbours Pakistan, from where it draws its cadres, weapons and political guidance.

The fast paced capture of North and North West therefore seems to be a carefully crafted Taliban strategy to dominate and control non Pushtun regions dominated by Afghanistan’s major ethnic minorities, namely Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazara’s who could possibly pose a threat to Taliban’s takeover of complete country due to their aligning with a number of parallel power centres controlled by war lords that once held complete sway over the region and now stand relatively weak due to their diminished strength over passage of time.

President Ashraf Ghanis who has been vocal to his opposition to the Afghan warlords seems to have suddenly realised the importance of warlords. Struck against the menace of advancing Taliban he opened negotiations with Abdul Rashid Dostum in Kabul, till last year one of his Vice President but currently out of favour, and thereafter rushed to Mazar e Sharief on 11 Aug 2021 to open negotiations with a battery of other warlords and formulate a joint strategy of taking on Taliban in conjunction with Afghan forces and set up a Joint Command Centre at Mazar-e-Sharif after meeting Atta Mohammad Noor and Dostum.

As things stand today Afghan government seems to have very limited options with Afghan National Army troops abandoning their positions in meek surrender to Taliban. The fresh negotiations with warlords and a combined strategy with Afghan government troops would be the only way to put up resistance. However most private militias of late 1990’s having been disarmed and their leadership having merged with Afghan society to take different roles in civil society, their revival is likely to be a challenging task.

A few noteworthy erstwhile regional strongmen who continue to command loyalty and armed backing are Abdul Rashid Dostum, Atta Mohammad Noor, Ismael Khan and Bismillah Khan. Others like Abdullah Abdullah, Ahmed Zia Massoud (brother of Ahmed Shah Massoud) and a few junior commanders have successfully moved to political roles.

Reviving old militias and setting up of joint command that is envisaged is a herculean task with need to find new recruits and equip them. The requirement of money for equipment and manpower is therefore immense. The militias have their loyalty to warlords with inter group rivalry amongst cadres for control of territory and areas of influence. And finally the warlords over a period of time have aged with no young leadership in sight. All these pose a formidable challenge for the current regime.

Afghan government faces challenges to its survival and the only way to take on Taliban appears to be consolidation of forces that have capacity to withstand the onslaught of Taliban. Reequipping and rearming of erstwhile militias and empowering old warlords is a strategy but with immense challenges and huge uncertainties. However the fact that Afghanistan is heading to a civil war is certain.

(The author is Indian Army Veteran. Views expressed are personal and do not reflect the official position or policy of Financial Express Online.)

Contradictions galore in Afghanistan: Defunct militias only hope

The US-Taliban Agreement signed in Doha on 29 February 2020 between USA and Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan with much fanfare is the root cause of the current problems that besiege Afghanistan. The so called “Peace Agreement” has failed to deliver any semblance of peace in Afghanistan.

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Lots of words here. None about Bidens's role in the current bloodbath. (the TOPIC)

 

[protectionist]

Tenet and sandy the burglar had 9 opportunities to off col Tim osman, and failed to strike each time, because col Tim osman was a Zionist Jew CIA/Mossad double agent, and tenet and zionism's #1 hero....

Saudi's were in on 911 too = Putin

 

[protectionist]

You're under the impression that the Taliban had Bin Laden--who had done 9/11 right before--in pocket? I doubt it myself.

 

[protectionist]

Because you know col tim osman worked for your employer....

The mossad

 

[protectionist]

Yeah, heres one...

Was Bin Laden a well known terrorists when Reagan was arming him?

 

[toobfreak]

Biden's Failing Afghanistan Withdrawl​

Kind of redundant, isn't it? I mean, what HASN'T Joe failed at so far?

The guy can't even board his own jet right.

 

[MarathonMike]

It sucks that our 20 year investment in lives and money will be for naught, but I'm more concerned about the offensive Biden is launching against the US through the Southern Border.

 

[protectionist]

Whether the President should have stuck with his original withdrawal date of 9/11 or followed Trump's insistence that it should be sooner may be of no consequence whatever.

Extricating the United States from the Bush quagmire - an inevitably gruesome necessity - has been an imperative that has been deferred far too long. Was a collapse of democratic governance inevitable? We can only speculate, but there are ample, historically-validated reasons to believe so. Why postpone the inevitable even further when the unjustifiable cost that has been exacted for two decades is relentless?

"It has only been twenty years. Let's squander American lives and treasure for just a while longer!" is not an informed calculus.

Here are five reasons why that the U.S. is not likely to return to war in Afghanistan.

1. American Voters are opposed to staying in Afghanistan​

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"We already have service members doing their duty in Afghanistan today whose parents served in the same war," Biden said in April, explaining his plans to leave the country. "We have service members who were not yet born when our nation was attacked on 9/11."​

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His push has been largely supported by the American public. A July poll found 70% of Americans support withdrawing U.S. forces from Afghanistan by Sept. 11, the 20th anniversary of the attacks, while 29% oppose doing so.​

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2. Returning would risk American casualties​

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Yes, combat troops could return. The Taliban military is no match for U.S. forces. But the costs would not be insignificant and likely far more than what the American public is willing to support.​

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"It would destroy his presidency, not least because they would have to fight their way back in, and they would clearly take casualties doing it," Crocker said.​

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3. Doubts more time would create a different outcome​

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The United States spent $2.26 trillion on the war in Afghanistan, trying to rebuild the Afghan government and train its military, according to the Costs of War project.​

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... "And for his critics who say, 'Oh, if we had just stayed a little longer we would have avoided the situation.' If you weren't able to do what needed to be done in 20 years, why do you think 21 or 22 years would have done the trick?"​

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4. The U.S. mission wouldn't be clear​

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"We went to war with clear goals" Biden said. "We achieved those objectives. [Osama] Bin Laden is dead, and al-Qaida is degraded in Iraq — in Afghanistan. And it's time to end the forever war."​

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The United States would need a new reason to return.​

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"So what's the mission?" Crocker said. "To exterminate the Taliban? Bolster the [Afghan President Ashraf] Ghani government? In what ways? And again, to what end? So it's just to me is an utterly imaginary scenario. We will not be going back."​

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5. Biden's focus is on domestic challenges — and China​

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"We'll be much more formidable to our adversaries and competitors over the long term if we fight the battles for the next 20 years, not the last 20," he said.​

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Charles Kupchan, a senior adviser in the Obama White House, said it's a lesson Biden learned after four years of former President Donald Trump.​

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"Trump was responding to a sentiment in the American electorate: 'Too much world, not enough America. What about us?'," Kupchan said.​

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He said Biden understands this and therefore is focused on repairing problems at home and "rebuilding schools in Kansas, not in Kandahar."​

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FALSE! If Biden would have followed through with the Doha Agreement, and got the troops out by May 1, 2021, it is most likely that the current killings we see going on now would not have happened.

Biden knew the Taliban was honoring that agreement, no matter who was POTUS in April/May, and yet he chose to DIShonor the agreement, thereby relieving the Taliban of any obligation to adhere to it on their side (and refrain from violence in the ensuing takeover).

Maybe Biden's failure to honor the Doha Agreemnt is "of no consequence" to YOU, but it is of major consequence to hundreds (if not thousands) of Afghans now being slaughtered, and children being orphaned, and abducted into sex slavery.

Defending Biden in all of this is idiocy. Even such Biden apologists as the New York Times and Washington Post have raked Biden over the coals on this. Get a brain.

 

[Asclepias]

It sucks that our 20 year investment in lives and money will be for naught,

It wasn't for naught. People made millions probably billions, which is why it went on so long. There was no way the US was going to actually win anyway.

 

[protectionist]

MSNBC finally disagrees with Biden and you'll never guess about what!

Pulling out of Afghanistan. Now, there's NOT ONE GOOD THING about liberals. They're not even anti-war.

The leftist media is strongly in OPPOSITION to Biden on the Afghanistan debacle, as are Democrats in Congress. About the only ones defending him are a few scatterbrained Democrats in this forum, and the other forum I post in.

 

[protectionist]

Biden’s withdrawal of US forces just followed Trump’s deal with the Taliban to withdraw by May. They both erred by not withdrawing troops in November or December when fighting is at a lull as opposed to the summer months when the fighting is the most intense.

It did NOT follow "Trump’s deal with the Taliban to withdraw by May." FIRST. Look at the calender. It is August.