Biden, that man is on fire...

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Whattaya talk about when you have represent eight years of failure...?

Go get em Joe...

Check out on CNN streaming video...
 
"Dont tell my what you value... show me your budget, and I will tell you what you value..." ouch...

"I never aspired to be VP"... lol..

damn good show.. fired up.. on message.. and off the cuff...
 
"Dont tell my what you value... show me your budget, and I will tell you what you value..." ouch...

"I never aspired to be VP"... lol..

damn good show.. fired up.. on message.. and off the cuff...

Then undboubtedly someone else's material....:lol:
 
I like Biden. I liked it that he planned to step down way back when, when his family was killed. I liked that he took advice from his dad, to go ahead with his inauguration, take the job just for six months, and then decide.

I also like that he is Catholic, because I was raised Catholic. He kinda speaks my language.

I like that he is from sorta near where I used to live. That's not why I would vote for him, but it makes it easier to get him.

I like that when people were asking for concrete suggestions on how to handle civil unrest in Iraq, he went out on a limb. He did the chat shows to suggest his tripartite division strategy. It seems off the cuff like a bad idea, but still I was impressed that he had a concrete plan that he was willing to put out there, when no one else really did.

Now, McCain impressed me too, for some of the same reasons. I like that he stuck it out in the camp. I am imppressed that he admits the truth of the hardship. I was so very impressed when he opposed the nuclear option in 2005.

Obama impresses me too. He calls people to be their best in a way that is inclusive, not divisive. It's powerful.

Palin, not so much. Sorry, that's how I see it.

Oh! NPR is covering Palin's evangelical stuff right now! I have got to hear this. This "prophecy" stuff is scary.
 
Obama impresses me too. He calls people to be their best in a way that is inclusive, not divisive. It's powerful.

If that were the case, he wouldn't want so many government programs that hold peoples' hands and wipe their asses for them. Obama isn't offering people a way to better themselves, he's offering them handouts.
 
What I hear in his speeches is that it is going to be hard work for everybody, not handouts for everybody. I hear him honestly assessing that the debt and the budget, energy, healthcare, are in deep shit and we have got to get it back on track, unless we want our kids to have it even worse.

At Saddleback, when he was asked what he would tell the american people if he knew there would be no repercussions, he said something like "Solving big problems —- like, for example, energy – is not going to be easy. Everybody’s going to have to get involved.”

He has built his organization with small contributions. He has a big network of grassroots support, and he believes that change requires work. That's what I hear when I listen, and being raised to believe in faith as well as acts, I think he has got this right.

His tax plan does not increase taxes on those making less than ?? 250000? something like this. I think he gets the money to address some of these problems through the taxation on oil (yes?), taxing higher income brackets, and things klike this. Cutting pork would be a good addition.

Any way you cut it, I don't see how you can keep ignoring the debt. I think McCain is willing to. I certinaly wouldn't let my kids continually run up their credit cards, but I don't think they would call me socialist for that!


I assume the effort he alludes to is stuff like carbon caps, and that sort of thing. Shifting an economy to renewables will be hard! But I think it is an investment. It makes sense that it would create jobs as well as give us more domestic energy.
 
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I have a question, about Joe Biden and U.S. Senators in general, do you think it's wise to support the transfer of U.S. Military Hardware to Pakistan? the same country that Barak Obama has on the record stated, "that as president he would order military action against terrorists in Pakistan" see washington post 08/2007. I pose this because Joe Biden along with Richard Lugar are the authors of a bill in the senate to do just that. Transfer and entire class of US Frigates to Pakistan. Now granted some are in the reserve fleet, but it still does not matter. These ships are still technically very capable ships and very deadly in the wrong hands.

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If that were the case, he wouldn't want so many government programs that hold peoples' hands and wipe their asses for them. Obama isn't offering people a way to better themselves, he's offering them handouts.

Be a little more precise and we can discuss it... these hand outs... dont forget there is a big difference between a hand up and a hand out..
 
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Joe Biden, 36 years in the Senate, and still no one likes him enough to vote for him.

Contrary to what you dumbfucks might say, Biden got more votes than Palin...

how many lies can two people tell in a night... or is that three in four days..
 
I have a question, about Joe Biden and U.S. Senators in general, do you think it's wise to support the transfer of U.S. Military Hardware to Pakistan? the same country that Barak Obama has on the record stated, "that as president he would order military action against terrorists in Pakistan" see washington post 08/2007. I pose this because Joe Biden along with Richard Lugar are the authors of a bill in the senate to do just that. Transfer and entire class of US Frigates to Pakistan. Now granted some are in the reserve fleet, but it still does not matter. These ships are still technically very capable ships and very deadly in the wrong hands.

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

It's a good question and a tough one. On one hand it signals that the US wants Pakistan's help in 'dealing with the terrorists', which I imagine would be helpful to the US Cause, but on the other they talk about incursions into Pakistan and selling them weapons at the same time. That definitely doesn't seem reasonable.

But that can be put aside because the bigger issue is why give them weapons in the first place? It's a complete waste of money to do that, and it was even more incorrect when Musharraf was in power. If the US really wants a long term solution to terrorism, it isn't weapons what they should invest on, but on education, health, and rural development in Pakistan. Giving away weapons does nothing but perpetuate violence and encourage rampant abuse of State power. And the volatile relation with India doesn't help matters, either.

So why arm them? If there's a possibility of military conflict, arming them sounds a tad masochistic. The military and the country certainl don't benefit, regular Pakistanis certainly don't benefit. The only ones to benefit are the weapons manufacturers.
 

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