Biden Signs Executive Order To End Private Prison Contracts

[Blues Man]

We never should have gone to for profit Prisons

So who's going to pay for the new prisons that will be needed?

we don't need to build more prisons

What we need is to stop throwing people in jail for nonviolent crimes.

That depends on the crime.
Drug dealers need to go to jail. They destroy families and lives just the same as a guy who shoots someone in an armed robbery.

IMO we should decriminalize the possession of small amounts of drugs.

 

[pknopp]

We never should have gone to for profit Prisons

So who's going to pay for the new prisons that will be needed?

we don't need to build more prisons

What we need is to stop throwing people in jail for nonviolent crimes.

That depends on the crime.
Drug dealers need to go to jail. They destroy families and lives just the same as a guy who shoots someone in an armed robbery.

IMO we should decriminalize the possession of small amounts of drugs.

The private prison system is one of the biggest roadblocks in getting this done.

 

[surada]

We never should have gone to for profit Prisons

So who's going to pay for the new prisons that will be needed?

Perhaps if we decriminalize things like weed possession and minor drug offenses; we won't be filling up prisons based on a profit motive instead of a public safety motive

When you say minor.
Are you talking about possessing a small amount or selling?

Small amount of possession, like someone with small amounts of meth or crack.......or maybe that soccer mom you want us to have empathy for because she is hooked on oxys.....oh wait, soccer moms don't get sent to prison.....

One of the main reason people go to prison is because they're repeat offenders.

Those who dont lead productive lives and are repeat offenders go to jail. A guy/girl with a job,family,home and are first time offenders rarely go to jail unless they're selling large quantities.

I'm all for giving first time offenders a break,those who continue to break the law deserve what they get.
Even soccer moms.

The issue is private prisons.

Their stocks got hammered during Trump's presidency.

Portfolio of Private Prison Stocks

 

[Correll]

I have seen it done to minority Conservatives, specifically dinesh d'souza.

Is this what you're referring to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza#:~:text=In%202014%2C%20D'Souza%20pleaded,probation%2C%20and%20a%20%2430%2C000%20fine.

"In 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one felony charge of using a 'straw donor' to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign.[13][14]

"He was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years' probation, and a $30,000 fine.[15][16]

"In 2018, D'Souza was issued a pardon by President Donald Trump."

Yes. They basically bullied him in to pleaing, in just the manner you described.

Just imagine if he didn't have the money to afford his own legal counsel...He would have really been screwed...

However, if he was poor; he probably wouldn't be involved in any campaign donation schemes.....so it balances out

He was screwed. Trump pardoned him. Money doesn't do much, against the Power of the State, when the Deep State decides you need to go down.

 

[Correll]

Chick filet is also an early investor in private prisons. See Wackenhut.

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So, what? Are you trying to imply there is something wrong with that? Are you saying that Biden is targeting them because he si a partisan asshole?

Are you just stupid?

How can you have prison reform if prisons are profit sources?

It is you that needs to support your assumption that someone making some money on the deal, means that there can be no reform.


You libs are so unused to real debate, that you cannot even understand your own arguments, well enough to state them.


YOu are confused, to any response other than craven agreement.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

We never should have gone to for profit Prisons

So who's going to pay for the new prisons that will be needed?

we don't need to build more prisons

What we need is to stop throwing people in jail for nonviolent crimes.

That depends on the crime.
Drug dealers need to go to jail. They destroy families and lives just the same as a guy who shoots someone in an armed robbery.

IMO we should decriminalize the possession of small amounts of drugs.

I'm not opposed to that.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I have seen it done to minority Conservatives, specifically dinesh d'souza.

Is this what you're referring to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza#:~:text=In%202014%2C%20D'Souza%20pleaded,probation%2C%20and%20a%20%2430%2C000%20fine.

"In 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one felony charge of using a 'straw donor' to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign.[13][14]

"He was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years' probation, and a $30,000 fine.[15][16]

"In 2018, D'Souza was issued a pardon by President Donald Trump."

Yes. They basically bullied him in to pleaing, in just the manner you described.

Just imagine if he didn't have the money to afford his own legal counsel...He would have really been screwed...

However, if he was poor; he probably wouldn't be involved in any campaign donation schemes.....so it balances out

He was screwed. Trump pardoned him. Money doesn't do much, against the Power of the State, when the Deep State decides you need to go down.

But no such "deep state" conspiracy applies to the hundreds of thousands of people, especially poor people of color when they ACTUALLY get rail roaded by the Justice system??

Why are you folks so eager to believe that the most privileged people are the victims to establishment power -- but those with the least amount of power; nah, those people had it coming...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I have seen it done to minority Conservatives, specifically dinesh d'souza.

Is this what you're referring to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza#:~:text=In%202014%2C%20D'Souza%20pleaded,probation%2C%20and%20a%20%2430%2C000%20fine.

"In 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one felony charge of using a 'straw donor' to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign.[13][14]

"He was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years' probation, and a $30,000 fine.[15][16]

"In 2018, D'Souza was issued a pardon by President Donald Trump."

Yes. They basically bullied him in to pleaing, in just the manner you described.

Just imagine if he didn't have the money to afford his own legal counsel...He would have really been screwed...

However, if he was poor; he probably wouldn't be involved in any campaign donation schemes.....so it balances out

He was screwed. Trump pardoned him. Money doesn't do much, against the Power of the State, when the Deep State decides you need to go down.

But no such "deep state" conspiracy applies to the hundreds of thousands of people, especially poor people of color when they ACTUALLY get rail roaded by the Justice system??

Why are you folks so eager to believe that the most privileged people are the victims to establishment power -- but those with the least amount of power; nah, those people had it coming...

Talk to Joe.
His crime bill really fucked over a lot of dark poor people.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The stockholders in private prison stocks do make a profit.

And the state doesn't make a profit. The state has no motive to spend more money
simply to put more people in jail.

Any proof of your Hobby Lobby and Chik-Fil-A claims, or do you admit you were wrong?

"The state has no motive to spend more money"

I'll remember this in the future....

You do that, Sparky!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

but agents of the state - judges, criminal prosecutors, legislators, anyone with the power to send more people to prison - often have a powerful incentive to collude with those who do profit.

You've discovered that there is a difference between the state and corrupt insiders.....excellent!

We're privatizing the things that should remain solely under government control (prisons, law enforcement, etc...)

Like food service inside prisons?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The stockholders in private prison stocks do make a profit.

And the state doesn't make a profit. The state has no motive to spend more money
simply to put more people in jail.

Any proof of your Hobby Lobby and Chik-Fil-A claims, or do you admit you were wrong?

Not the State.. Stockholders in private prison companies have to show a profit. Look them up and follow their stock prices.. although they took a dive during Trump's presidency..

Not the State.. Stockholders in private prison companies have to show a profit.

Yup.

Now, about your silly Hobby Lobby and Chik-Fil-A claims........

 

[surada]

The stockholders in private prison stocks do make a profit.

And the state doesn't make a profit. The state has no motive to spend more money
simply to put more people in jail.

Any proof of your Hobby Lobby and Chik-Fil-A claims, or do you admit you were wrong?

Not the State.. Stockholders in private prison companies have to show a profit. Look them up and follow their stock prices.. although they took a dive during Trump's presidency..

Not the State.. Stockholders in private prison companies have to show a profit.

Yup.

Now, about your silly Hobby Lobby and Chik-Fil-A claims........

Million Shares Club: 29 Major Private Prison Investors

There are 29 U.S.-based major financial investors that own over one million shares of CCA and GEO combined. The following companies each own over 1 million shares of CCA and GEO, and collectively o…

prisondivest.com

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I have seen it done to minority Conservatives, specifically dinesh d'souza.

Is this what you're referring to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza#:~:text=In%202014%2C%20D'Souza%20pleaded,probation%2C%20and%20a%20%2430%2C000%20fine.

"In 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one felony charge of using a 'straw donor' to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign.[13][14]

"He was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years' probation, and a $30,000 fine.[15][16]

"In 2018, D'Souza was issued a pardon by President Donald Trump."

Yes. They basically bullied him in to pleaing, in just the manner you described.

Just imagine if he didn't have the money to afford his own legal counsel...He would have really been screwed...

However, if he was poor; he probably wouldn't be involved in any campaign donation schemes.....so it balances out

He was screwed. Trump pardoned him. Money doesn't do much, against the Power of the State, when the Deep State decides you need to go down.

But no such "deep state" conspiracy applies to the hundreds of thousands of people, especially poor people of color when they ACTUALLY get rail roaded by the Justice system??

Why are you folks so eager to believe that the most privileged people are the victims to establishment power -- but those with the least amount of power; nah, those people had it coming...

Talk to Joe.
His crime bill really fucked over a lot of dark poor people.

Yea, I was really upset at how the Republicans and conservatives in general didn't even push back against that bill...it's almost like they wanted it...in fact.....they even cried that the bill didn't go far enough......

Glad they are on board now and want to do away with the tenets of that bad crime bill.....

So.....why is it that all of the complaining I am hearing about this E/O are coming from.......you guys?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I have seen it done to minority Conservatives, specifically dinesh d'souza.

Is this what you're referring to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza#:~:text=In%202014%2C%20D'Souza%20pleaded,probation%2C%20and%20a%20%2430%2C000%20fine.

"In 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one felony charge of using a 'straw donor' to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senate campaign.[13][14]

"He was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years' probation, and a $30,000 fine.[15][16]

"In 2018, D'Souza was issued a pardon by President Donald Trump."

Yes. They basically bullied him in to pleaing, in just the manner you described.

Just imagine if he didn't have the money to afford his own legal counsel...He would have really been screwed...

However, if he was poor; he probably wouldn't be involved in any campaign donation schemes.....so it balances out

He was screwed. Trump pardoned him. Money doesn't do much, against the Power of the State, when the Deep State decides you need to go down.

But no such "deep state" conspiracy applies to the hundreds of thousands of people, especially poor people of color when they ACTUALLY get rail roaded by the Justice system??

Why are you folks so eager to believe that the most privileged people are the victims to establishment power -- but those with the least amount of power; nah, those people had it coming...

Talk to Joe.
His crime bill really fucked over a lot of dark poor people.

Yea, I was really upset at how the Republicans and conservatives in general didn't even push back against that bill...it's almost like they wanted it...in fact.....they even cried that the bill didn't go far enough......

Glad they are on board now and want to do away with the tenets of that bad crime bill.....

So.....why is it that all of the complaining I am hearing about this E/O are coming from.......you guys?

Because dems have been releasing shit tons of dangerous criminals all in the name of covide.
Hell,some of them have called for closing all prisons.

 

[Dana7360]

The blue states are not going to like this....

Who cares?

This is a move long overdue. The Prison Industry should not be an industry.

There is no reason for blue states to not like this.

None of the state prisons in my state are private. All state prisons are public owned and operated by the state.

There are no federal prisons in my state.

So I don't see why my blue state would have a problem with it.

Below is the list of private federal prisons. As you can see 9 out of the 12 private federal prisons are in red states. It's also interesting that 9 out of the 12 private federal prisons are owned by the same company the GEO Group Inc.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Private prisons pay for all upkeep and any changes to their buildings and personnel.

Much cheaper than having the State Governments do it.

This can only apply to the feds, not state prisons.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The stockholders in private prison stocks do make a profit.

And the state doesn't make a profit. The state has no motive to spend more money
simply to put more people in jail.

Any proof of your Hobby Lobby and Chik-Fil-A claims, or do you admit you were wrong?

Not the State.. Stockholders in private prison companies have to show a profit. Look them up and follow their stock prices.. although they took a dive during Trump's presidency..

Not the State.. Stockholders in private prison companies have to show a profit.

Yup.

Now, about your silly Hobby Lobby and Chik-Fil-A claims........

Million Shares Club: 29 Major Private Prison Investors

There are 29 U.S.-based major financial investors that own over one million shares of CCA and GEO combined. The following companies each own over 1 million shares of CCA and GEO, and collectively o…

prisondivest.com

Thanks for the link.

Do you have one that shows Hobby Lobby or Chik-Fil-A?

Or were you lying?

 

[georgephillip]

When you cry wacism, you destroy your credibility.

When you pretend white supremacy hasn't shaped political reality in this country longer than you and I have been alive, your believability about credibility becomes suspect.

The gap between the number of blacks and whites in prison is shrinking

 

[Correll]

When you cry wacism, you destroy your credibility.

When you pretend white supremacy hasn't shaped political reality in this country longer than you and I have been alive, your believability about credibility becomes suspect.
,,,
The gap between the number of blacks and whites in prison is shrinking

There has been a bi-partisan consensus against ws, since before I was born. And I am not young.

For you to act as though ws is still the law of the land, or even a serious force at all,


is you demonstrating to all, that you should have zero credibility.


Real issues can be discussed seriously. When you start talking about ws, you choose to bog the debate down into nothing but name calling and hate mongering.

 

[georgephillip]

Linkie?

My claim about young males having more profit generating potential inside of prisons comes from Chris Hedges who's spent years teaching inside correctional facilities.

The Prison State of America

"Corporations have privatized most of the prison functions once handled by governments. They run prison commissaries and, since the prisoners have nowhere else to shop, often jack up prices by as much as 100 percent.

"Corporations have taken over the phone systems and charge exorbitant fees to prisoners and their families.

"They grossly overcharge for money transfers from families to prisoners.

"And these corporations, some of the nation’s largest, pay little more than a dollar a day to prison laborers who work in for-profit prison industries.

"Food and merchandise vendors, construction companies, laundry services, uniforms companies, prison equipment vendors, cafeteria services, manufacturers of pepper spray, body armor and the array of medieval instruments used for the physical control of prisoners, and a host of other contractors feed like jackals off prisons.

"Prisons, in America, are a hugely profitable business."