Faun
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Something equitable. Like a Russian incarcerated on a drug deal or other non-violent crime. Not an arms dealer serving a 25 year sentence for conspiring to kill Americans.
Biden Released Brittney Griner from Russian Prison
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Something equitable. Like a Russian incarcerated on a drug deal or other non-violent crime. Not an arms dealer serving a 25 year sentence for conspiring to kill Americans.
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According to you, they could still lead and arms deal from prison. "Effectively."
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Black, lesbian, and doper. That means she'd qualify for a position in Biden's cabinet, maybe Secretary of Sports or something.
You don't know why Whelan was arrested, but you do know why Griner was.
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Yes, she was
Anyone else would have been refused entry for a minor infraction
Cannibus oil is a mild pain suppressor
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And you would have been laughed at
We do not have a good relationship with Putin, it was impressive we got a deal at all
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Definitely was not a good trade. I can see some benefit getting her back as the punishment, certainly did not fit the crime, but I personally do not give a crap about Americans, traveling to foreign countries that do not have the same cannabis or cannabis oil regulations (even for medical) as enjoyed in parts (only parts) of this country, as what is acceptable in parts of this country, mean dick, when traveling to foreign countries, especially Russia. Americans need to also recognize, when traveling outside the country, many other countries are not as accepting of LGBTQ lifestyles as in this country, and this too may have been a factor in this snatch and show trial and trade event.
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C_Clayton_Jones
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Very good.He did it, he did it! That sleepy ole man finally did it.
He got Russia to release Brittney Griner from prison.
Amidst all these ongoing tensions.
WNBA star Brittney Griner released from Russian custody in a high-profile prisoner swap between the U.S. and Moscow
Griner was detained in February at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport after Russian authorities said they found vape canisters with cannabis oil in her luggage.www.nbcnews.com
Man, there's nothing that sleepy old man can't do!
Yoooooooo JOE!!!!
Well done, President Biden.
Frankenstein
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The man know as the merchant of death!
Well...glad to see any US citizen released from unjust imprisonment.
It amuses me to see so much of this story distorted and key pieces left out here..I guess to advance the narratives? My takeaways? Bout served 14 years and many, including his sentencing Judge, advocated for his release. He would have been released in less than 5 years anyway.
Paul Whelan is a work in progress--Russia was unwilling to do a 2 for 1 swap.
So....the Russian guy served well over a decade...Griner a few months--Appears to me justice was served..the whiners will whine..never thinking how very un-american it sounds...that they would cavil at an American being released. I'm sure that her ethnicity, sexual preference and race play no role in their hatred. Right?
All that culminated in a deal on Thursday.
Mr. Bout’s name had regularly surfaced in U.S.-Russian relations following his sentencing in 2012 to 25 years in prison for conspiring to sell weapons to people he believed represented Colombia’s FARC rebels, but were actually DEA agents.
Mr. Bout had been detained, initially in Thailand, since 2008. By 2022, however, he was on track for release within five years, and had secured support for his release as part of a trade from figures including the U.S. District Judge who sentenced him, Shira Scheindlin.
Ms. Scheindlin, who is now retired and works as a mediator and arbitrator, said in an interview earlier this year that she had long considered 25 years imprisonment to be excessive for a sting operation, and had regretted that it was the mandatory minimum she had to impose.
Not included is Paul Whelan, a former U.S. Marine and corporate security executive from Novi, Mich. who is 52 and has been held in Russia since late 2018. He was accused of spying, which he consistently denied, found guilty in June 2020 and sentenced to 16 years. He has served more than two years in a penal colony in Mordovia, the same region 350 miles southeast of Moscow where Ms. Griner had been sent.
Mr. Whelan’s fate became closely tied to Ms. Griner’s after an April exchange that freed Trevor Reed, another former U.S. Marine. Reed, who had been detained since 2019, was released in exchange for a Russian pilot, Konstantin Yaroshenko, who was serving a lengthy sentence in the U.S. for drug smuggling. After that, U.S. officials began referring to Mr. Whelan and Ms. Griner in the same breath.
In July, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken had openly pressed for both Griner and Whelan to be released as part of what he described as a “substantial proposal” in which people familiar with the offer said the U.S. would have freed Viktor Bout. Russia signaled in response that a two-for-one deal was unacceptable.
But the question of a second Russian candidate the Americans were willing to free and the Russians were interested in proved thorny. Amid increasing pressure to bring Ms. Griner home, U.S. officials said, a deal was reached that resulted in the decision to trade Ms. Griner and Mr. Bout.
It amuses me to see so much of this story distorted and key pieces left out here..I guess to advance the narratives? My takeaways? Bout served 14 years and many, including his sentencing Judge, advocated for his release. He would have been released in less than 5 years anyway.
Paul Whelan is a work in progress--Russia was unwilling to do a 2 for 1 swap.
So....the Russian guy served well over a decade...Griner a few months--Appears to me justice was served..the whiners will whine..never thinking how very un-american it sounds...that they would cavil at an American being released. I'm sure that her ethnicity, sexual preference and race play no role in their hatred. Right?
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All that culminated in a deal on Thursday.
Mr. Bout’s name had regularly surfaced in U.S.-Russian relations following his sentencing in 2012 to 25 years in prison for conspiring to sell weapons to people he believed represented Colombia’s FARC rebels, but were actually DEA agents.
Mr. Bout had been detained, initially in Thailand, since 2008. By 2022, however, he was on track for release within five years, and had secured support for his release as part of a trade from figures including the U.S. District Judge who sentenced him, Shira Scheindlin.
Ms. Scheindlin, who is now retired and works as a mediator and arbitrator, said in an interview earlier this year that she had long considered 25 years imprisonment to be excessive for a sting operation, and had regretted that it was the mandatory minimum she had to impose.
Not included is Paul Whelan, a former U.S. Marine and corporate security executive from Novi, Mich. who is 52 and has been held in Russia since late 2018. He was accused of spying, which he consistently denied, found guilty in June 2020 and sentenced to 16 years. He has served more than two years in a penal colony in Mordovia, the same region 350 miles southeast of Moscow where Ms. Griner had been sent.
Mr. Whelan’s fate became closely tied to Ms. Griner’s after an April exchange that freed Trevor Reed, another former U.S. Marine. Reed, who had been detained since 2019, was released in exchange for a Russian pilot, Konstantin Yaroshenko, who was serving a lengthy sentence in the U.S. for drug smuggling. After that, U.S. officials began referring to Mr. Whelan and Ms. Griner in the same breath.
In July, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken had openly pressed for both Griner and Whelan to be released as part of what he described as a “substantial proposal” in which people familiar with the offer said the U.S. would have freed Viktor Bout. Russia signaled in response that a two-for-one deal was unacceptable.
But the question of a second Russian candidate the Americans were willing to free and the Russians were interested in proved thorny. Amid increasing pressure to bring Ms. Griner home, U.S. officials said, a deal was reached that resulted in the decision to trade Ms. Griner and Mr. Bout.
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You can't be ******* serious?
"Minor infraction" means that she DID commit the offense and thus she WAS NOT "wrongly accused".
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The Mosins were awesome rifles. Even a vodka-swilling, ham-fisted Russian peasant woman could pick one up off the battlefield and dispatch a few Nazis, if she could figure out how to work the safety on the bolt.
I had a pristine '43 dated M38 carbine up until I sold it at a gun show. Wish I'd kept that one.
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Biden is a moronHe did it, he did it! That sleepy ole man finally did it.
He got Russia to release Brittney Griner from prison.
Amidst all these ongoing tensions.
WNBA star Brittney Griner released from Russian custody in a high-profile prisoner swap between the U.S. and Moscow
Griner was detained in February at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport after Russian authorities said they found vape canisters with cannabis oil in her luggage.
Man, there's nothing that sleepy old man can't do!
Yoooooooo JOE!!!!
He got an America-hating dope smoking lesbian free but left a US Marine behind
/——/ Dementia Joe gives Purim’s arms dealer back, and you dance in the street with glee. It ducks to be you.He did it, he did it! That sleepy ole man finally did it.
He got Russia to release Brittney Griner from prison.
Amidst all these ongoing tensions.
WNBA star Brittney Griner released from Russian custody in a high-profile prisoner swap between the U.S. and Moscow
Griner was detained in February at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport after Russian authorities said they found vape canisters with cannabis oil in her luggage.
Man, there's nothing that sleepy old man can't do!
Yoooooooo JOE!!!!
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You are a friggin nut, brought back an america hater in trade for a man most likely responsible for the death of Americans. Not to mention there is a former marine who has been there for 4 yrs on false charges of espionage, Biden is a disgrace, and so are those who voted for the old Pedophile.
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Nobody is as ignorant as your statement.
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Kooks love them some kooks.
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She had a prescription for what she brought. It was not to party with but to deal with pain.
Stop being such a prick
He served 14 years and was due for release in another 4. He was not convicted, or even charged with 'conspiring to kill Americans'...he did an arms deal with DEA agents in a sting operation.
Just sayin' know the facts...before jerkin' that knee~
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No deal would have been better than a bad deal.
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