Biden Just Introduced The Uke President Zelensky As Putin!

[Toddsterpatriot]

They certainly are when it's to cover up another crime.

Right. If there was another crime, you might have a point.

 

[Faun]

Because it's a fake charge.

Except it's not. It was a real charge resulting in a unanimous guilty verdict. Trump really did conspire with Cohen to pay off porn stars for their silence about affairs with Trump. That really was a crime as evidenced by Cohen being convicted and incarcerated of making an illegal campaign contribution, among other crimes. That was the illegal means of §17.152. So the underlying crime of §175.10 is met. And the main part of §175.10 was proven in court since it was proven that Cohen didn't provide any legal services during the period Trump's business records recorded the reimbursement checks were issued and recorded as "legal services."

Guilty as charged.

But don't worry, the Supreme Court might have just handed Trump a 'get of of jail' card.

 

[Faun]

That's a misdemeanor. Influencing an election isn't a crime, let alone a felony.

A misdemeanor is still a crime.

 

[Faun]

Right. If there was another crime, you might have a point.

Post #122 exemplifies the crime.

 

[MagicMike]

Why? They went for a felony conviction instead of a misdemeanor charge.

Because the guy is a criminal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Except it's not. It was a real charge resulting in a unanimous guilty verdict. Trump really did conspire with Cohen to pay off porn stars for their silence about affairs with Trump. That really was a crime as evidenced by Cohen being convicted and incarcerated of making an illegal campaign contribution, among other crimes. That was the illegal means of §17.152. So the underlying crime of §175.10 is met. And the main part of §175.10 was proven in court since it was proven that Cohen didn't provide any legal services during the period Trump's business records recorded the reimbursement checks were issued and recorded as "legal services."

Guilty as charged.

But don't worry, the Supreme Court might have just handed Trump a 'get of of jail' card.

Except it's not.

Except it is.

Trump really did conspire with Cohen to pay off porn stars for their silence about affairs with Trump.

conspiracy:
when 2 or more persons join together and form an agreement to violate the law, and then act on that agreement.

Paying off a porn star isn't a crime. Neither is influencing an election.

Cohen being convicted and incarcerated of making an illegal campaign contribution,

Paying off a porn star isn't a campaign contribution.

And the main part of §175.10 was proven in court since it was proven that Cohen didn't provide any legal services during the period Trump's business records recorded the reimbursement checks were issued and recorded as "legal services."

Misdemeanor.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A misdemeanor is still a crime.

Yup. A misdemeanor is a misdemeanor.

 

[Faun]

conspiracy:
when 2 or more persons join together and form an agreement to violate the law, and then act on that agreement.

Paying off a porn star isn't a crime. Neither is influencing an election.

Utter bullshit.

Cohen, a lawyer at that time, went to jail for it. So yes, it was a crime.

And in court, the prosecution presented audio evidence of Trump and Cohen conspiring how to make the payments. The payments which were a campaign finance violation.

And yes, it most certainly was to influence the election since clearly, 2 porn stars talking about affairs would hurt Trump's campaign.

Now the better question is -- why do you feel so compelled to fluff Trump??

 

[Faun]

Yup. A misdemeanor is a misdemeanor.

And is a crime. Which is all §175.10 required for an underlying crime. It didn't require a felony, just a crime.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Utter bullshit.

Cohen, a lawyer at that time, went to jail for it. So yes, it was a crime.

And in court, the prosecution presented audio evidence of Trump and Cohen conspiring how to make the payments. The payments which were a campaign finance violation.

And yes, it most certainly was to influence the election since clearly, 2 porn stars talking about affairs would hurt Trump's campaign.

Now the better question is -- why do you feel so compelled to fluff Trump??

Cohen, a lawyer at that time, went to jail for it.

For tax fraud. I think he hid $4 million in income.

And in court, the prosecution presented audio evidence of Trump and Cohen conspiring how to make the payments. The payments which were a campaign finance violation.

Did the audio evidence show they were discussing hiding campaign contributions?

And yes, it most certainly was to influence the election since clearly, 2 porn stars talking about affairs would hurt Trump's campaign.

Hiding negative information isn't illegal.
Influencing an election isn't illegal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And is a crime. Which is all §175.10 required for an underlying crime. It didn't require a felony, just a crime.

Yes, a misdemeanor is a crime.

Which is all §175.10 required for an underlying crime.

Right. A misdemeanor. To further something that isn't a crime.

 

[Frankenstein]

You ask a question here based upon a spurious assumption, that convicted felon Trump "won't be sentenced."
How have you come to this assumption?
Who told you this misinformation?
He has a new sentencing date on which yes, he will probably be sentenced.

Again with the fake news assumptions.
IF his conviction is magically overturned, which it is highly unlikely it will be since committing election fraud by paying off hookers to illegally influence an election is not in any way part of a POTUS' "official duties," that still wouldn't mean the whole thing was a "scam."
It would just mean that convicted felon Trump has the SCOTUS in his back pocket and that a couple SCOTUS judges who SHOULD have recused themselves from the immunity case altogether for conflicts of interest, stayed on and issued a terrible ruling.
Yet the evidence is still there.
There is zero doubt that convicted felon Trump DID commit these crimes, which is why an unbiased jury of convicted felon Trump's peers pronounced him GUILTY on all 34 counts.
Nothing will ever change that.

Got it, you didn't, and won't get your actual conviction, so slander the supreme court and Donald Trump!

 

[Faun]

Cohen, a lawyer at that time, went to jail for it.

For tax fraud. I think he hid $4 million in income.

As I said, he went to jail for campaign finance violations, among other crimes. Tax fraud was one of those "other crimes." Still, campaign finance violations were among the crimes landing him in jail.

And in court, the prosecution presented audio evidence of Trump and Cohen conspiring how to make the payments. The payments which were a campaign finance violation.

Did the audio evidence show they were discussing hiding campaign contributions?

Hiding the payments wasn't needed for § 17-152. Only had to prove they conspired to make the payments, which were criminal.

And yes, it most certainly was to influence the election since clearly, 2 porn stars talking about affairs would hurt Trump's campaign.

Hiding negative information isn't illegal.
Influencing an election isn't illegal.

As you've been shown, it is illegal in NY if the influence on the election is done by unlawful means. We know they employed unlawful means because Cohen went to prison for it, among other unrelated crimes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As I said, he went to jail for campaign finance violations, among other crimes. Tax fraud was one of those "other crimes." Still, campaign finance violations were among the crimes landing him in jail.



Hiding the payments wasn't needed for § 17-152. Only had to prove they conspired to make the payments, which were criminal.



As you've been shown, it is illegal in NY if the influence on the election is done by unlawful means. We know they employed unlawful means because Cohen went to prison for it, among other unrelated crimes.

Tax fraud was one of those "other crimes."

It was a real crime. They tacked on the fake contribution one at the end.

Hiding the payments wasn't needed for § 17-152.

Hiding payments was a misdemeanor. Influencing an election isn't a crime at all.

Only had to prove they conspired to make the payments, which were criminal.
when 2 or more persons join together and form an agreement to violate the law, and then act on that agreement.

Which law did they agree to violate?

As you've been shown, it is illegal in NY if the influence on the election is done by unlawful means.

It's illegal to do something by unlawful means? DURR.
What's the punishment for doing something that's legal?

 

[Faun]

Tax fraud was one of those "other crimes."

It was a real crime. They tacked on the fake contribution one at the end.

He went to jail for it, among other crimes. Pretty funny you think a lawyer would plead guilty over a fake charge.

Hiding the payments wasn't needed for § 17-152.

Hiding payments was a misdemeanor. Influencing an election isn't a crime at all.

Hiding payments becomes a felony when the purpose is to hide a crime. The underlying crime was absolutely a crime, adjudicated in court. You look silly denying that.

Only had to prove they conspired to make the payments, which were criminal.
when 2 or more persons join together and form an agreement to violate the law, and then act on that agreement.

Which law did they agree to violate?

52 U.S.C. § 30116

As you've been shown, it is illegal in NY if the influence on the election is done by unlawful means.

It's illegal to do something by unlawful means? DURR.
What's the punishment for doing something that's legal?

Irrelevant. It was proven in court they employed unlawful means to influence the election.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He went to jail for it, among other crimes. Pretty funny you think a lawyer would plead guilty over a fake charge.



Hiding payments becomes a felony when the purpose is to hide a crime. The underlying crime was absolutely a crime, adjudicated in court. You look silly denying that.



52 U.S.C. § 30116



Irrelevant. It was proven in court they employed unlawful means to influence the election.

Pretty funny you think a lawyer would plead guilty over a fake charge.

Michael, they'll knock 6 months off your sentence if you also plead guilty to this fake crime.

Hiding payments becomes a felony when the purpose is to hide a crime.

Yes. Hiding payments to have someone killed, felony.
Hiding payments to do something perfectly legal, influence an election, not a crime.

52 U.S.C. § 30116

Where was the evidence they agreed to violate that law?

It was proven in court they employed unlawful means to influence the election.

"Unlawful means" is a crime, a misdemeanor in this case, influencing an election isn't.

If you rob a bank and use the money to buy a campaign ad, are those two crimes?

 

[Faun]

Pretty funny you think a lawyer would plead guilty over a fake charge.

Michael, they'll knock 6 months off your sentence if you also plead guilty to this fake crime.

Who knows from which cereal box you found your law degree, but making a campaign contribution in excess of the legal limit ($2,700 at that time) is very much a crime. That's what he was caught doing, for which he pled guilty.

But how sad for you that your position is so untenable, you have to make up shit to prop it up. At any rate, thanks for that concession.

Hiding payments becomes a felony when the purpose is to hide a crime.

Yes. Hiding payments to have someone killed, felony.
Hiding payments to do something perfectly legal, influence an election, not a crime.

It's not legal to contribute $280,000 to a olitical campaign when the law limits that amount to $2,700. That was the unlawful means to influence an election which fulfilled § 17.152.

52 U.S.C. § 30116

Where was the evidence they agreed to violate that law?

The audio tape where they conspired to make the illegal payments.

It was proven in court they employed unlawful means to influence the election.

"Unlawful means" is a crime, a misdemeanor in this case, influencing an election isn't.

As we already agreed, a misdemeanor is a crime. Again, that satisfied NY § 17.152.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who knows from which cereal box you found your law degree, but making a campaign contribution in excess of the legal limit ($2,700 at that time) is very much a crime. That's what he was caught doing, for which he pled guilty.

But how sad for you that your position is so untenable, you have to make up shit to prop it up. At any rate, thanks for that concession.



It's not legal to contribute $280,000 to a olitical campaign when the law limits that amount to $2,700. That was the unlawful means to influence an election which fulfilled § 17.152.



The audio tape where they conspired to make the illegal payments.



As we already agreed, a misdemeanor is a crime. Again, that satisfied NY § 17.152.

but making a campaign contribution in excess of the legal limit ($2,700 at that time) is very much a crime.

Yes! If that's what he actually did, he should get a big fine.

It's not legal to contribute $280,000 to a olitical campaign when the law limits that amount to $2,700. That was the unlawful means to influence an election which fulfilled § 17.152.

If a violation of the FECA was really an issue, the FEC would have done something about it.

The audio tape where they conspired to make the illegal payments.

Which audiotape showed they conspired to violate contribution limits?

As we already agreed, a misdemeanor is a crime. Again, that satisfied NY § 17.152.

Misdemeanor to commit a legal action. Wow!

 

[Faun]

but making a campaign contribution in excess of the legal limit ($2,700 at that time) is very much a crime.

Yes! If that's what he actually did, he should get a big fine.

The maximum penalty is 5 years in prison.

It's not legal to contribute $280,000 to a olitical campaign when the law limits that amount to $2,700. That was the unlawful means to influence an election which fulfilled § 17.152.

If a violation of the FECA was really an issue, the FEC would have done something about it.

The FEC said their reason for not going after him was because the DoJ was.

The audio tape where they conspired to make the illegal payments.

Which audiotape showed they conspired to violate contribution limits?

The one played in court for the jury

As we already agreed, a misdemeanor is a crime. Again, that satisfied NY § 17.152.

Misdemeanor to commit a legal action. Wow!

LOL

No, the misdemeanor to commit an unlawful act to influence an election.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The maximum penalty is 5 years in prison.



The FEC said their reason for not going after him was because the DoJ was.



The one played in court for the jury



LOL

No, the misdemeanor to commit an unlawful act to influence an election.

The maximum penalty is 5 years in prison.

Sounds serious! When did he and Trump conspire to do that?

The FEC said their reason for not going after him was because the DoJ was.

The DOJ didn't, did they?

The one played in court for the jury

Where's the transcript?

No, the misdemeanor to commit an unlawful act to influence an election.

Right, a misdemeanor to cover up a perfectly legal NDA.
A legal NDA to legally influence an election.