Biden Handed Republicans A Shovel And They Just Can’t Stop Digging

[Oldestyle]

Oh, you have mistaken my post, good poster Oldestyle. I said nothing about parents being "upset". I was intending to convey that 'upset' parents must not threaten bodily harm to an elected school board member or the Board itself. To do so.....breaks the law. I am sure you recognize the utility of protecting our elected officials from threats and/or harm. And their children too. No?
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Oh they were being challenged, all right. So stipulated.

However, in some controversial incidences those 'challenges' came accompanied by threats of bodily harm to an elected school board member, or to the Board as a whole. It's the threats that are the problem, poster Oldstyle. NOT that parents are upset. NOT that parents challenge the Board.

Just don't challenge with threats of harm....to the member, to the Board, to their children.

Seems to be a pragmatic view with great utility for the safe functioning of our democratic society... led, as it is, by officials who are elected by the people. IMHO

You do realize the difference between speech and physical action...right? People say things when they are outraged. That doesn't mean they're going to do them. Who involves the FBI when a parent verbally threatens to harm someone who is harming their child? It would be bad enough if the local authorities were involved but at least THEY would know the people involved and if the threats were credible! Bringing in the FBI over speech? Seriously? It's like hitting a fly with a sledgehammer.
This was nothing more than an intimidation tactic used by liberal educators to cow parents. You know that THEY knew it was over the top because they hid what they were doing! The only reason it was made public was because of whistleblowers in the FBI who found it outrageous.

 

[Chillicothe]

"You do realize the difference between speech and physical action...right? People say things when they are outraged. That doesn't mean they're going to do them.
....... THEY knew it was over the top because they hid what they were doing! The only reason it was made public was because of whistleblowers in the FBI who found it outrageous."

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Ummm, yes. And nope,

1. Threatening a publicly elected official is illegal.

2. The issue with threats and the intent to carry 'em out?.....Well, how does the potential victim know that? What is real? What is huffin''n'puffin'? They usually can't. And the fear can be palpable if the threat of violence is against one's own family, the official's spouse or children.

3. The DOJ's efforts were not secret. The AG put out a press release detailing what they were doing and why they were doing it. (see below)

4. I'm confident that as responsible American citizens all of us here can understand why offering our publicly elected officials law enforcement protection against violent partisan threats is useful in encouraging good people to contribute to our governance. An atmosphere of fear for one's safety, or one's family's safety, is a disincentive to contribute to American governance....in the present or the future.

5. I'm also confident that the responsible poster Oldestyle understands the utility and benefit to society of all of that.
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DOJ Press Release:

"Justice Department Addresses Violent Threats Against School Officials and Teachers​

Citing an increase in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school board members, teachers and workers in our nation’s public schools, today Attorney General Merrick B. Garland directed the FBI and U.S. Attorneys’ Offices to meet in the next 30 days with federal, state, Tribal, territorial and local law enforcement leaders to discuss strategies for addressing this disturbing trend.

“Threats against public servants are not only illegal, they run counter to our nation’s core values,” wrote Attorney General Garland. “Those who dedicate their time and energy to ensuring that our children receive a proper education in a safe environment deserve to be able to do their work without fear for their safety.”

According to the Attorney General’s memorandum, the Justice Department will launch a series of additional efforts in the coming days designed to address the rise in criminal conduct directed toward school personnel. ........ to determine how federal enforcement tools can be used to prosecute these crimes, and ways to assist state, Tribal, territorial and local law enforcement where threats of violence may not constitute federal crimes.

The Justice Department will also create specialized training and guidance for local school boards and school administrators. This training will help school board members and other potential victims understand the type of behavior that constitutes threats, how to report threatening conduct to the appropriate law enforcement agencies, and how to capture and preserve evidence of threatening conduct to aid in the investigation and prosecution of these crimes."

(emphasis in bold by my avatar)​

 

[Oldestyle]

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Ummm, yes. And nope,

1. Threatening a publicly elected official is illegal.

2. The issue with threats and the intent to carry 'em out?.....Well, how does the potential victim know that? What is real? What is huffin''n'puffin'? They usually can't. And the fear can be palpable if the threat of violence is against one's own family, the official's spouse or children.

3. The DOJ's efforts were not secret. The AG put out a press release detailing what they were doing and why they were doing it. (see below)

4. I'm confident that as responsible American citizens all of us here can understand why offering our publicly elected officials law enforcement protection against violent partisan threats is useful in encouraging good people to contribute to our governance. An atmosphere of fear for one's safety, or one's family's safety, is a disincentive to contribute to American governance....in the present or the future.

5. I'm also confident that the responsible poster Oldestyle understands the utility and benefit to society of all of that.
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DOJ Press Release:

"Justice Department Addresses Violent Threats Against School Officials and Teachers​

Citing an increase in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school board members, teachers and workers in our nation’s public schools, today Attorney General Merrick B. Garland directed the FBI and U.S. Attorneys’ Offices to meet in the next 30 days with federal, state, Tribal, territorial and local law enforcement leaders to discuss strategies for addressing this disturbing trend.

“Threats against public servants are not only illegal, they run counter to our nation’s core values,” wrote Attorney General Garland. “Those who dedicate their time and energy to ensuring that our children receive a proper education in a safe environment deserve to be able to do their work without fear for their safety.”

According to the Attorney General’s memorandum, the Justice Department will launch a series of additional efforts in the coming days designed to address the rise in criminal conduct directed toward school personnel. ........ to determine how federal enforcement tools can be used to prosecute these crimes, and ways to assist state, Tribal, territorial and local law enforcement where threats of violence may not constitute federal crimes.

The Justice Department will also create specialized training and guidance for local school boards and school administrators. This training will help school board members and other potential victims understand the type of behavior that constitutes threats, how to report threatening conduct to the appropriate law enforcement agencies, and how to capture and preserve evidence of threatening conduct to aid in the investigation and prosecution of these crimes."

(emphasis in bold by my avatar)​

What good poster Oldstyle "understands" is that liberal school boards responded to valid criticisms from angry parents by running to their allies in the teacher's unions and the Biden Administration's DOJ in an attempt to bully those parents into silence! Rather than address the anger that they were faced with...liberal school boards decided that THEY were the ultimate authorities on what would be taught in schools and that parents could go pound sand because those liberals "knew best"! What those liberal school board members didn't see coming was the wave of conservatives that were prompted to run for school boards BECAUSE of their "screw you" stand and the losses that they would take all across the country politically! Conservatives weren't paying attention to education before Covid. They just assumed that teachers were teaching writing, reading and math in school. They learned that wasn't the case when they were stuck at home with Covid...watched what teachers taught looking over their kid's shoulders and were appalled at what they saw.

 

[Nostra]

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Ummm, yes. And nope,

1. Threatening a publicly elected official is illegal.

How about Supreme Court Justices? Where is Garland?

 

[Chillicothe]

the wave of conservatives that were prompted to run for school boards

OK then, so now there are so-called 'conservative' School Board members, duly elected. Good, hope they do a good and responsible job.

But, what should we do....what should society do.......if those earnest 'conservative' Board members start to get threatening phone calls at home that detail how they and their children will be shot, run-over, drowned, or burnt out?

What should be done, poster Oldestyle?

 

[Oldestyle]

How about Supreme Court Justices? Where is Garland?

Liberals threaten elected conservative officials all the time but that's seen as "acceptable"! But when conservatives even deign to challenge elected liberal officials they're labeled as "domestic terrorists"!

 

[Chillicothe]

Liberals threaten elected conservative officials all the time but that's seen as "acceptable"! But when conservatives even deign to challenge elected liberal officials they're labeled as "domestic terrorists"!

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That snowflakery stuff.....sure is an issue with some RW partisans.
Just when we thought 'conservatives' were as tough as they posture.

Fooled us, eh?

 

[Oldestyle]

OK then, so now there are so-called 'conservative' School Board members, duly elected. Good, hope they do a good and responsible job.

But, what should we do....what should society do.......if those earnest 'conservative' Board members start to get threatening phone calls at home that detail how they and their children will be shot, run-over, drowned, or burnt out?

What should be done, poster Oldestyle?

"If" that happens? Well, gee whiz, Chilly! Conservatives have been shot during a Congressional baseball practice. A conservative Supreme Court judge had a liberal go to his home to kill him. Pro life clinics across the country have been fire bombed and defaced with threatening graffiti. Liberal protesters burn cities...loot private businesses and assault the Police across the nation...

But you're worried about what MIGHT happen to liberals?

 

[Nostra]

Liberals threaten elected conservative officials all the time but that's seen as "acceptable"! But when conservatives even deign to challenge elected liberal officials they're labeled as "domestic terrorists"!

Just ask mom's who go to school board meetings.

 

[Chillicothe]

Just ask mom's who go to school board meetings.

......and maybe scream at the Board members that they'll pay a price in blood, or some similar nutjob dire-ness?

 

[Nostra]

How about Supreme Court Justices? Where is Garland?

:crickets: from Chillicothe

 

[Oldestyle]

......and maybe scream at the Board members that they'll pay a price in blood, or some similar nutjob dire-ness?

God knows parents shouldn't get upset at school board members who don't give a crap that they're giving children a shoddy education because they're so busy trying to indoctrinate them into a proper liberal mind set! (eye roll)

 

[Dagosa]

Since Tuesday’s State of the Union, President Joe Biden has had Republicans on the ropes over Social Security and Medicare, and he’s not backing down. After his resounding State of the Union victory, Biden took his win on the road to Florida and Wisconsin. Those happen to be the home states of the senators with the most radical proposals for killing off the programs.

Oddly, those senators—Rick Scott (FL) and Ron Johnson (WI)—decided to just keep digging. They lent a shovel to Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) over the weekend, who went on CNN Sunday to tell Jake Tapper that he looks at Social Security like defense spending, something that should be “managed” every year by Congress.

Biden handed the GOP a shovel, and they just can't stop digging

Since Tuesday’s State of the Union, President Joe Biden has had Republicans on the ropes over Social Security and Medicare, and he’s not backing down. After his resounding State of the Union victory, Biden took his win on the road to Florida and...

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The only thing that’s going to get managed is the Presidents plan to expand the programs, and make those losers billionaire donors pay for it.

The sad part about it is, the surplus that SS and Medicare has buys treasury bonds. That money then goes into the general fund. Guess who is one of the beneficiary of these monies. Right, the military. It’s the dirty little book keeping that allow dedicated payroll taxes to somehow pay for military spending et al.

 

[JamesE]

Since Tuesday’s State of the Union, President Joe Biden has had Republicans on the ropes over Social Security and Medicare, and he’s not backing down. After his resounding State of the Union victory, Biden took his win on the road to Florida and Wisconsin. Those happen to be the home states of the senators with the most radical proposals for killing off the programs.

Oddly, those senators—Rick Scott (FL) and Ron Johnson (WI)—decided to just keep digging. They lent a shovel to Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) over the weekend, who went on CNN Sunday to tell Jake Tapper that he looks at Social Security like defense spending, something that should be “managed” every year by Congress.

Biden handed the GOP a shovel, and they just can't stop digging

Since Tuesday’s State of the Union, President Joe Biden has had Republicans on the ropes over Social Security and Medicare, and he’s not backing down. After his resounding State of the Union victory, Biden took his win on the road to Florida and...

m.dailykos.com

The only thing that’s going to get managed is the Presidents plan to expand the programs, and make those losers billionaire donors pay for it.

Holy crap, another response to bring down the IQ average of humans.

 

[Ringo]