Biden Had Classified Documents in His Garage

[mak2]

No.
Do you actually think Trump was the first President to have classified documents????
Not even close.
It has always been that way. Always.
But not VPs.
There is no reason for them to have the documents because they have ZERO powers. ZERO.
Unless directly appointed by the President, a Vice President has the power of a placemat within the executive branch.

Prove it. More right wing talking points.

 

[struth]

The documents were discovered after he was president.

a few months later they contact him saying not everything was sent back…which is understandable in a move…he started cooperating right away…including sending 15 boxes

Xiden hide his for 6 years ans never had any business having them in their locations

 

[Superbadbrutha]

agreed there wasn’t a raid yet. obviously the raid on trump’s home was stalinist tactic











xiden stole these docs and hide them for 6 years only to get snitched on by a person cleaning his office











but not surprised to come see you running to defend your plantation boss


Actually that is what you are doing, you hypocritical, boot licking, Trump Humper. I said they both should be held accountable, fools like you think your Orange God is above the Law.

 

[struth]

if xiden were black he’d have his home raided…but he’s a rich white demklansman…not surprised some of the plantation boys are here defending him

Superbadbrutha

 

[Superbadbrutha]

if xiden were black he’d have his home raided…but he’s a rich white demklansman…not surprised some of the plantation boys are here defending him































































Superbadbrutha































How am I defending him when I said he should be held accountable. The only person defending someone is the booticking Aunt Jane, oh btw Trump is a rich white m as well so your theory stupid as hell.

 

[Fueri]

Fact or fiction? Can't tell any more with the shit-show of a government we have at this point.

DOJ Indicts Trump For Biden’s Possession Of Classified Documents

WASHINGTON, DC — After multiple caches of highly classified government documents were found in different locations belonging to President Joe Biden, the United States Department of Justice acted swiftly to indict former President Donald Trump for the alleged crime.

babylonbee.com

 

[struth]

Superbadbrutha you really need to learn how to use the quote function.

You defend him by comparing his behavior to others.

 

[2aguy]

This is so stupidly simplistic. It is a process. If the POTUS declares a document unclassified or proclaims it or whatever you are saying he can do, maybe wave his hand, that does not only effect that Subj: but also anything else on that document referenced on that document. That is why when you see an unclassified document (done appropriately. not by declaration of a cult leader) you still see redactions. It has to go through channels to protect other classified information. So even if Trump did declare something not classified, there is still a process.

Wrong......the bureaucrats have to deal with it, but once the President declassifies something, that is it....it is done....they may have to play catch up and go down the food chain....but the information on that document is no longer classified and can be viewed by anyone.

 

[2aguy]

When did you guys make this up? Had not heard that one.

All Ex-Presidents have SCIFs in their residences......they all get them and they all keep their top secret security clearances as well...

 

[2aguy]

Objectively neither should have classified documents that are not properly secured or handled. Vice Presidents necessarily have access to classified material. Both are facts.

Not when they leave office....the moment he was no longer Vice President, he no longer had access to those documents...he committed felonies by having those documents.

 

[mak2]

All Ex-Presidents have SCIFs in their residences......they all get them and they all keep their top secret security clearances as well...

And Trump had his documents in the SCIF? Hey, maybe Biden's SCIF has a corvette in it.

 

[2aguy]

This is so stupidly simplistic. It is a process. If the POTUS declares a document unclassified or proclaims it or whatever you are saying he can do, maybe wave his hand, that does not only effect that Subj: but also anything else on that document referenced on that document. That is why when you see an unclassified document (done appropriately. not by declaration of a cult leader) you still see redactions. It has to go through channels to protect other classified information. So even if Trump did declare something not classified, there is still a process.

This explains it....

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president.

The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."
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Turner noted, however, that this isn’t necessarily a big distinction, since the president is ultimately the decider of what is classified and not. If his appointees disagree with his actions, "he can overrule their decisions," Turner said. "Within the Executive Branch the president is the boss."


PolitiFact - Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?

 

[mak2]

Not when they leave office....the moment he was no longer Vice President, he no longer had access to those documents...he committed felonies by having those documents.

I am not sure about raising one's hand and declaring things not secret, maybe Biden, since he is the current POTUS, made things retroactively unclassified. Have you guys made up a rule about if the documents being declassified have to be generated during his term? This is crazy, Trump can't make things declassified by magic, or if he can, so can Biden. If Trump has a SCIF in Mar Largo, Biden has one at home too. This is sillyville.

 

[2aguy]

I am not sure about raising one's hand and declaring things not secret, maybe Biden, since he is the current POTUS, made things retroactively unclassified. Have you guys made up a rule about if the documents being declassified have to be generated during his term? This is crazy, Trump can't make things declassified by magic, or if he can, so can Biden. If Trump has a SCIF in Mar Largo, Biden has one at home too. This is sillyville.

Biden can't go back and declassify things he stole. Trump, with a word, could.

 

[2aguy]

I am not sure about raising one's hand and declaring things not secret, maybe Biden, since he is the current POTUS, made things retroactively unclassified. Have you guys made up a rule about if the documents being declassified have to be generated during his term? This is crazy, Trump can't make things declassified by magic, or if he can, so can Biden. If Trump has a SCIF in Mar Largo, Biden has one at home too. This is sillyville.

Biden didn't have a SCIF when he stole those above Top Secret documents....

 

[Kilroy2]

Wrong……..the President doesnt have to notify anyone and can simply state they are declassified and he can even hand them to someone and that act makes them declassified…..the President is not bound by any other authority when it comes to declassifying anything…he has the total and sole power to do it on his own….

WRONG

Presidential executive orders, once issued, remain in force until they are canceled, revoked, adjudicated unlawful, or expire on their terms. At any time, the president may revoke, modify or make exceptions from any executive order, whether the order was made by the current president or a predecessor.. So unless Trump or you can provide where they rescinded Obama's EO then Trump has to abide by it or change it. Since he didn't change it , then he has to abide by it.

 

[Kilroy2]

Biden can't go back and declassify things he stole. Trump, with a word, could.

So your saying that Trump could go back and declassify thing he stole

 

[excalibur]

Wrong the EO does not automatically declassify documents when POTUS takes them out of the White House. That makes no sense whatsoever. The president has to send a memo to the originating entity that initiated the classification as stated in the EO. If the white house did the classification in the first place then yes they can declassify on their own initiative. Otherwise the initiating entity must be notified. They can agree or disagree. The white house can declassify there own documents if they are the ones who placed the original classification. This is not the case as the classified documents are originated by another entity and not the president. The EO clearly states that the president must sent a memorandum to the originating agency that he wants to declassify. They have an opportunity to disagree and present there reasons.

If Trump did this then where are the notifications. There are none. He is just lying to save his butt. The EO was to have a plan concerning this issue of classification and declassification of government secrets. Maybe there was issues with people in the past because there was no plan.

Obama story has been debunked. Your quoting a story that was put on Facebook from a story from PJ Media.
The story headline, as it appears in the Facebook post, said "Letter reveals Obama Foundation is keeping classified docs in abandoned furniture warehouse." The story was later corrected. How convenient is that?

"Correction," the headline now says. "NARA kept classified docs in a furniture warehouse, not the Obama Foundation."

Even Trump made statements that Obama took home many classified documents and tried to make it sound that what he did was what others did
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the National Archives and Records Administration issued a statement saying it has "assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act. hmmm should we believe what Trump says as he wasn't there or what the national archives has said.

POTUS doesn't have to notify anyone. Period.

Øbama had classified documents stored in an unsecured warehouse and the Obama Foundation paid the Archive in 2018 to remove and transfer those documents to safer storage. The letter indicating that is at Øbama's website which is linked in the below tweet.

 

[excalibur]

Each document they found is a felony against joe biden.

Fact. As a former VPOTUS he [Biden] had no right to their possession as he had no classification authority and is covered under FRA not PRA.

The PRA anticipates a former POTUS having classified documents and there is no criminal part of that. The former POTUS and his people are to negotiate with the Archive for their turnover and Trump and his people were engaged in ongoing negotiations (had already turned over some documents in fact when Garland went all paramilitary).

This tells me that Garland knew about Biden's illegal possession of classified documents at the time of the MAL raid to lessen the impact of the release of that information. IOW he pulled the MAL stunt for future use to protect Biden.

 

[struth]

the difference is massive. Trump hide nothing…some items may have been at mar largo due to him having a SCIF, some got mixed with his personal items…the NA reached out directly he worked directly with them…the DOJ only got involved because they asked to be involved…he rejected xiden’s stalinist tactics, said he had personal stuff..and challenged stuff in court…this all happened and played out within a year of him leaving office…then of course xiden used it as. a pretext to raid his political rivals offices

xiden hide things for 6 years..including hiding stuff in folders he labeled personal. None of this had any business at the VP’s house let alone garage or think tanks office…and what he took covered very specific things and countries….clearly xiden is dirty