QUOTE="Weatherman2020, post: 14980710, member: 42929"]
Are you talking Titus, whose right hand man was a jew, an Alexander? Let us remember Judea and Israel was in a civil war since the Maccabees, till the destruction of the Temple. Zealot Jews killed non zealot jews, burnt down stores of food, so as to make the docile of the jews and Samaritans want to fight the Romans.
Jews set fire to their own city, Titus wanted a peaceful resolution but that did not happen. Josephus and the Alexander's (the rich elite jews or should I say pro Romans ) in Alexandria, Egypt pushed for Vespasian to be Emperor. Jews destroyed their own Judea and temple. Peace or rebellion, they chose Jesus Barabbas to be set free, not the peaceful Jesus the Messiah.
Jew as in ethnic bloodline. Not a religion.[/QUOTE]
Well today even if a jew is atheist they are still considered a jew. Jew is not a bloodline. A Judean use to be anyone from Judea. Just like American, we have Jews, Christians, French, Muslims, Arabs, Catholics, Japanese, and if they live here and are citizens they are called American.
Today jews fight over who is a jew, just like Christians fight over who is a real Christian.
Its funny how jewish history and stories love to leave him out of the story, and blame it all on Rome.
Back to the NT.[/QUOTE]
You are mixing faith and blood linage. And Herrord, Titus, Pilot etc where Jews of blood linage but not of faith. And we know about them because Jews handed down their history.[/QUOTE]
Jewish society was obsessed with genealogies in that era, and some sects still are. Some of the offices of priesthood and Temple positions depended on inheritance and genealogical qualifications. Half of Joachim Jeremiah's historical study,
Jerusalem in the Time of Jesus, is devoted to Jewish purity laws and its importance to social status and qualifications for various offices and 'acceptable' businesses and trades for the various social strata. It was a very detailed social order.[/QUOTE]
Really, except when your hard up for men hey.
Idumea or Edom in Hebrew was the region south of Judea originally inhabited by the reputed descendents of Jacob's brother Esau.
Edom was periodically subjected to Judea (under
David &
Solomon [10th c. BCE] & the
Maccabees [2nd c. BCE]). Homeland of the house of Herod. There were no natural boundaries between Idumea & Judea, so the borders were always in flux. The distinction between Edomites & Jews was blurred by Johanan Hyrcanus' forced conversion of Idumea to
Judaism [ca. 130 BCE]. During the 1st c. CE pressure by the Arab Nabateans pushed the territory of the Edomites to within 15 miles of
Jerusalem. The region was bounded by the city state of
Gaza on the west and the
Dead Sea on the east. Herod's wilderness fortress of
Masada that served as the final base of Jewish resistance to
Roman rule lay within its borders. After 70 CE Idumea was detached from Judea until it was captured by modern
Israel in the
Six-Day War [1967].
Idumea/Edom | Jewish Virtual Library[/QUOTE]
So what does that have to do with what I said? Apparently you have some belief it does, so lay it out
You said they were puritans in the day of Jesus , 1st century, that is not true. You had some zealots, but are zealots puritans, no I don't think so. Now the essences seem to be a sect that were very pious, and lived away from Jerusalem. The others wanted to fight, and they even killed other Jews and burned food shelters to get the people riles up enough to fight the Romans. They hated the Greeks. Some loved the Greeks and Romans, but not the zealots. There was much infighting going on, they pretty much destroyed themselves as Rome would not tolerate a trade route and area full of zealots and infighting. Rome was very lenient on others religion till it interfered with peace.
