Beyond Red vs. Blue: The Political Typology

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I found this to be interesting, and in the main, true to my experiences, that the divisions within the parties matter, and that neither party is monolithic. This is long read...but there are a lot of lil' nuggets of info--so where do you fit in?



Partisan polarization remains the dominant, seemingly unalterable condition of American politics. Republicans and Democrats agree on very little – and when they do, it often is in the shared belief that they have little in common.

Chart shows the 2021 political typology

Yet the gulf that separates Republicans and Democrats sometimes obscures the divisions and diversity of views that exist within both partisan coalitions – and the fact that many Americans do not fit easily into either one.
Republicans are divided on some principles long associated with the GOP: an affinity for businesses and corporations, support for low taxes and opposition to abortion. Democrats face substantial internal differences as well – some that are long-standing, such as on the importance of religion in society, others more recent. For example, while Democrats widely share the goal of combating racial inequality in the United States, they differ on whether systemic change is required to achieve that goal.
These intraparty disagreements present multiple challenges for both parties: They complicate the already difficult task of governing in a divided nation. In addition, to succeed politically, the parties must maintain the loyalty of highly politically engaged, more ideological voters, while also attracting support among less engaged voters – many of them younger – with weaker partisan ties.

The four Republican-oriented groups include three groups of conservatives:
Faith and Flag Conservatives are intensely conservative in all realms; they are far more likely than all other typology groups to say government policies should support religious values and that compromise in politics is just “selling out on what you believe in.” Committed Conservatives also express conservative views across the board, but with a somewhat softer edge, particularly on issues of immigration and America’s place in the world. Populist Right, who have less formal education than most other typology groups and are among the most likely to live in rural areas, are highly critical of both immigrants and major U.S. corporations.
Ambivalent Right, the youngest and least conservative GOP-aligned group, hold conservative views about the size of government, the economic system and issues of race and gender. But they are the only group on the political right in which majorities favor legal abortion and say marijuana should be legal for recreational and medical use. They are also distinct in their views about Donald Trump – while a majority voted for him in 2020, most say they would prefer he not continue to be a major political figure.
The only typology group without a clear partisan orientation – Stressed Sideliners – also is the group with the lowest level of political engagement. Stressed Sideliners, who make up 15% of the public but constituted just 10% of voters in 2020, have a mix of conservative and liberal views but are largely defined by their minimal interest in politics

They include two very different groups of liberal Democrats: Progressive Left and Establishment Liberals. Progressive Left, the only majority White, non-Hispanic group of Democrats, have very liberal views on virtually every issue and support far-reaching changes to address racial injustice and expand the social safety net. Establishment Liberals, while just as liberal in many ways as Progressive Left, are far less persuaded of the need for sweeping change.
Two other Democratic-aligned groups could not be more different from each other, both demographically and in their relationship to the party.
Democratic Mainstays, the largest Democratic-oriented group, as well as the oldest on average, are unshakeable Democratic loyalists and have a moderate tilt on some issues. Outsider Left, the youngest typology group, voted overwhelmingly for Joe Biden a year ago and are very liberal in most of their views, but they are deeply frustrated with the political system – including the Democratic Party and its leaders.
 
I found this to be interesting, and in the main, true to my experiences, that the divisions within the parties matter, and that neither party is monolithic. This is long read...but there are a lot of lil' nuggets of info--so where do you fit in?



Partisan polarization remains the dominant, seemingly unalterable condition of American politics. Republicans and Democrats agree on very little – and when they do, it often is in the shared belief that they have little in common.

Chart shows the 2021 political typology

Yet the gulf that separates Republicans and Democrats sometimes obscures the divisions and diversity of views that exist within both partisan coalitions – and the fact that many Americans do not fit easily into either one.
Republicans are divided on some principles long associated with the GOP: an affinity for businesses and corporations, support for low taxes and opposition to abortion. Democrats face substantial internal differences as well – some that are long-standing, such as on the importance of religion in society, others more recent. For example, while Democrats widely share the goal of combating racial inequality in the United States, they differ on whether systemic change is required to achieve that goal.
These intraparty disagreements present multiple challenges for both parties: They complicate the already difficult task of governing in a divided nation. In addition, to succeed politically, the parties must maintain the loyalty of highly politically engaged, more ideological voters, while also attracting support among less engaged voters – many of them younger – with weaker partisan ties.

The four Republican-oriented groups include three groups of conservatives:
Faith and Flag Conservatives are intensely conservative in all realms; they are far more likely than all other typology groups to say government policies should support religious values and that compromise in politics is just “selling out on what you believe in.” Committed Conservatives also express conservative views across the board, but with a somewhat softer edge, particularly on issues of immigration and America’s place in the world. Populist Right, who have less formal education than most other typology groups and are among the most likely to live in rural areas, are highly critical of both immigrants and major U.S. corporations.
Ambivalent Right, the youngest and least conservative GOP-aligned group, hold conservative views about the size of government, the economic system and issues of race and gender. But they are the only group on the political right in which majorities favor legal abortion and say marijuana should be legal for recreational and medical use. They are also distinct in their views about Donald Trump – while a majority voted for him in 2020, most say they would prefer he not continue to be a major political figure.
The only typology group without a clear partisan orientation – Stressed Sideliners – also is the group with the lowest level of political engagement. Stressed Sideliners, who make up 15% of the public but constituted just 10% of voters in 2020, have a mix of conservative and liberal views but are largely defined by their minimal interest in politics

They include two very different groups of liberal Democrats: Progressive Left and Establishment Liberals. Progressive Left, the only majority White, non-Hispanic group of Democrats, have very liberal views on virtually every issue and support far-reaching changes to address racial injustice and expand the social safety net. Establishment Liberals, while just as liberal in many ways as Progressive Left, are far less persuaded of the need for sweeping change.
Two other Democratic-aligned groups could not be more different from each other, both demographically and in their relationship to the party.
Democratic Mainstays, the largest Democratic-oriented group, as well as the oldest on average, are unshakeable Democratic loyalists and have a moderate tilt on some issues. Outsider Left, the youngest typology group, voted overwhelmingly for Joe Biden a year ago and are very liberal in most of their views, but they are deeply frustrated with the political system – including the Democratic Party and its leaders.
Im starting to lean towards straight up anarchy. How bad can it be compared to what's happening these days?
 
I think the divisions were always there.

It just took Facebook and Twitter to bring the divisions to the forefront.
I agree..also, it took social media to empower the divisions. In the past, the majority, traditional partisans held sway..while opposing views were dismissed..and those holding said views were courted at election time..and ignored otherwise.

This was always especially seen in the treatment of what Pew calls "the Populist Right'. Every candidate courted them..and then screwed them over.
Trump was a big F-U not only to the Left..but also to the party regulars--that dismissed them for so long.
 
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I think the divisions were always there.

It just took Facebook and Twitter to bring the divisions to the forefront.
Sort of always there, ever since about 1775 onward. ...
"Facebook and Twitter" only bring to the forefront of those whom either had no USA History courses during K-12 or slept through such.
Some of us have been aware of such for decades, fossils that we are ...
 
Im starting to lean towards straight up anarchy. How bad can it be compared to what's happening these days?
For a start calling 911 will get no benefit~result.

Better hope you have medical knowledge and skills to tend your own medical needs/emergency since EMT (Emergency Medical Team) will not be coming to your assist;

... and also best be armed and ready to use to protect yourself and family~loved ones/neighbors, etc. ... since the LEO (Law Enforcement Officer(s)) will not be coming to protect you and others.

I find most anarchy supporters tend to be several brain cells short of a full functional deck of gray matter.
 
Sort of always there, ever since about 1775 onward. ...
"Facebook and Twitter" only bring to the forefront of those whom either had no USA History courses during K-12 or slept through such.
Some of us have been aware of such for decades, fossils that we are ...
Yeah..But the Whiskey Rebellion don't mean what it once did...now it's three disability check recipiants decrying the 'Deep State' over a half-gallon of Evan Williams~

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Very bad indeed. It's the Civil Service that holds this country together..in the absence of competent governance~
The only thing the Civil Service holds together is perpetuate of their employment until retirement and further gouging of the taxpayers.

For the most part the Civil Service fills employment slots, collects paychecks and benefits, keeps a low profile and assures their employment until they can retire. The "Civil Service" for the most part could care less about the future and direction of this Nation other than to assure their retirement income and benefits.
 
The only thing the Civil Service holds together is perpetuate of their employment until retirement and further gouging of the taxpayers.

For the most part the Civil Service fills employment slots, collects paychecks and benefits, keeps a low profile and assures their employment until they can retire. The "Civil Service" for the most part could care less about the future and direction of this Nation other than to assure their retirement income and benefits.
You say these things as though they're bad,,when in fact..it is that very self-centered inertia that provides vital stability in the body public. That they couldn't care less about the future and direction of the nation is all to the good..as they become hard for most factions to use for any length of time. Their loyalty to their retirement is predicated on there being a stable country to retire in. So they do their jobs.
That's why so many hate them, as they see that inertia as an impediment to their goals~
 
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I agree..also, it took social media to empower the divisions. In the past, the majority, traditional partisans held sway..while opposing views were dismissed..and those holding said views were courted at election time..and ignored otherwise.

This was always especially seen in the treatment of what Pew calls "the Populist Right'. Every candidate courted them..and then screwed them over.
Trump was a big F-U not only to the Left..but also to the party regulars--that dismissed them for so long.
Would seem you either never had much comprehensive USA history education during you K-12+ time, or slept through such, or failed it ...

The divisions were always there, and the "media" of the times would empower such, to those whom availed themselves of said medias.

About 240+ years ago this Nation started out divided in approximate thirds, one third supporting rule by the Crown of England telling them what to do (how high to jump); one third opposed to such and in rebellion~ War of Independence; and a third undecided and willing to go with which ever might dominate them.

It's been that way largely ever since, even when we seemingly were divided on the issue of slavery with a Northern "half" opposed and a Southern "half" supporting such. [BTW, see Article I; Section 9. of USA Constitution to see that this Nation did not start out in united support of slavery, contrary to the mis-information of Critical Race Theory/CRT hogwash.]

Also, there's been extensive treatment, support , and courting of the "Populist Left" at many times in this Nation (as well as the "populist Right), especially with the FDR years of the 1930's onward. Both sides might "play" their bases, but both sides try to conform to and support their bases since any election is the foundation of the next re-election.
 
Yeah..But the Whiskey Rebellion don't mean what it once did...now it's three disability check recipiants decrying the 'Deep State' over a half-gallon of Evan Williams~

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The "Deep Sate"; or "Deep State"; are your career "Civil Servants" more concerned with keeping their jobs and benefits and getting their taxpayer funded retirement than with doing anything for the "Good of the Nation".
 
The "Deep Sate"; or "Deep State"; are your career "Civil Servants" more concerned with keeping their jobs and benefits and getting their taxpayer funded retirement than with doing anything for the "Good of the Nation".
Indeed, and if I somehow was not clear..I see that as a good thing..and I see the 'Deep State' as a boogieman designed to make tools out of fools~
 
Would seem you either never had much comprehensive USA history education during you K-12+ time, or slept through such, or failed it

The divisions were always there, and the "media" of the times would empower such, to those whom availed themselves of said medias.

About 240+ years ago this Nation started out divided in approximate thirds, one third supporting rule by the Crown of England telling them what to do (how high to jump); one third opposed to such and in rebellion~ War of Independence; and a third undecided and willing to go with which ever might dominate them.

It's been that way largely ever since, even when we seemingly were divided on the issue of slavery with a Northern "half" opposed and a Southern "half" supporting such. [BTW, see Article I; Section 9. of USA Constitution to see that this Nation did not start out in united support of slavery, contrary to the mis-information of Critical Race Theory/CRT hogwash.]

Also, there's been extensive treatment, support , and courting of the "Populist Left" at many times in this Nation (as well as the "populist Right), especially with the FDR years of the 1930's onward. Both sides might "play" their bases, but both sides try to conform to and support their bases since any election is the foundation of the next re-election.
Thanks for the spellcheck. Edited~ You should save your snark for when you really need it.

As for the rest of your screed..the last para is cogent, however I think you see it as a neat and reasoned process...when it's not really. Those who call the shots in our party system give lip service to the extremists--but the proof is in the pudding.
Also, I think CRT does not mean what you think it does.

The rest is facile BS...thanks for playing~
 
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Indeed, and if I somehow was not clear..I see that as a good thing..and I see the 'Deep State' as a boogieman designed to make tools out of fools~
More correct would be that the "Deep State" is filled with fools trying to present as tools. Most would be unemployable in the "for profit" economic sector.
 
You say these things as though they're bad,,when in fact..it is that very self-centered inertia that provides vital stability in the body public. That they couldn't care less about the future and direction of the nation is all to the good..as they become hard for most factions to use for any length of time. Their loyalty to their retirement is predicated on there being a stable country to retire in. So they do their jobs.
That's why so many hate them, as they see that inertia as an impediment to their goals~
Has more to do with "Civil Service" employing three persons for what could be done with one person in the private sector. Driving up our Nation's Deficit and Debt;
Also, failing to achieve their goal and be done with it. Over time the purpose of all agencies and depts. seems to be perpetuate their existence rather than accomplish their purpose of being created, and then dis-solve.
 

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