Bernie Sanders to introduce the dishonestly-named "Medicare for All" this week

[Mac1958]

Just read Bernie's "Medicare For All" plan that he'll be introducing this week.

I like Bernie in general, but I have to remember that he's a politician, so I'm not surprised that he's lying about the plan to make it more palatable for the masses. I guess he figures he can get away with being dishonest because most people don't actually know how Medicare works.

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Maybe the plan would look more like what I want than his plan by the time it made it through the process. Here's hoping.

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind

Here's how Medicare ACTUALLY works, in less than three minutes:


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[Votto]

Just read Bernie's "Medicare For All" plan that he'll be introducing this week.

I like Bernie in general, but I have to remember that he's a politician, so I'm not surprised that he's lying about the plan to make it more palatable for the masses. I guess he figures he can get away with being dishonest because most people don't actually know how Medicare works.

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Maybe the plan would look more like what I want than his plan by the time it made it through the process. Here's hoping.

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind


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It worked for Nazi Germany, why not us?

 

[Mac1958]

Just read Bernie's "Medicare For All" plan that he'll be introducing this week.

I like Bernie in general, but I have to remember that he's a politician, so I'm not surprised that he's lying about the plan to make it more palatable for the masses. I guess he figures he can get away with being dishonest because most people don't actually know how Medicare works.

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Maybe the plan would look more like what I want than his plan by the time it made it through the process. Here's hoping.

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind


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It worked for Nazi Germany, why not us?

Holy crap, a Nazi reference first thing.

Maybe we can calm down and have a normal conversation here.
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[Votto]

Just read Bernie's "Medicare For All" plan that he'll be introducing this week.

I like Bernie in general, but I have to remember that he's a politician, so I'm not surprised that he's lying about the plan to make it more palatable for the masses. I guess he figures he can get away with being dishonest because most people don't actually know how Medicare works.

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Maybe the plan would look more like what I want than his plan by the time it made it through the process. Here's hoping.

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind


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It worked for Nazi Germany, why not us?

Holy crap, a Nazi reference first thing.

Maybe we can calm down and have a normal conversation here.
.

Why is Nazi such a bad word?

It's like the term liberal and socialist, those words got ruined as well, probably because the term Nazi is derived from socialist.

Soon they will have to find another name other than Progressive as well.

Sad.

 

[Mac1958]

Just read Bernie's "Medicare For All" plan that he'll be introducing this week.

I like Bernie in general, but I have to remember that he's a politician, so I'm not surprised that he's lying about the plan to make it more palatable for the masses. I guess he figures he can get away with being dishonest because most people don't actually know how Medicare works.

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Maybe the plan would look more like what I want than his plan by the time it made it through the process. Here's hoping.

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind


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It worked for Nazi Germany, why not us?

Holy crap, a Nazi reference first thing.

Maybe we can calm down and have a normal conversation here.
.

Why is Nazi such a bad word?

It's like the term liberal and socialist, those words got ruined as well, probably because the term Nazi is derived from socialist.

Soon they will have to find another name other than Progressive as well.

Sad.

Well, I'd rather avoid insulting the memories of millions who suffered in the 40's by using the term as a political Frisbee™.

Now, I wonder how many here understand the difference between true Single Payer and actual Medicare for All.

I did provide a quick video there.
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[CrusaderFrank]

Government continues to drives up the cost of healthcare, so Bernie tells us we need more government.

And thats how Progressives destroyed Venezuela in under 2 decades

 

[JoeB131]

It worked for Nazi Germany, why not us?

Germany had universal health care before the Nazis came to power, and they continued it after the Nazis left.

In fact, the rest of the world has already figured this out. Single payer or universal health care.

 

[gipper]

Just read Bernie's "Medicare For All" plan that he'll be introducing this week.

I like Bernie in general, but I have to remember that he's a politician, so I'm not surprised that he's lying about the plan to make it more palatable for the masses. I guess he figures he can get away with being dishonest because most people don't actually know how Medicare works.

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Maybe the plan would look more like what I want than his plan by the time it made it through the process. Here's hoping.

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind

Here's how Medicare ACTUALLY works, in less than three minutes:


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Why not?

Just print the money. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Political Junky]

Government continues to drives up the cost of healthcare, so Bernie tells us we need more government.

My God, that's such a lie. Private insurance has driven health costs up.

 

[gipper]

Government continues to drives up the cost of healthcare, so Bernie tells us we need more government.

My God, that's such a lie. Private insurance has driven health costs up.

Damn. To think the government hasn't caused prices to rise, has to be the dumbest thing ever.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Just read Bernie's "Medicare For All" plan that he'll be introducing this week.

I like Bernie in general, but I have to remember that he's a politician, so I'm not surprised that he's lying about the plan to make it more palatable for the masses. I guess he figures he can get away with being dishonest because most people don't actually know how Medicare works.

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Maybe the plan would look more like what I want than his plan by the time it made it through the process. Here's hoping.

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind


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It worked for Nazi Germany, why not us?

Holy crap, a Nazi reference first thing.

Maybe we can calm down and have a normal conversation here.
.

Why is Nazi such a bad word?

It's like the term liberal and socialist, those words got ruined as well, probably because the term Nazi is derived from socialist.

Soon they will have to find another name other than Progressive as well.

Sad.

Only Communists like Bernie and those who give a crap what he thinks are sllowed to use the N word.

 

[JoeB131]

Government continues to drives up the cost of healthcare, so Bernie tells us we need more government.
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Your argument would have merit if other countries that have single payer also saw exploding health care costs.

Here's a chart that tracks Health Care spending as a Percentage of GDP. Most of the countries started out at the same place. But while all the "socialist" countries kept their spending below 11%, ours exploded to 18%.

Of course, health care is going to continue to rise for two reasons. 1) Our population is getting demographically older, requiring more treatment and 2) there are more and more new technologies being introduced every year.

 

[Mac1958]

Just read Bernie's "Medicare For All" plan that he'll be introducing this week.

I like Bernie in general, but I have to remember that he's a politician, so I'm not surprised that he's lying about the plan to make it more palatable for the masses. I guess he figures he can get away with being dishonest because most people don't actually know how Medicare works.

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Maybe the plan would look more like what I want than his plan by the time it made it through the process. Here's hoping.

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind

Here's how Medicare ACTUALLY works, in less than three minutes:


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Why not?

Just print the money. What could possibly go wrong?

I'm still hopeful that most Dem legislators know better, and that we'll end up with more of what I'm looking for.

The amount of negative evidence that the Single Payer types have to overlook/ignore tells me they're either lying or (more likely) just looking at this from the standard simplistic, shallow partisan perspective.

Single Payer has indeed been better in some ways, but they have to pretend that there's no way to improve on it. They're willing to pretend, because they're not honest.

Once an issue becomes politicized, it's fucked.
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[Political Junky]

Government continues to drives up the cost of healthcare, so Bernie tells us we need more government.

My God, that's such a lie. Private insurance has driven health costs up.

Damn. To think the government hasn't caused prices to rise, has to be the dumbest thing ever.

Who do you think pays CEOs of health insurance companies $hundreds of million a year, each?

 

[August West]

Government continues to drives up the cost of healthcare, so Bernie tells us we need more government.

My God, that's such a lie. Private insurance has driven health costs up.

Damn. To think the government hasn't caused prices to rise, has to be the dumbest thing ever.

Who is footing the bill for trillions spent on pharmaceutical ads? It`s not the govt. that`s running these mind numbing commercials.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Only Communists like Bernie and those who give a crap what he thinks are sllowed to use the N word.

Lol, Sanders is not a communist.

Can you be serious for once?

 

[JoeB131]

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

That's Awesome.

Hey, part of the reason why those other countries are beating the pants off of us is because they aren't running health care through business. Single payer makes Germany and Japan more competitive.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

yeah, you see I want defensive measures taken to keep doctors from cutting off the wrong leg. 96,000 Americans die every year because of mistakes made by health care professionals. And the CBO has calculated that even if you get the most radical tort reform, it wouldn't reduce costs.

New study shows that the savings from 'tort reform' are mythical

The notion has lived on despite copious evidence that that the so-called defensive medicine practiced by doctors merely to stave off lawsuits accounts for, at best, 2% to 3% of U.S. healthcare costs. As for "frivolous lawsuits," they're a problem that exists mostly in the minds of conservatives and the medical establishment.

Tort reform has seldom been about reducing healthcare spending. For Republicans, it's about de-funding a bloc of reliable Democratic Party supporters -- trial lawyers.

That's why the suppression of malpractice lawsuits has remained part of Republican and conservative orthodoxy despite the evidence that its impact on healthcare spending would be minimal. Even in conservative healthcare pundit Avik Roy's supposedly objective proposed alternative to the Affordable Care Act (which we examined here), malpractice "reform" retains its pride of place. ​

Moving right along.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Dude, Insurance companies aren't the solution! THEY ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM!!!! Anyone who says, "you know what we need in health care, more insurance companies" is a moron who has never had to fight with an insurance company to get a procedure or treatment your doctors says you need, but your insurance company won't pay for AFTER they've collected your money.

A large reason why we got ACA with all of its flaws is because of the bad behavior of the insurance companies, such as "redaction" (finding something in your medical records to prove your current condition was "pre-existing".

 

[JimBowie1958]

Who is footing the bill for trillions spent on pharmaceutical ads? It`s not the govt. that`s running these mind numbing commercials.

Generics dont have that issue and are also expensive.

Besides that, other medical costs are going up as well, in part it is simply because more people can get care now and also because of regulatory burdens imposed by the government.

We need to simplify the record keeping digitally, have each person carry a copy of their medical records on a chip, like your credit cards have, and then you just scan it when you go to a doctor.

Then negotiate lower pharmaceutical p[rices between the government and pharmaceutical companies.

 

[JoeB131]

Who is footing the bill for trillions spent on pharmaceutical ads? It`s not the govt. that`s running these mind numbing commercials.

 

[JimBowie1958]

We need a two tier health care provider system.

Open Medicare up to everyone based on their ability to pay and set it 10% the lowest comparable plan in a state health care exchange. %The poor would pay nothing but everyone can get it if they are willing to pay for it.

Leave private health care insurance alone.

Remove state limits to health care insurance competition.

Give the state health care exchanges more time to let the competition reduce the price of the insurance by subsidizing them for a few years on a tapering loss compensation pay out.