And just how long have the Jews and the Jesus freaks been selling the god nonsense? 3000 years?
I don't know, but I'm not trying to sell you anything, so don't try to sell me anything. See how that works?
You...I believe it was you...asked for some proof about evolution. I maintain that if evolution is true that most if not all of the god references in the bibles go bye bye.
There are a handful of folks that believe that evolution can be true independent of whether a god exists or not. From what I can tell you are not among that group. You seem to believe that god made man in his image of course independent of all other life on this planet.
As far as "selling" you anything I am not sure what you mean. I am "selling" the idea that telling and passing on lies is wrong and therefor evil IMHO.
Since there is no factual supporting evidence that god exists I maintain that god as understood by most organized religion is a bald faced lie.
It is a lie to suggest that believing in a god causes no one harm.. That is clearly a lie as shown by the clerk that won't sign marriage licences for the homos. Now I suppose you will run with THAT saying I am a homo lover..and I quote the homos or some nonsense. Fact is that the homos ARE human beings and the clerk is causing them harm. At least she was until she got her dumb religious ass arrested.
You asked for proof about the evolution and against my common sensibilities I did a quick search and provided some pretty good, easy to digest 411.
AND did you offer any factual evidence that god exists? No..you just started crying about my thumbnail offering.
I'm beginning to think you are not capable of playing a straight game. You just WANT there to be a god and that's that. What YOU are selling is your own personal need that there be a god. I have no such need so I guess it's NO SALE.
While you only appear to be here to shout how you don't believe in a God at all so you can criticize the beliefs of others. While in turn when other issues happen people like you deny that you are targeting those same beliefs with progressive issues. Then you wonder why the liberals support for any specific candidate is being shredded at the seams? It's because your far left beliefs are dissuading the moderates from supporting them.
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You have been on this MB for about 5 minutes and you just show up and "know my beliefs"?
In this vague and hate filled post it is you that has shown YOUR agenda which has NOTHING to do with me.
Here is a heads up for you Sparky. I have never voted democrat in the 66 years I've been on this earth.
As a typical RWer you ASSUME you know everything and actually you only know what you are told to know by people(The Kochs) that don't give a rat's ass about you. If you had done any research on MY posts you would know that I have never praised Hillary or Obama. I have defended the OFFICE of the presidency as I believe every American should. Disrespect for the highest office on the planet is ignorant as it only makes us as Americans appear that we don't want to stand up for our country in the eyes of others, the terrorist types, that gain boldness believing that we are soft and stupid.
I am an old school republican as far as political leanings. Eisenhower was the last republican president that wasn't a glorified used car salesman or an actor. I am embarrassed to admit that I voted for Bush's daddy and young George and look where that got us. Herbert Walker invaded Iraq under false premise but at least he had the sense to pull out before he had destroyed the whole country. Dumb ass "W" driven by the most evil Americans ever close to the oval office in Cheney and Rove damn near bankrupted the country and invaded two countries based on lies. So I will NEVER ..I repeat NEVER vote for a republican president again. That doesn't mean I lean left. It means that republicans have become vile and crazy demigods with stupid religious agendas and will take our country to war with hardly a scrap of an honest reason.
But you don't want to hear a voice of reason do you. You have already made up your mind ..or better put ..someone is using you and has made up your mind for you. You think you know who is a liberal and based on this non existent proof go off running at the mouth about how this person or that person is a "lefty" or a "liberal". You REALLY don't have a clue what you are talking about. Lucky you that the internet is a safe place to hide. Where I live you would have swallowed most of your teeth by now because that's what happens to a-holes that tell lies on others.
Have a good day.
Hi
HUGGY What about
God meaning the Forces of Life.
Do we really need to prove that "Life" exists, or can we just agree what we are talking about as real?
God meaning the Forces or laws of NATURE
Do we really need to prove that Nature exists, or can we just agree we are talking about something real?
God meaning collective truth or energy/matter in the UNIVERSE
Do we need to prove that the Universe exists, or can assume or agree that we
mean the same thing when we REFER to the UNIVERSE
Do you get my point?
isn't the issue really that
* we don't agree that these terms can refer to the same source of life
or
* we don't agree on how the RULES of Nature, Life or the Universe work
or
* we don't agree if we can reconcile on common truths GIVEN the differences we have
Whatever we call God/Life/Nature/Universal laws, this thing we call the default reality
is what it is. What we don't agree on is (1) which terms are better to use: secular or religious,
left or right approaches, focus on individual or collective (2) what is the nature of the process
or systems of life and humanity, are they geared toward good or destruction (3) and whether
or not people and groups CAN work out issues given these differences, which affects whether
we TRY to resolve issues or we "give up" and resort to bullying by exclusion or coercion to FORCE our way.
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Some people are teaching that Good overcomes evil,
that it is better to make peace and include all people in a universal good will and higher goals for humanity,
and that having FAITH we can achieve this allows us to achieve it.
Others are teaching NO you cannot have any of these people teaching religions, because these are "wrong and cannot be corrected" (or are too much trouble to correct and need to be tossed out).
NO these CANNOT be at peace, and we need to change "that other group" to solve the problem
"and since that group WON'T change then the alternative is to force them and fight them down."
When all groups project blame "at the other one" then there is nothing but conflict,
competition and fighting to force the OTHER person/group to change.
This causes endless division, conflict, war, abuse and cycles of oppression and destruction.
Isn't THAT the problem.
It's not a matter if you believe in a personified God or not.
What matter is if you believe the NATURE of the world and of humanity
is headed for good, or is bounded for self-destruction that cannot be corrected.
If you have FAITH that the path in life is toward GOOD, then you would seek to establish this GOOD.
If you don't have faith that people can reconcile and anything good can come
of these differences and conflicts, HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO ACHIEVE ANYTHING GOOD.
Can you see THAT is the issue of faith.
Not do you believe in a personified God,
but WHAT do you believe is the point, nature and purpose
of life and the workings in the universe, including humanity?
These beliefs if life is good or not,
do NOT require believing in a personified God.
That is NOT the point.
The point is what do we believe about life
and how does that affect how we treat each other
and act in this world.
