Being Liberal Makes You a Fascist

[Uncensored2008]

You didn't accuse Wilson of being an internationalist?

I stated as a matter of established fact that Wilson was a Fabian, an internationalist.

As Goebbels said, in large part concurring with you:

While National Socialism brought about a new version and formulation of European culture, Bolshevism is the declaration of war by Jewish-led international subhumans against culture itself.

It is not only anti-bourgeois, it is anti-cultural. It means, in the final consequence, the absolute destruction of all economic, social, state, cultural, and civilizing advances made by western civilization for the benefit of a rootless and nomadic international clique of conspirators, who have found their representation in Jewry.

Goebbels claims Jews will destroy culture

Get the message?

(No, not that message. The deeper message in why I posted what I did. Work on that message.)

What's amusing is the most virulent anti-Semites are you Obamunists. Wasn't it John Fucking Kerry who called Israel and Apartheid state recently? Aren't you leftists and your Al Qaeda allies the most vocal JOOOOOO haters in the nation?

See, you're melting down again. lol

I see that, after all, the only retort I could manage was to call you a Nazi.

Oh, wait....

 

[NYcarbineer]

I stated as a matter of established fact that Wilson was a Fabian, an internationalist.



What's amusing is the most virulent anti-Semites are you Obamunists. Wasn't it John Fucking Kerry who called Israel and Apartheid state recently? Aren't you leftists and your Al Qaeda allies the most vocal JOOOOOO haters in the nation?

See, you're melting down again. lol

I see that, after all, the only retort I could manage was to call you a Nazi.

Oh, wait....

See, that was the message you were supposed to get, but it was a bit beyond your depth.

I proved that it was just as easy, and equally valid, to compare you to a Nazi as it was for you to try to compare me to a Fascist,

the only difference being my comparison was better substantiated.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Fabian internationalism is in the roots of modern neoconservatism. You might pin that on Hillary Clinton,

but not on Barack Obama.

Personally, I put Irv Kristol more in line with Trotsky than with the Fabians.

On foreign policy, where do you see a distinction between Obama and his long-time SoS?

Start with the litmus test of Iraq and work from there.

 

[Uncensored2008]

See, you're melting down again. lol

I see that, after all, the only retort I could manage was to call you a Nazi.

Oh, wait....

See, that was the message you were supposed to get, but it was a bit beyond your depth.

I proved that it was just as easy, and equally valid, to compare you to a Nazi as it was for you to try to compare me to a Fascist,

the only difference being my comparison was better substantiated.

Well god damn, YOU'RE WOOODROW WILSON???

 

[bendog]

Robert Capa was a fascist. Really.

 

[PoliticalChic]

try googling international brigade you raving moron.

Are you referring to the Abraham Lincoln Brigade?

If so, why?

Because he thinks that is the definition of Fascism. The mythology of the left holds that since Fascists and Marxists killed each other, they are opposites.

I have attempted to get Boo to explain how that is, since Stalin murdered Trotsky - is the Menshevik form of Marxism the opposite of the Bolshevik version? Does interfaction murder always men opposite ideals? When John Gotti murdered opposition mob bosses, that meant they were the opposite of Mafia?

They never seem to have cogent answer from the leftists - to anything, but particularly not this..

"The mythology of the left holds that since Fascists and Marxists killed each other, they are opposites."

1. Of course, you are correct...they are homicidal siblings.

The names may differ, as do the central players, but they march shoulder to shoulder when they are not at each other's throats.

A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NY Times, November 27, 1925

a. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.
b. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists." Vladimir Bukovsky.



2. When Hitler began his advances on other countries, Stalin refused to join the nations talking of stopping him. Stalin was, in fact, pleased that Hitler was destroying the old order throughout Europe. "There will be no parliaments, no trade unions, no armies, no governments....then Stalin will come as the liberator...millions of people will be sitting in concentration camps, hoping someone will liberate them, then Stalin and the Red Army will come and liberate them. That was his plan." Vladimir Bukovsky.

3. But Hitler didn't have the supplies nor resources he needed, so August 23, 1939, Soviet Russia' Foreign Minister Molotov signs the Nazi-Soviet Non-aggression Pact while German Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop and Soviet leader Josef Stalin look on, while standing under a portrait of Lenin –materials to be provided in later economic agreements.



4. And, the Abraham Lincoln Brigade was made up of communists, and it was controlled by Moscow.

Franco's Nationalists are often labeled "fascist" for accepting aid from Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany....Romerstein characterized the International Brigades as "Stalin's foreign legion."
Using Moscow's Comintern archives, Romerstein documented that approximately 80 percent of the American volunteers were Communist Party members,[7] the remainder made up of fellow-travelers from the Socialist Party of America and the Socialist Labor Party.
Abraham Lincoln Brigade - Conservapedia

 

[hazlnut]

Another copy/paste hack job by Chick.

Yawn...

 

[Camp]

Refining the Concept of Generic Fascism (Review Article) | Andreas Umland - Academia.edu

It's just obnoxious to put fascism out in such and assertive and insistent way when defining fascism is such a hotly debated topic among scholars and academics. But this is the scam artist and conspiracy theorist buff's mode of operation. Take a term, word, thought, idea, concept and territorialize and narrowly define it. Keep the conversation fenced into narrow corridors with the use of insults and other herding methods. When caught as a fraud or entangled in a web of misinformation, deny, deny, deny and at the end of the denials, claim victory.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Another copy/paste hack job by Chick.

Yawn...

Yes, but, hey, she may improve over time...

...remember what Noah Cross said,

"...Politicians, ugly buildings, and whores all get respectable if they last long enough."

 

[NYcarbineer]

Being Conservative makes you say the word 'fascist!' over and over and over and over again.

 

[Pheonixops]

Uhmmmmmmmm . . . . no. This is going right over your head, isn't it?

Please explain how a Fascist and National Socialist states that: ""Both in theory and practice, National Socialism opposes liberalism. ". That alone refutes the OP. Maybe it's going over your head?

As I already explained, dumbass, in Europe a liberal is someone who believes in capitalism. In other words a European liberal is an American right-winger.

LOL, why do you seem to be angry so often? I was simply asking for you to clarify your position. As usual; your over simplification is not accurate.

"In general, liberalism in Europe is a political movement that supports a broad tradition of individual liberties and constitutionally-limited and democratically accountable government. This usually encompasses the belief that government should act to alleviate poverty and other social problems, but not through radical changes to the structure of society.

European liberals are divided on the degree of government intervention in economy, but generally they favor limited intervention. Most European liberal parties today adhere to conservative liberalism, with only a minority adhering to the principles of social liberalism,[1] such as the British Liberal Democrats."

"Conservative liberalism[1][2] is a variant of liberalism, combining liberal values and policies with conservative stances, or, more simply, representing the right-wing of the liberal movement.[3][4][2]
Conservative liberalism is a more positive and less radical version of classical liberalism.[5] Conservative liberal parties combine liberal policies with more traditional stances on social and ethical issues."

"Social liberalism is the belief that liberalism should include a social foundation. Social liberalism seeks to balance individual liberty and social justice. Like classical liberalism, it endorses a market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights and liberties, but differs in that it believes the legitimate role of the government includes addressing economic and social issues such as poverty, health care and education."


As you can see above, there are different types of Liberalism, but it's still Liberalism....................

 

[Pheonixops]

So glad you brought up Republican LaFollette.....who hated the racist Democrats!


While LaFollette was not at home with the businessman-politician that was coming to dominate the Republican Party, he could not abide the Democrats, whose stronghold was the South, where they now engaged in depriving black citizens of the right to vote.

African-Americans would have progressed beyond the new immigrants, LaFollette declared, if they “had been fairly treated, if they had received kindly recognition, if they had been given the opportunity to make homes for themselves, if their labor had been properly rewarded.”
David P. Thelen, “Robert LaFollette and the Insurgent Spirit,” p. 10-11.



Once again the evil, atavistic history of the Democrat Party is revealed!



LaFollette formed the Progressive Party in 1924.....well after Wilson's presidency.

What do you think that most of the conservatives and republicans of today would think of Robert LaFollette? Which party of today do you think would have more in common with his policies?

It's so funny how these modern day Republican conservatives like PC want to claim liberal Republicans from a century ago as their own,

while in the meantime they're trying to purge the current GOP of anyone to the left of Ted Cruz.

I do find it funny that some people never answered that question I asked.

 

[kaz]

What do you think that most of the conservatives and republicans of today would think of Robert LaFollette? Which party of today do you think would have more in common with his policies?

It's so funny how these modern day Republican conservatives like PC want to claim liberal Republicans from a century ago as their own,

while in the meantime they're trying to purge the current GOP of anyone to the left of Ted Cruz.

I do find it funny that some people never answered that question I asked.

He was working for the Germans while they were at war with the United States, so I would definitely say Democrat.

You know he started the Progressive Party and ran for President with a Democrat as his running mate, it's not a hard question.

 

[Pheonixops]

Uhmmmmmmmm . . . . no. This is going right over your head, isn't it?

Please explain how a Fascist and National Socialist states that: ""Both in theory and practice, National Socialism opposes liberalism. ". That alone refutes the OP. Maybe it's going over your head?

Classical liberalism, e.g., the Founders of this nation, is known today as conservatism.

It is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.



Colloquial use of the term "liberalism" is based on John Dewey co-opting the term, which was originally 'socialism.'





Which of the following political philosophies/groups is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, socialists, communists, Nazis,.....fascists.



Understand now?

Classical Liberalism today is known as Classical Liberalism and Conservatism today is known as conservatism.

"quote, Hayek (1976)]
Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic, and power-adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place.

A conservative movement, by its very nature, is bound to be a defender of established privilege and to lean on the power of government for the protection of privilege. The essence of the liberal position, however, is the denial of all privilege, if privilege is understood in its proper and original meaning of the state granting and protecting rights to some which are not available on equal terms to others.
[end of quote]

The most hurtful and outrageous attack by the conservatives on the classical liberals concerns societal and private morals: conservatives claim that classical liberalism has abetted their degradation. Yet, even as he throws these accusations at the liberal, one must wonder about the moral stance of the conservative himself. Judging from the contradictory quotes below, it appears that the conservative uses moral rules in a cynical, pragmatic, utilitarian fashion – “do as I say, not necessarily as I do” – as another tool to enforce “order and good government”. In the quotes below, a conservative is “not concerned with moral right and wrong”, he recognizes the utility of an official religion of the state that can be put to good use by government, and yet to him private morality and public decency are “of urgent political concern”.

 

[kaz]

A conservative movement, by its very nature, is bound to be a defender of established privilege and to lean on the power of government for the protection of privilege. The essence of the liberal position, however, is the denial of all privilege, if privilege is understood in its proper and original meaning of the state granting and protecting rights to some which are not available on equal terms to others.

It's an interesting dichotomy today where those roles are reversed because the liberals dominated starting in the sixties and are now the establishment. So it's liberals who are defending the privileged, who are liberals, while conservatives call for change.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Please explain how a Fascist and National Socialist states that: ""Both in theory and practice, National Socialism opposes liberalism. ". That alone refutes the OP. Maybe it's going over your head?

Classical liberalism, e.g., the Founders of this nation, is known today as conservatism.

It is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.



Colloquial use of the term "liberalism" is based on John Dewey co-opting the term, which was originally 'socialism.'





Which of the following political philosophies/groups is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, socialists, communists, Nazis,.....fascists.



Understand now?

Classical Liberalism today is known as Classical Liberalism and Conservatism today is known as conservatism.

"quote, Hayek (1976)]
Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic, and power-adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place.

A conservative movement, by its very nature, is bound to be a defender of established privilege and to lean on the power of government for the protection of privilege. The essence of the liberal position, however, is the denial of all privilege, if privilege is understood in its proper and original meaning of the state granting and protecting rights to some which are not available on equal terms to others.
[end of quote]

The most hurtful and outrageous attack by the conservatives on the classical liberals concerns societal and private morals: conservatives claim that classical liberalism has abetted their degradation. Yet, even as he throws these accusations at the liberal, one must wonder about the moral stance of the conservative himself. Judging from the contradictory quotes below, it appears that the conservative uses moral rules in a cynical, pragmatic, utilitarian fashion – “do as I say, not necessarily as I do” – as another tool to enforce “order and good government”. In the quotes below, a conservative is “not concerned with moral right and wrong”, he recognizes the utility of an official religion of the state that can be put to good use by government, and yet to him private morality and public decency are “of urgent political concern”.

Don't pretend you don't understand the question...I know you better:

Which of the following political philosophies/groups is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, socialists, communists, Nazis,.....fascists.



Any?




Speak up.

 

[Pheonixops]

it's pathetic that very few "Progressives" cant admit who they really are; socialists or actual communist-leaning morons.

They actually don't realize how they have been manipulated, tricked into authorizing socialists/communists with their vote....

...that is why none of them can bring themselves to criticize the Democrats advancing a bill to stifle free speech.

What bill are you referring to? When do you think that this country had a conservative Administration?

 

[Pheonixops]

It's so funny how these modern day Republican conservatives like PC want to claim liberal Republicans from a century ago as their own,

while in the meantime they're trying to purge the current GOP of anyone to the left of Ted Cruz.

I do find it funny that some people never answered that question I asked.

He was working for the Germans while they were at war with the United States, so I would definitely say Democrat.

You know he started the Progressive Party and ran for President with a Democrat as his running mate, it's not a hard question.

Was he ever convicted of any crime regarding his alleged "working for the Germans"?

That's correct, he was a Liberal Republican.

 

[PoliticalChic]

it's pathetic that very few "Progressives" cant admit who they really are; socialists or actual communist-leaning morons.

They actually don't realize how they have been manipulated, tricked into authorizing socialists/communists with their vote....

...that is why none of them can bring themselves to criticize the Democrats advancing a bill to stifle free speech.

What bill are you referring to? When do you think that this country had a conservative Administration?

This is the third and last time. If you choose not to answer, I'll answer for you:


Which of the following political philosophies/groups is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, socialists, communists, Nazis,.....fascists.

 

[Pheonixops]

A conservative movement, by its very nature, is bound to be a defender of established privilege and to lean on the power of government for the protection of privilege. The essence of the liberal position, however, is the denial of all privilege, if privilege is understood in its proper and original meaning of the state granting and protecting rights to some which are not available on equal terms to others.

It's an interesting dichotomy today where those roles are reversed because the liberals dominated starting in the sixties and are now the establishment. So it's liberals who are defending the privileged, who are liberals, while conservatives call for change.

LOL, I guess who ever is in power wants to take care of their own and run the show. See the previous Administration (that many conservatives called conservative and carried water for), with their expansion of government and erosion of our Civil Liberties. The same jerk offs that stated in their coy and arrogant way: "If you have nothing to hide, what are you worried about?", are now suddenly Civil Liberties advocates.............conversely, the same jerk offs that rightly complained about the erosion of our Civil Liberties from the previous Administration, are now suddenly silent about it, when the current Administration carries the torch for the previous Administration's policies in that regard.