Behind Cruz's Florida Rampage, Obama's School-Leniency Policy

[protectionist]

Despite committing a string of arrestable offenses on campus before the Florida school shooting, Nikolas Cruz was able to escape the attention of law enforcement, pass a background check and purchase the weapon he used to slaughter three staff members and 14 fellow students because of Obama administration efforts to make school discipline more lenient.

Documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations and interviews show that his school district in Florida’s Broward County was in the vanguard of a strategy, adopted by more than 50 other major school districts nationwide, allowing thousands of troubled, often violent, students to commit crimes without legal consequence. The aim was to slow the "school-to-prison pipeline."

“He had a clean record, so alarm bells didn’t go off when they looked him up in the system,” veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello told RCI. “He probably wouldn’t have been able to buy the murder weapon if the school had referred him to law enforcement."

Disclosures about the strategy add a central new element to the Parkland shooting story: It's not just one of official failings at many levels and of America's deep divide over guns, but also one of deliberate federal policy gone awry.

In 2013, the year before Cruz entered high school, the Broward County school system rewrote its discipline policy to make it much more difficult for administrators to suspend or expel problem students, or for campus police to arrest them for misdemeanors– including some of the crimes Cruz allegedly committed in the years and months leading up to the deadly Feb. 14 shooting at his Fort Lauderdale-area school.

The new policy resulted from an Obama administration effort begun in 2011 to keep students in school and improve racial outcomes (timeline here), and came against a backdrop of other efforts to rein in perceived excesses in "zero tolerance" discipline policies, including in Florida.

Broward school Superintendent Robert W. Runcie – a Chicagoan and Harvard graduate with close ties to President Obama and his Education Department – signed an agreement with the county sheriff and other local jurisdictions to trade cops for counseling. Students charged with various misdemeanors, including assault, would now be disciplined through participation in “healing circles,” obstacle courses and other “self-esteem building” exercises.

Superintendent Robert W. Runcie.

Asserting that minority students, in particular, were treated unfairly by traditional approaches to school discipline, Runcie’s goal was to slash arrests and ensure that students, no matter how delinquent, graduated without criminal records.

The achievement gap "becomes intensified in the school-to-prison pipeline, where black males are disproportionately represented,” he said at the time. “We’re not going to continue to arrest our kids,” he added. “Once you have an arrest record, it becomes difficult to get scholarships, get a job, or go into the military."

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel backed Runcie’s plan to diminish the authority of police in responding to campus crime. A November 2013 video shows him signing the district’s 16-page "collaborative agreement on school discipline,” which lists more than a dozen misdemeanors that can no longer be reported to police, along with five steps police must “exhaust” before even considering placing a student under arrest.

In just a few years, ethnically diverse Broward went from leading the state of Florida in student arrests to boasting one of its lowest school-related incarceration rates. Out-of-school suspensions and expulsions also plummeted.

Runcie had been working closely with Obama Education Secretary Arne Duncan on the reforms ever since landing the Broward job in 2011, using as a reference the name of the Cabinet secretary, his former boss in the Chicago school system.

Applications for federal grants reveal that Runcie’s plan factored into approval of tens of millions of dollars in federal funding from Duncan's department.

https://www.realclearinvestigations...cipline_policy_and_the_parkland_shooting.html

 

[protectionist]

So the Obamans PAID OFF the Broward School District to coddle these student brats. Got to be one of the worst quis pro quos in American history. Runcie and School got money. Students got graves.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Obama and the Coward country democrats have the blood of these students on their hands.

 

[protectionist]

Obama and the Coward country democrats have the blood of these students on their hands.

Hard to deny that.

 

[protectionist]

Blood is also on the hands of the lamebrains who call for gun-free ones (ie. the ones who oppose teachers being armed)

When the next crazy shooter shows up, and a teacher who could/should have been armed, doesn't (can't) stop him, these dum dums will have still more blood on their hands.

In addition to .. >> Parkland, San Bernardino, Pulse Club, Fort Hood, Chattanooga, Newtown, Coumbine, Virginia Tech, etc

 

[edthecynic]

So the Obamans PAID OFF the Broward School District to coddle these student brats.

LIAR!

 

[Theowl32]

But but but the NRA!!!

 

[WillMunny]

That superintendent looks like a young Al Sharpton. Fitting, I suppose.

 

[Kilroy2]

Despite committing a string of arrestable offenses on campus before the Florida school shooting, Nikolas Cruz was able to escape the attention of law enforcement, pass a background check and purchase the weapon he used to slaughter three staff members and 14 fellow students because of Obama administration efforts to make school discipline more lenient.

Documents reviewed by RealClearInvestigations and interviews show that his school district in Florida’s Broward County was in the vanguard of a strategy, adopted by more than 50 other major school districts nationwide, allowing thousands of troubled, often violent, students to commit crimes without legal consequence. The aim was to slow the "school-to-prison pipeline."

“He had a clean record, so alarm bells didn’t go off when they looked him up in the system,” veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello told RCI. “He probably wouldn’t have been able to buy the murder weapon if the school had referred him to law enforcement."

Disclosures about the strategy add a central new element to the Parkland shooting story: It's not just one of official failings at many levels and of America's deep divide over guns, but also one of deliberate federal policy gone awry.

In 2013, the year before Cruz entered high school, the Broward County school system rewrote its discipline policy to make it much more difficult for administrators to suspend or expel problem students, or for campus police to arrest them for misdemeanors– including some of the crimes Cruz allegedly committed in the years and months leading up to the deadly Feb. 14 shooting at his Fort Lauderdale-area school.

The new policy resulted from an Obama administration effort begun in 2011 to keep students in school and improve racial outcomes (timeline here), and came against a backdrop of other efforts to rein in perceived excesses in "zero tolerance" discipline policies, including in Florida.

Broward school Superintendent Robert W. Runcie – a Chicagoan and Harvard graduate with close ties to President Obama and his Education Department – signed an agreement with the county sheriff and other local jurisdictions to trade cops for counseling. Students charged with various misdemeanors, including assault, would now be disciplined through participation in “healing circles,” obstacle courses and other “self-esteem building” exercises.

Superintendent Robert W. Runcie.

Asserting that minority students, in particular, were treated unfairly by traditional approaches to school discipline, Runcie’s goal was to slash arrests and ensure that students, no matter how delinquent, graduated without criminal records.

The achievement gap "becomes intensified in the school-to-prison pipeline, where black males are disproportionately represented,” he said at the time. “We’re not going to continue to arrest our kids,” he added. “Once you have an arrest record, it becomes difficult to get scholarships, get a job, or go into the military."

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel backed Runcie’s plan to diminish the authority of police in responding to campus crime. A November 2013 video shows him signing the district’s 16-page "collaborative agreement on school discipline,” which lists more than a dozen misdemeanors that can no longer be reported to police, along with five steps police must “exhaust” before even considering placing a student under arrest.

In just a few years, ethnically diverse Broward went from leading the state of Florida in student arrests to boasting one of its lowest school-related incarceration rates. Out-of-school suspensions and expulsions also plummeted.

Runcie had been working closely with Obama Education Secretary Arne Duncan on the reforms ever since landing the Broward job in 2011, using as a reference the name of the Cabinet secretary, his former boss in the Chicago school system.

Applications for federal grants reveal that Runcie’s plan factored into approval of tens of millions of dollars in federal funding from Duncan's department.

https://www.realclearinvestigations...cipline_policy_and_the_parkland_shooting.html

For years before Nikolas Cruz gunned down classmates and teachers at his former high school, his mother had repeatedly called police to the home to help deal with his violent outbursts, threats and self-destructive behavior, according to police documents obtained by CNN on Friday.

The incident reports, which are as recent as September 2016, describe Cruz as suffering from mental illness and being "emotionally handicapped," and being on behavioral medication

The documents include more than 30 reports going back as far as 2011

Yet Cruz was still able to pass the nation's gun background check system in February 2017

The question was why were there incident reports that were not reviewed as part of the gun background check

This is the state of Florida issue

The vast majority of the police calls resulted in "no paperwork filed But the few that are described in police reports detail Cruz's multiple outbursts

a concerted effort by repubs to blame OB for giving the school money but no criticism of the police,or the laws in effect at the time which contributed to this crime

Broward County Sheriff's deputies were called to the Parkland, Florida, home four days after Cruz's 18th birthday. He had lashed out at his mother over a disagreement about the paperwork he needed to get a Florida State identification card. Lynda Cruz was worried, she told police. Back when he was too young to legally buy a rifle, her son had mentioned he wanted to buy a gun. Now he was "cutting his arms ... to get attention,

so it was known that he had mental problems

Yet the State of Florida allowed him to buy a gun

The background check basically just

checks for felony convictions, instances of domestic violence, addiction to illegal drugs and involuntary commitments due to mental illness

it does not check for school expulsions, other mental health history or domestic disturbances that do not result in criminal charges

The system also does not review a person's public statements or explicit threats to commit violence,

loopholes

The next problem is the blame game, who is at fault and usually many miss the target

Police

local government

 

[protectionist]

For years before Nikolas Cruz gunned down classmates and teachers at his former high school, his mother had repeatedly called police to the home to help deal with his violent outbursts, threats and self-destructive behavior, according to police documents obtained by CNN on Friday.

The incident reports, which are as recent as September 2016, describe Cruz as suffering from mental illness and being "emotionally handicapped," and being on behavioral medication

The documents include more than 30 reports going back as far as 2011

Yet Cruz was still able to pass the nation's gun background check system in February 2017

The question was why were there incident reports that were not reviewed as part of the gun background check

This is the state of Florida issue

The vast majority of the police calls resulted in "no paperwork filed But the few that are described in police reports detail Cruz's multiple outbursts

a concerted effort by repubs to blame OB for giving the school money but no criticism of the police,or the laws in effect at the time which contributed to this crime

Broward County Sheriff's deputies were called to the Parkland, Florida, home four days after Cruz's 18th birthday. He had lashed out at his mother over a disagreement about the paperwork he needed to get a Florida State identification card. Lynda Cruz was worried, she told police. Back when he was too young to legally buy a rifle, her son had mentioned he wanted to buy a gun. Now he was "cutting his arms ... to get attention,

so it was known that he had mental problems

Yet the State of Florida allowed him to buy a gun

The background check basically just

checks for felony convictions, instances of domestic violence, addiction to illegal drugs and involuntary commitments due to mental illness

it does not check for school expulsions, other mental health history or domestic disturbances that do not result in criminal charges

The system also does not review a person's public statements or explicit threats to commit violence,

loopholes

The next problem is the blame game, who is at fault and usually many miss the target

Police

local government

Present some source information about background checks for gun sales in Florida. Got a source ? Got a link / Got anything ?

I hesitate to believe that Nicolas Cruz' gun seller would have sold him a gun if he had known Cruz' background, and I hesitate to believe that the Promise Program and its methodology, had nothing to do with his very empty background check.

FBI officials say a more full background check would have stopped the sale. And sure, the Broward SO had responsibility. They were in on the coverup all the way.

 

[TheParser]

One mistake of President Obama's administration was to cave to activists who charged that two certain ethnicities were being singled out for suspension because they were defiant toward teachers.

President Obama's administration ordered all schools receiving federal aid to stop such suspensions. Now when a young gentleman or young lady is defiant (e.g., when a student says, "I can sit wherever I want. You cannot assign seats" or "If I want to use my cellphone, it's none of your business!), there is no suspension, only a meeting between the teacher and the student, in which both pour out their feelings. Then they both become friends and everything is hunky dory again.

Of course, if one points out that most suspensions are given to those two certain ethnicities because they are the most defiant, one is immediately labeled with the R-word.

President Obama, of course, had no choice. He had to show his support for those two certain ethnicities.

Here in Los Angeles, our board of education has proudly announced that suspensions are way down. Many naïve citizens then think that there has been a miracle: students have suddenly become angels. See what a great job we are doing! the board claims. It doesn't explain why suspensions are down.

(If President Trump is reelected, I hope that he reinstates suspension for defiance.)

 

[Kilroy2]

For years before Nikolas Cruz gunned down classmates and teachers at his former high school, his mother had repeatedly called police to the home to help deal with his violent outbursts, threats and self-destructive behavior, according to police documents obtained by CNN on Friday.

The incident reports, which are as recent as September 2016, describe Cruz as suffering from mental illness and being "emotionally handicapped," and being on behavioral medication

The documents include more than 30 reports going back as far as 2011

Yet Cruz was still able to pass the nation's gun background check system in February 2017

The question was why were there incident reports that were not reviewed as part of the gun background check

This is the state of Florida issue

The vast majority of the police calls resulted in "no paperwork filed But the few that are described in police reports detail Cruz's multiple outbursts

a concerted effort by repubs to blame OB for giving the school money but no criticism of the police,or the laws in effect at the time which contributed to this crime

Broward County Sheriff's deputies were called to the Parkland, Florida, home four days after Cruz's 18th birthday. He had lashed out at his mother over a disagreement about the paperwork he needed to get a Florida State identification card. Lynda Cruz was worried, she told police. Back when he was too young to legally buy a rifle, her son had mentioned he wanted to buy a gun. Now he was "cutting his arms ... to get attention,

so it was known that he had mental problems

Yet the State of Florida allowed him to buy a gun

The background check basically just

checks for felony convictions, instances of domestic violence, addiction to illegal drugs and involuntary commitments due to mental illness

it does not check for school expulsions, other mental health history or domestic disturbances that do not result in criminal charges

The system also does not review a person's public statements or explicit threats to commit violence,

loopholes

The next problem is the blame game, who is at fault and usually many miss the target

Police

local government

Present some source information about background checks for gun sales in Florida. Got a source ? Got a link / Got anything ?

I hesitate to believe that Nicolas Cruz' gun seller would have sold him a gun if he had known Cruz' background, and I hesitate to believe that the Promise Program and its methodology, had nothing to do with his very empty background check.

FBI officials say a more full background check would have stopped the sale. And sure, the Broward SO had responsibility. They were in on the coverup all the way.

In 2018, after a 19-year-old carried out a mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida, the state enacted a law prohibiting minors under age 21 from purchasing firearms.1 The law also prohibits licensed dealers from making or facilitating the sale or transfer of a firearm to a person under 21 years of age.

SB 7026 provides law enforcement, the courts, and schools with the tools to enhance public safety by temporarily restricting firearm possession by a person who is undergoing a mental health crisis and when there is evidence of a threat of violence. The bill also promotes school safety and enhanced coordination between education and law enforcement entities at the state and local level. Specifically, the bill:

Prohibits a person under 21 years of age from purchasing a firearm.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/7026/Analyses/2018s07026.pre.ap.PDF

this bill was enacted after the shooting

why because the main thing is that the age for purchasing a firearm in Florida was 18 prior to this law

So here is a bill brought to the table by the governor and passed in response to the shooting

basically admitting that there was a problem because obviously if the age was 21 then he would not have been able to purchase a gun and a very high probability that the shooting would not have occurred

Federal law requires federally licensed firearms dealers (but not private sellers) to initiate a background check on the purchaser prior to sale of a firearm.

Federal law provides states with the option of serving as a state “point of contact” and conducting their own background checks using state, as well as federal, records and databases, or having the checks performed by the FBI using only the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (“NICS”) database. (Note that state files are not always included in the federal database.)

Florida is a point of contact state for the NICS. As a result, firearms dealers in Florida must initiate the background check required by federal law by contacting the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE).1 More specifically, Florida law prohibits a licensed dealer from selling or delivering a firearm from his or her inventory at his or her licensed premises to anyone except a licensed dealer, importer, or manufacturer, without:

• Obtaining a completed form from the buyer or transferee, and inspecting proper photographic identification;

• Calling the FDLE and requesting a check of “the information as reported and reflected in the Florida Crime Information Center and National Crime Information Center systems as of the date of the request;” and

• Receiving a unique approval number from FDLE and recording that number and the date on the form.2

Upon receiving a request for a background check, the FDLE is required to review any available records to determine if the buyer or transferee is prohibited from purchasing a firearm because he or she has been:

• Convicted of a felony;

• Convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence; or

• “Adjudicated mentally defective” or “committed to a mental institution” by a court.3

Since Cruz never was convicted of any of the above, anyone can easily pass background checks if none of the above apply


Florida law provides definitions of the terms “adjudicated mentally defective” and “committed to a mental institution.” Most individuals in these categories are prohibited by federal law from possessing or purchasing firearms.4 Persons involuntarily committed for outpatient treatment are included within the definition of “committed to a mental institution.”5

In 2018, Florida enacted an extreme risk protection order law that authorizes law enforcement agencies to petition a court for a civil order preventing a dangerous person from accessing firearms for up to one year.6 Within 24 hours after a risk protection order is issued, the clerk of the issuing court must forward the order to law enforcement for entry into the Florida Crime Information Center and National Crime Information Center so that the order can be enforced when background checks are performed.7

Federal Disqualifiers (Title 18 USC 922):

• Felony Conviction (or equivalent) • Fugitive From Justice • Unlawful User of Controlled Substance • Adjudicated Mentally Incompetent • Illegal Alien or Unlawfully in US • Dishonorable Discharge from Armed Forces • Renounced US Citizenship • Respondent to Protection Order • Convicted of Misdemeanor Domestic Violence • Under Indictment/Information for Felony

Mental Health Prohibition Prohibiting

• Adjudicated mentally incompetent by court • Court ordered to treatment (including substance abuse) • Mentally unable to proceed in criminal case • Not guilty by reason of insanity Not Prohibiting • Persons who voluntarily seek treatment • Held for observation then released • Physician diagnosis alone (absent a court order)

Risk Protection Order Prohibits purchase

• Petitioned by Law Enforcement Agency • Ex Parte (temporary) order until hearing • Hearing – final order up to 12 months • Can be extended • Respondent can petition for order to be removed • Notification to law enforcement agency if purchase is attempted by respondent

background checks are flawed because it may require a court order or conviction of a felony or held to be mentally incompetent

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/MSDHS/M...12-1015am-Gun-Purchases-and-Possession-Disqua

IF Florida state did not allow him to purchase a weapon at the age of 18, then he probably would have eventually committed a felon or held to be mentally incompetent with the 4 years before he turned 21


Thus the real issues is the age and it is important to acknowledge that Florida changed the age in response to the shooting

If that is the case then they should be sued

Promise program initiated by broward county

https://www.browardschools.com/cms/lib/FL01803656/Centricity/Domain/6947/promiseflyer.pdf

Obama program

THE DEPARTMENTS’ INVESTIGATIONS AND ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS
UNDER TITLE IV AND TITLE VI

A. Legal Framework

Titles IV and VI protect students from discrimination based on race in connection with all academic, educational, extracurricular, athletic, and other programs and activities of a school, including programs and activities a school administers to ensure and maintain school safety and student discipline. When schools respond to student misconduct, Titles IV and VI require that the school’s response be undertaken in a racially nondiscriminatory manner.


this program does not give a free reign for students to do things that are wrong and should be addressed, IT is not a free commit a crime loophole but I guess you would disagree

it just says that the school must school must respond in a racially non discriminatory manner

meaning that just because the person is of a certain color then he must be guilty


it does not stop the school from responding based on race, they can still do what needs to be done so long as it is not racially motivated

racially motivated may be a tough card for some obviously

but some people do judge on the individual actions instead of his race and in previous post I mention the numerous times that the police were involved. The police have nothing to do with the program. If a law is broken then they respond accordingly.

Still the background check failed to determine these incidents and the age limit allowed it to be committed when the kid was fresh out of the school and obviously harbored some really negative feelings about the School.

So is the cause the law that allowed a 18 year to get a gun or because police did not create a record of the various incidents in which they were called to the scene

but I guess you believe that it was the schools fault but hey they cannot create felony or criminal records of anything which would cause someone to fail a background check

 

[protectionist]

For years before Nikolas Cruz gunned down classmates and teachers at his former high school, his mother had repeatedly called police to the home to help deal with his violent outbursts, threats and self-destructive behavior, according to police documents obtained by CNN on Friday.

The incident reports, which are as recent as September 2016, describe Cruz as suffering from mental illness and being "emotionally handicapped," and being on behavioral medication

The documents include more than 30 reports going back as far as 2011

Yet Cruz was still able to pass the nation's gun background check system in February 2017

The question was why were there incident reports that were not reviewed as part of the gun background check

This is the state of Florida issue

The vast majority of the police calls resulted in "no paperwork filed But the few that are described in police reports detail Cruz's multiple outbursts

a concerted effort by repubs to blame OB for giving the school money but no criticism of the police,or the laws in effect at the time which contributed to this crime

Broward County Sheriff's deputies were called to the Parkland, Florida, home four days after Cruz's 18th birthday. He had lashed out at his mother over a disagreement about the paperwork he needed to get a Florida State identification card. Lynda Cruz was worried, she told police. Back when he was too young to legally buy a rifle, her son had mentioned he wanted to buy a gun. Now he was "cutting his arms ... to get attention,

so it was known that he had mental problems

Yet the State of Florida allowed him to buy a gun

The background check basically just

checks for felony convictions, instances of domestic violence, addiction to illegal drugs and involuntary commitments due to mental illness

it does not check for school expulsions, other mental health history or domestic disturbances that do not result in criminal charges

The system also does not review a person's public statements or explicit threats to commit violence,

loopholes

The next problem is the blame game, who is at fault and usually many miss the target

Police

local government

Present some source information about background checks for gun sales in Florida. Got a source ? Got a link / Got anything ?

I hesitate to believe that Nicolas Cruz' gun seller would have sold him a gun if he had known Cruz' background, and I hesitate to believe that the Promise Program and its methodology, had nothing to do with his very empty background check.

FBI officials say a more full background check would have stopped the sale. And sure, the Broward SO had responsibility. They were in on the coverup all the way.

In 2018, after a 19-year-old carried out a mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida, the state enacted a law prohibiting minors under age 21 from purchasing firearms.1 The law also prohibits licensed dealers from making or facilitating the sale or transfer of a firearm to a person under 21 years of age.

SB 7026 provides law enforcement, the courts, and schools with the tools to enhance public safety by temporarily restricting firearm possession by a person who is undergoing a mental health crisis and when there is evidence of a threat of violence. The bill also promotes school safety and enhanced coordination between education and law enforcement entities at the state and local level. Specifically, the bill:

Prohibits a person under 21 years of age from purchasing a firearm.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/7026/Analyses/2018s07026.pre.ap.PDF

this bill was enacted after the shooting

why because the main thing is that the age for purchasing a firearm in Florida was 18 prior to this law

So here is a bill brought to the table by the governor and passed in response to the shooting

basically admitting that there was a problem because obviously if the age was 21 then he would not have been able to purchase a gun and a very high probability that the shooting would not have occurred

Federal law requires federally licensed firearms dealers (but not private sellers) to initiate a background check on the purchaser prior to sale of a firearm.

Federal law provides states with the option of serving as a state “point of contact” and conducting their own background checks using state, as well as federal, records and databases, or having the checks performed by the FBI using only the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (“NICS”) database. (Note that state files are not always included in the federal database.)

Florida is a point of contact state for the NICS. As a result, firearms dealers in Florida must initiate the background check required by federal law by contacting the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE).1 More specifically, Florida law prohibits a licensed dealer from selling or delivering a firearm from his or her inventory at his or her licensed premises to anyone except a licensed dealer, importer, or manufacturer, without:

• Obtaining a completed form from the buyer or transferee, and inspecting proper photographic identification;

• Calling the FDLE and requesting a check of “the information as reported and reflected in the Florida Crime Information Center and National Crime Information Center systems as of the date of the request;” and

• Receiving a unique approval number from FDLE and recording that number and the date on the form.2

Upon receiving a request for a background check, the FDLE is required to review any available records to determine if the buyer or transferee is prohibited from purchasing a firearm because he or she has been:

• Convicted of a felony;

• Convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence; or

• “Adjudicated mentally defective” or “committed to a mental institution” by a court.3

Since Cruz never was convicted of any of the above, anyone can easily pass background checks if none of the above apply


Florida law provides definitions of the terms “adjudicated mentally defective” and “committed to a mental institution.” Most individuals in these categories are prohibited by federal law from possessing or purchasing firearms.4 Persons involuntarily committed for outpatient treatment are included within the definition of “committed to a mental institution.”5

In 2018, Florida enacted an extreme risk protection order law that authorizes law enforcement agencies to petition a court for a civil order preventing a dangerous person from accessing firearms for up to one year.6 Within 24 hours after a risk protection order is issued, the clerk of the issuing court must forward the order to law enforcement for entry into the Florida Crime Information Center and National Crime Information Center so that the order can be enforced when background checks are performed.7

Federal Disqualifiers (Title 18 USC 922):

• Felony Conviction (or equivalent) • Fugitive From Justice • Unlawful User of Controlled Substance • Adjudicated Mentally Incompetent • Illegal Alien or Unlawfully in US • Dishonorable Discharge from Armed Forces • Renounced US Citizenship • Respondent to Protection Order • Convicted of Misdemeanor Domestic Violence • Under Indictment/Information for Felony

Mental Health Prohibition Prohibiting

• Adjudicated mentally incompetent by court • Court ordered to treatment (including substance abuse) • Mentally unable to proceed in criminal case • Not guilty by reason of insanity Not Prohibiting • Persons who voluntarily seek treatment • Held for observation then released • Physician diagnosis alone (absent a court order)

Risk Protection Order Prohibits purchase

• Petitioned by Law Enforcement Agency • Ex Parte (temporary) order until hearing • Hearing – final order up to 12 months • Can be extended • Respondent can petition for order to be removed • Notification to law enforcement agency if purchase is attempted by respondent

background checks are flawed because it may require a court order or conviction of a felony or held to be mentally incompetent

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/MSDHS/M...12-1015am-Gun-Purchases-and-Possession-Disqua

IF Florida state did not allow him to purchase a weapon at the age of 18, then he probably would have eventually committed a felon or held to be mentally incompetent with the 4 years before he turned 21


Thus the real issues is the age and it is important to acknowledge that Florida changed the age in response to the shooting

If that is the case then they should be sued

Promise program initiated by broward county

https://www.browardschools.com/cms/lib/FL01803656/Centricity/Domain/6947/promiseflyer.pdf

Obama program

THE DEPARTMENTS’ INVESTIGATIONS AND ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS
UNDER TITLE IV AND TITLE VI

A. Legal Framework

Titles IV and VI protect students from discrimination based on race in connection with all academic, educational, extracurricular, athletic, and other programs and activities of a school, including programs and activities a school administers to ensure and maintain school safety and student discipline. When schools respond to student misconduct, Titles IV and VI require that the school’s response be undertaken in a racially nondiscriminatory manner.


this program does not give a free reign for students to do things that are wrong and should be addressed, IT is not a free commit a crime loophole but I guess you would disagree

it just says that the school must school must respond in a racially non discriminatory manner

meaning that just because the person is of a certain color then he must be guilty


it does not stop the school from responding based on race, they can still do what needs to be done so long as it is not racially motivated

racially motivated may be a tough card for some obviously

but some people do judge on the individual actions instead of his race and in previous post I mention the numerous times that the police were involved. The police have nothing to do with the program. If a law is broken then they respond accordingly.

Still the background check failed to determine these incidents and the age limit allowed it to be committed when the kid was fresh out of the school and obviously harbored some really negative feelings about the School.

So is the cause the law that allowed a 18 year to get a gun or because police did not create a record of the various incidents in which they were called to the scene

but I guess you believe that it was the schools fault but hey they cannot create felony or criminal records of anything which would cause someone to fail a background check

I have no intentions of reading a post this long. I don't read posts 1/4 this length. This is a place for a post, not a book.

As for the thread, regardless of whatever Cruz' crimes were, his whole background should have been on full display, including open threats to shoot up the school, and there's no way he should have been allowed to buy a gun. Period.

Obama, Duncan, Holder, Runcie, Israel, et al are lucky to have not been thrown in jail for criminal negligence. They ought to be sitting right alongside Cruz. They're damn near as guilty as he is.

 

[Kilroy2]

Actually the state of Florida for having laws in place that allowed Cruz to get a gun as he was at least 18 was a bigger factor

That is why right after the shooting they quickly passed a law that they now had to be 21 to get a gun

After police called about Cruz numerous time while under 18, and yet nothing that was placed in a record that could be used in a background check to deny him a gun was a bigger factor

Obama, Duncan, Holder, Runcie, Israel, - none of them have the power to place a reason for denial in a gun background check as the check is very specific

 

[Snouter]

The corruption democrats have inflicted not only costs taxpayer dollars, but the safety of American citizens.

Obviously, he was an affirmative action "student" at Harvard like Micheal Obama at Princeton.

 

[protectionist]

The corruption democrats have inflicted not only costs taxpayer dollars, but the safety of American citizens.

Obviously, he was an affirmative action "student" at Harvard like Micheal Obama at Princeton.

It cost 17 American citizens their LIVES. Possibly many more I other promise program locations. Who's doing any research on it ?

 

[protectionist]

Actually the state of Florida for having laws in place that allowed Cruz to get a gun as he was at least 18 was a bigger factor

That is why right after the shooting they quickly passed a law that they now had to be 21 to get a gun

After police called about Cruz numerous time while under 18, and yet nothing that was placed in a record that could be used in a background check to deny him a gun was a bigger factor

Obama, Duncan, Holder, Runcie, Israel, - none of them have the power to place a reason for denial in a gun background check as the check is very specific

You contradicted yourself. Nothing being placed in Cruz' record that could be used in a background check, was not a bigger factor. It WAS the factor. The factor of criminal kids not being reported to police, and not having their backgrounds being reported to crime records.

You are also wrong about Obama, Duncan, Holder, Runcie, and Israel. All of them had the power to place a reason for denial in a gun background check. Their power was to not do what they did- cause background information to not be available.

Anything that prevents gun sellers, employers, etc, from knowing about criminal records, and non-criminal but bad behavior, needs to be abolished. If any promise programs still exist, that would be a good place to start
Clean house.

Lastly, there is no such thing as "the" check. Background checks come from dozens of various sources, and are variable from one checker to another, but all rely on initial information which the filthy five mentioned here, in one way or another, all participated to keep unavailable.

 

[Kilroy2]

Actually the state of Florida for having laws in place that allowed Cruz to get a gun as he was at least 18 was a bigger factor

That is why right after the shooting they quickly passed a law that they now had to be 21 to get a gun

After police called about Cruz numerous time while under 18, and yet nothing that was placed in a record that could be used in a background check to deny him a gun was a bigger factor

Obama, Duncan, Holder, Runcie, Israel, - none of them have the power to place a reason for denial in a gun background check as the check is very specific

You contradicted yourself. Nothing being placed in Cruz' record that could be used in a background check, was not a bigger factor. It WAS the factor. The factor of criminal kids not being reported to police, and not having their backgrounds being reported to crime records.

You are also wrong about Obama, Duncan, Holder, Runcie, and Israel. All of them had the power to place a reason for denial in a gun background check. Their power was to not do what they did- cause background information to not be available.

Anything that prevents gun sellers, employers, etc, from knowing about criminal records, and non-criminal but bad behavior, needs to be abolished. If any promise programs still exist, that would be a good place to start
Clean house.

Lastly, there is no such thing as "the" check. Background checks come from dozens of various sources, and are variable from one checker to another, but all rely on initial information which the filthy five mentioned here, in one way or another, all participated to keep unavailable.

You contradicted yourself. Nothing being placed in Cruz' record that could be used in a background check, was not a bigger factor. It WAS the factor. The factor of criminal kids not being reported to police, and not having their backgrounds being reported to crime records.

You contradicted yourself. Nothing being placed in Cruz' record that could be used in a background check, was not a bigger factor. It WAS the factor. The factor of criminal kids not being reported to police, and not having their backgrounds being reported to crime records.

and you just contradicted yourself

you admit that background check was a factor

yet the things that count in a background check could only be things that the police , doctors, and the republican having a law that says a 18 year old can get a gun could be grounds for denying him a gun

The school or district has no authority to place information in a background check that would have denied him a gun

There are ten categories of persons who are not eligible to purchase or possess a firearm under federal law (Title 18, United States Code 922(g)(1)-(9), (n)). They are:

1. Convicted of a felony (or equivalent)
2. Fugitive from justice
3. Unlawful user or addicted to a controlled substance
4. Adjudicated mentally defective or involuntarily committed to treatment
5. Illegal alien
6. Dishonorable discharge from the US Armed Forces
7. Renounced United States citizenship
8. Active protection order (restraining order, injunction for protection, etc.)
9. Convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
10. Under indictment or information for a felony

now of the above is in the jurisdiction of the school district they can not convict anyone of a crime nor can they diagnose hims as mentally defective


instead the police who were called numerous times about cruz but could not or did not even charge him with anything

thus because Florida law in 2017 and 2018 allowed an 19 year old to purchase a gun

now that law was changed that says you have to be 21.

too little to late

 

[protectionist]

Actually the state of Florida for having laws in place that allowed Cruz to get a gun as he was at least 18 was a bigger factor

That is why right after the shooting they quickly passed a law that they now had to be 21 to get a gun

After police called about Cruz numerous time while under 18, and yet nothing that was placed in a record that could be used in a background check to deny him a gun was a bigger factor

Obama, Duncan, Holder, Runcie, Israel, - none of them have the power to place a reason for denial in a gun background check as the check is very specific

You contradicted yourself. Nothing being placed in Cruz' record that could be used in a background check, was not a bigger factor. It WAS the factor. The factor of criminal kids not being reported to police, and not having their backgrounds being reported to crime records.

You are also wrong about Obama, Duncan, Holder, Runcie, and Israel. All of them had the power to place a reason for denial in a gun background check. Their power was to not do what they did- cause background information to not be available.

Anything that prevents gun sellers, employers, etc, from knowing about criminal records, and non-criminal but bad behavior, needs to be abolished. If any promise programs still exist, that would be a good place to start
Clean house.

Lastly, there is no such thing as "the" check. Background checks come from dozens of various sources, and are variable from one checker to another, but all rely on initial information which the filthy five mentioned here, in one way or another, all participated to keep unavailable.

You contradicted yourself. Nothing being placed in Cruz' record that could be used in a background check, was not a bigger factor. It WAS the factor. The factor of criminal kids not being reported to police, and not having their backgrounds being reported to crime records.

You contradicted yourself. Nothing being placed in Cruz' record that could be used in a background check, was not a bigger factor. It WAS the factor. The factor of criminal kids not being reported to police, and not having their backgrounds being reported to crime records.

and you just contradicted yourself

you admit that background check was a factor

yet the things that count in a background check could only be things that the police , doctors, and the republican having a law that says a 18 year old can get a gun could be grounds for denying him a gun

The school or district has no authority to place information in a background check that would have denied him a gun

There are ten categories of persons who are not eligible to purchase or possess a firearm under federal law (Title 18, United States Code 922(g)(1)-(9), (n)). They are:

1. Convicted of a felony (or equivalent)
2. Fugitive from justice
3. Unlawful user or addicted to a controlled substance
4. Adjudicated mentally defective or involuntarily committed to treatment
5. Illegal alien
6. Dishonorable discharge from the US Armed Forces
7. Renounced United States citizenship
8. Active protection order (restraining order, injunction for protection, etc.)
9. Convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
10. Under indictment or information for a felony

now of the above is in the jurisdiction of the school district they can not convict anyone of a crime nor can they diagnose hims as mentally defective


instead the police who were called numerous times about cruz but could not or did not even charge him with anything

thus because Florida law in 2017 and 2018 allowed an 19 year old to purchase a gun

now that law was changed that says you have to be 21.

too little to late

1. There may be 10 categories under federal law that can prevent someone from buying a gun. And there may be 1000 things can prevent someone from buying a gun, not included in federal law. Many of those things were present in Nicolas Cruz' case.

2. I don't know if your reason for continually bantering this subject, is that perhaps you're some kind of gun control freak, but however many reasons there may be to deny an 18-21 year old a gun, there are plenty of reasons to allow them as well.

How about the case of a law-abiding 18 year old girl with a small child at home, who are being menaced by a rejected suitor, who won't take no for an answer? Or how about if she's being bullied by the neighborhood boys, all looking for a quick "score" ?
These are just a few examples. In fact, the 18-21 age group might be the one that is most vulnerable, and in need of a self-defense weapon.

As long as their background hasn't been deleted, and their record is clear, I see no reason to deny them a gun.

3. I myself was legally given a gun at the age of 18. In the US Army.

4. Cruz' age isn't to blame for the Parkland mess. It's the ludicrous idea of not reporting things, and maintaimg false, good-appearing backgrounds, that is. This idiotic idea is incredibly dangerous, and needs to be eradicated wherever it might exist.

5. Are you somehow involved in this general promise program lunacy ? Got a vested interest ? I see no reason for an intelligent person to be talking the way you are, unless you're personally mixed up in this.

 

[protectionist]

One mistake of President Obama's administration was to cave to activists who charged that two certain ethnicities were being singled out for suspension because they were defiant toward teachers.

President Obama's administration ordered all schools receiving federal aid to stop such suspensions. Now when a young gentleman or young lady is defiant (e.g., when a student says, "I can sit wherever I want. You cannot assign seats" or "If I want to use my cellphone, it's none of your business!), there is no suspension, only a meeting between the teacher and the student, in which both pour out their feelings. Then they both become friends and everything is hunky dory again.

Of course, if one points out that most suspensions are given to those two certain ethnicities because they are the most defiant, one is immediately labeled with the R-word.

President Obama, of course, had no choice. He had to show his support for those two certain ethnicities.

Here in Los Angeles, our board of education has proudly announced that suspensions are way down. Many naïve citizens then think that there has been a miracle: students have suddenly become angels. See what a great job we are doing! the board claims. It doesn't explain why suspensions are down.

(If President Trump is reelected, I hope that he reinstates suspension for defiance.)

In addition to being insane and assinine, the promise programs are also a pure CON JOB, aided by the media's complicity, in keeping it quiet just WHY suspensions and arrests are way down.

This whole thing is a prime example of the type of despicable behavior, and tragic results you get, when you put race-obsessed, nutjob liberals in positions of power.

God help this country if one of them gets elected president this year.