Zone1 Beggars at the Intersection: How do you feel about them? What do you do?

[TruthNotBS]

The homeless guy on the corner might like a sandwich and a bottle of water...

Yes, he would.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Maybe you shouldn't wear your past on your shirt sleeve moron. You posted all I need to know.

You're the fool asserting my life amounts to a few years of my past, discounting what I've accomplished in the last 20+ years of being clean and sober, because you're ignorant, not knowing what my life has been since then You're resorting to an ad hominem logical fallacy, with a bit of gaslighting. Nice try genius.

 

[Meriweather]

You reduced everything I said to drug rehab and psych wards. So now you're just being disingenuous, ignoring most of what I said and facetiously misrepresenting it. Your "solution" is to leave people out in the street causing costly damage and havoc.

I have read through what you have been saying. We probably agree and disagree. First, no homeless allowed in the city. Our first priority is to care for our city because of the life it sustains and because it belongs to the people who work to support it. (You are probably disagreeing vehemently at this point, but let's move on.)

Picture the homeless outside the city limits. The have come to the city because they are looking for a job and a place to stay. Drugs, alcohol, and mental illness are not their problems. They are down on their luck, need a job and a place to stay rent free while they get back on their feet. They are then directed or escorted to an apartment suited for the situation. They are assisted with food and other essentials while finding employment.

Homeless at the city limits who have an addiction are taken to a rehab center. Homeless at the city limits who are mentally unstable to a psychiatric center.

I would like to see the people of the city involved. First, those who were helped by the system become employees/volunteers who run it. Let the city have know where they can go to learn where help is needed, what donations are needed. Have each business be a part of pitching in. But most of all, those who were helped contribute back to the city that helped them.

The problem with the city government running all of this is that government pays a bureaucracy to figure it out. It is not the people who need help who end up with city money, it is the bureaucracy that ends up with the funds.

Two issues need to be addressed: Clearing public streets and spaces. After that takes place, then take a look at what exactly needs to be done, where.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I have read through what you have been saying. We probably agree and disagree. First, no homeless allowed in the city. Our first priority is to care for our city because of the life it sustains and because it belongs to the people who work to support it. (You are probably disagreeing vehemently at this point, but let's move on.)

Picture the homeless outside the city limits. The have come to the city because they are looking for a job and a place to stay. Drugs, alcohol, and mental illness are not their problems. They are down on their luck, need a job and a place to stay rent free while they get back on their feet. They are then directed or escorted to an apartment suited for the situation. They are assisted with food and other essentials while finding employment.

Homeless at the city limits who have an addiction are taken to a rehab center. Homeless at the city limits who are mentally unstable to a psychiatric center.

I would like to see the people of the city involved. First, those who were helped by the system become employees/volunteers who run it. Let the city have know where they can go to learn where help is needed, what donations are needed. Have each business be a part of pitching in. But most of all, those who were helped contribute back to the city that helped them.

The problem with the city government running all of this is that government pays a bureaucracy to figure it out. It is not the people who need help who end up with city money, it is the bureaucracy that ends up with the funds.

Two issues need to be addressed: Clearing public streets and spaces. After that takes place, then take a look at what exactly needs to be done, where.

I have read through what you have been saying. We probably agree and disagree. First, no homeless allowed in the city. Our first priority is to care for our city because of the life it sustains and because it belongs to the people who work to support it.

I agree, but we must provide people who are homeless, with at least basic housing. Homeless shelters aren't the solution, believe me, I know. I tried the homeless shelter system, and after being eaten alive by bedbugs and getting coughed on all night by a crackhead with possibly a TB infection, I decided to buy a sleeping bag and a cheap tent at Walmart with the money I had left. I wasn't going to subject myself to that horrible environment anymore, and most homeless people agree with me.

Homelessness is more expensive than simply adequately housing the homeless.

(You are probably disagreeing vehemently at this point, but let's move on.)

I agree with what you said in your opening paragraph, but with the caveat that we must provide adequate housing.


Picture the homeless outside the city limits. The have come to the city because they are looking for a job and a place to stay. Drugs, alcohol, and mental illness are not their problems. They are down on their luck, need a job and a place to stay rent free while they get back on their feet. They are then directed or escorted to an apartment suited for the situation. They are assisted with food and other essentials while finding employment.

We don't want a bunch of homeless people sleeping in people's backyards in the suburbs and farms, which is mostly what exists in the city limits. There's no clear border between the city and its limits. It's all comprised of residential properties or there's an agricultural region or national and state parks. We don't want caravans of homeless people, full of drug addicts, the mentally ill, and criminals concentrating themselves on our highways and suburbs.

What we need to do is house people and as you said, those who need rehab will get the services they need to get clean and sober.

If it's left to charity or "GoFundMe.Com", there won't be enough infrastructure and resources to eliminate homelessness. The federal government has to fund and organize it, in collaboration with local and state governments. Otherwise, we're back to square one.

 

[Concerned American]

we must provide adequate housing.

Bullshit. When they get off of their parasitic asses and earn those conditions, they'll get them. The world doesn't owe them a thing. We have MORE THAN ENOUGH social programs sucking the life out of the tax paying public.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Bullshit. When they get off of their parasitic asses and earn those conditions, they'll get them. The world doesn't owe them a thing. We have MORE THAN ENOUGH social programs sucking the life out of the tax paying public.

Are you an atheist or Christian, what are you as far as your view of God, and our source of law and rights?

 

[Concerned American]

what are you as far as your view of God

My views of God are between he and I and none of your business. I don't use God as a crutch. You were born with all the abilities that you need. You chose to misuse those blessings and now you feel because you finally straightened your ass out that it gives you license to excuse those actions. You might as well still be abusing yourself and everyone around you when you try to justify that stupidity.

 

[TruthNotBS]

My views of God are between he and I and none of your business. I don't use God as a crutch. You were born with all the abilities that you need. You chose to misuse those blessings and now you feel because you finally straightened your ass out that it gives you license to excuse those actions. You might as well still be abusing yourself and everyone around you when you try to justify that stupidity.

My views of God are between he and I and none of your business. I don't use God as a crutch.

Do you worship and serve the living God of the Bible, or the god of your imagination? Which God do you serve?


You were born with all the abilities that you need. You chose to misuse those blessings and now you feel because you finally straightened your ass out that it gives you license to excuse those actions. You might as well still be abusing yourself and everyone around you when you try to justify that stupidity.

I don't justify my wickedness but unfortunately, you apparently justify yours, when you flippantly disregard the God-given rights of the poor.

Christ set me free from drugs and alcohol decades ago and I'm now a new creation and son of God, in Christ. The only one who is trying to condemn me for my wicked past as a homeless, drug addict, and drunk, is Satan and his demons. If you worship the God of the Bible, then you're behaving badly when you flippantly dismiss the needs of the homeless, and those who are lost and bound by Satan.

God Himself, in His Word, tells us that the poor have rights, and His people must house and feed the hungry and homeless. Those who don't, are acting wickedly and are condemned to hell, according to Jesus.

 

[Concerned American]

Do you worship and serve the living God of the Bible,

You really aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you? What part of none of your business don't you understand?

you're behaving badly when you flippantly dismiss the needs of the homeless, and those who are lost and bound by Satan.

Save yourself. Your opinion means nothing to me. You've already shown you aren't too bright.

Those who don't

Do whatever you want to do. Your charity ends when YOUR money runs out. That does not give you the right to force how I spend mine. BTW, do you know what hypocrisy means? Maybe you should look it up in the bible.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You really aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you? What part of none of your business don't you understand?

Save yourself. Your opinion means nothing to me. You've already shown you aren't too bright.

Do whatever you want to do. Your charity ends when YOUR money runs out. That does not give you the right to force how I spend mine. BTW, do you know what hypocrisy means? Maybe you should look it up in the bible.

I don't follow your satanic bible that teaches what you believe. I follow The Bible of God, not your demonic "bible". Government authority has the right to impose taxes (render to Ceasar, what is Ceasar's) and can also enforce the laws of the land which can be in accordance with God's law as stated in His Word/Bible. Hence you can be forced to house the homeless and feed the poor through taxation, whether you like it or not.

 

[Concerned American]

I don't follow your satanic bible that teaches what you believe.

You don't know anything about me hypocrite. Run down the road and find someone else to judge. I have done just fine and don't need your approval.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You don't know anything about me hypocrite. Run down the road and find someone else to judge. I have done just fine and don't need your approval.

Your satanic false god and bible is worthless. The only true God, is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and His written Word is the Holy Bible. According to the true God, and His written Word, His people must feed the hungry, clothe the naked and house the homeless. Those who refuse to do that, are disobeying God and following their false god, the devil, not Jesus.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

If we were truly living in a civilized, responsible society, most of these "poor souls", wouldn't be in their current precarious predicament. You flippantly and cynically dehumanizing these people, throwing them under the bus, and reducing them to mere cats and dogs, doesn't make you very "responsible" or enlightened. Perhaps sociopaths like yourself should be "snipped snipped"? Yes indeed.

Anti-Social Socialists

By obnoxiously caring so much for these worthless selfish pests, you reveal that what is really motivating you is your contempt for normal Americans.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Have you seen what’s going on in San Francisco? Defecating on the streets is a big problem. We need to round these people up and put them in forced housing, with counselors.

Chain Gangs for These Lazy Crybabies

 

[TruthNotBS]

Anti-Social Socialists

By obnoxiously caring so much for these worthless selfish pests, you reveal that what is really motivating you is your contempt for normal Americans.

These "pests" fell through the cracks and are your fellow human beings, made in the image of God. Tough love should be applied and that doesn't imply abandoning them. If you're worried about tax dollars, well we spend more on the homeless when we leave them out to rot on our streets. From a fiscally conservative perspective, it's much more cost-effective to simply house them, and provide them with the public services that they need to get back on their feet.

I would've gotten off the street much sooner, if our society at the time, would've done that, but unfortunately, people like you ensure our government doesn't do that. I was lucky because I have VA benefits. Most homeless people don't have that. I had to fall into the lap of the federal government and its VA system to get help. Local and state governments abandoned me. Christian missions demanded I join a "discipleship program" when I wasn't religious at the time. Where is the help then? It has to be our government (a divine institution originally created by God and His angels).

It's simple to eliminate homelessness in America and substance abuse. Make drug dealing a capital crime, execute dealers, and force drug addicts into rehab. Institutionalize the addicts into treatment, either in a drug rehab program or a psych ward. Those who decide as I did, to get clean and sober, get basic housing (a small efficiency). Who in their right mind, wants to remain living in a basic efficiency, for the rest of their life, without improving their standard of living and getting an actual apartment? There might be a few idiots, who will opt to live in a tiny studio, ignoring countless opportunities, and programs. etc (to get an education, job training), and raise their standard of living, but the vast majority of people will choose to grow and make something of their lives. They'll at least get a job, to make some money.

People need a foundation upon which to build their lives. If they don't get that from their parents (as you and your children were fortunate enough to have Lisa), then society can recognize the need for such a foundation and provide it to someone as a right, for being a member of that society. Lisa needs to study her Torah because she's a bit confused about what Hashem commands with respect to the God-given rights of the poor. Read your Bible Lisa. Are you a religious Jew? A member of the chosen nation of Hashem? No excuse for such ignorance.

I AM MY BROTHER'S KEEPER..

Gen 4:9 And YHWH said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: am I my brother's keeper?

The satanic spirit of Cain. "Am I my brother's keeper?"....yes you are. ​

 

[nomadic5]

i haven't read all posts here but Christian Man keeps saying House the Homeless..

but I have yet to see what that plan looks like.

I've had the same thought.. just provide housing.. It seems to me govt spends $$ on all kinds of damn things that make no sense at all and benefit only a few, usually people who already have a freaking home.

Why can't govt or private people build simple buildings with individual rooms for privacy.. maybe some mini house or whatever... and pay showers or whatever... like they have at some campgrounds.. Anyone can afford $2 for a shower... maybe $4 or $5 for a room and that way maintenance could be paid for.. No one would make a lot of money off this but oh well... does it always have to be about $$?

I mean the govt wastes so much of the taxpayers' money on stupid stuff... and homelessness just goes on and on forever...

 

[Concerned American]

If you're worried about tax dollars,

If you feel the need to assuage your guilty feelings that arise from your own stupidity, feel free. Spend all you want. When you dig into others pockets to make them ease your guilt, then it ends. Cracks don't exist. I live in an area where ANYONE can have three to five full meals plus groceries for them to prepare for themselves EVERY day. If you are too stoned or stupid to take advantage of this largesse, my tax dollars won't help you either.

 

[TruthNotBS]

If you feel the need to assuage your guilty feelings that arise from your own stupidity, feel free. Spend all you want. When you dig into others pockets to make them ease your guilt, then it ends. Cracks don't exist. I live in an area where ANYONE can have three to five full meals plus groceries for them to prepare for themselves EVERY day. If you are too stoned or stupid to take advantage of this largesse, my tax dollars won't help you either.

The government has the right to dig into your pocket and extract taxes. Homelessness costs society more than resolving it. In your rancor, you speak nonsense and pretend to be immune from paying taxes and meeting your obligations to your fellow man. Since your god is demonic, I'm not surprised you're suffering from such a strong delusion, believing you're not obligated to take the homeless off the street. You need to start reading The Holy Bible:

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And stop reading this one:

 

[TruthNotBS]

i haven't read all posts here but Christian Man keeps saying House the Homeless..

but I have yet to see what that plan looks like.

I've had the same thought.. just provide housing.. It seems to me govt spends $$ on all kinds of damn things that make no sense at all and benefit only a few, usually people who already have a freaking home.

Why can't govt or private people build simple buildings with individual rooms for privacy.. maybe some mini house or whatever... and pay showers or whatever... like they have at some campgrounds.. Anyone can afford $2 for a shower... maybe $4 or $5 for a room and that way maintenance could be paid for.. No one would make a lot of money off this but oh well... does it always have to be about $$?

I mean the govt wastes so much of the taxpayers' money on stupid stuff... and homelessness just goes on and on forever...

You have no problem, with this:

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13	Southern Company	$3,783,360,569	130
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18	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
19	Stellantis	$2,800,442,867	230
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56	Corning Inc.	$1,272,628,059	395
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59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
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61	Microsoft	$1,153,690,869	103
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77	Centene	$875,064,432	54
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86	Wolfspeed Inc.	$773,681,732	88
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92	Bank of America	$698,760,073	919
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96	Hyannis Air Service Inc.	$667,928,778	296
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98	Sagamore Development	$660,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy

No one is complaining about the wealthy parasites getting their public bailout money or Israel getting billions of dollars a year to help them out. How about we house the homeless here in America? That's what the God of the Bible wants.

I didn't say just house them. Read what I said. It's not just housing people, even when they're addicted to drugs. It's a program, similar to the one I went through over 20 years ago, through the VA.

 

[Concerned American]

The government has the right to dig into your pocket and extract taxes. Homelessness costs society more than resolving it. In your rancor, you speak nonsense and pretend to be immune from paying taxes and meeting your obligations to your fellow man. Since your god is demonic, I'm not surprised you're suffering from such a strong delusion, believing you're not obligated to take the homeless off the street. You need to start reading The Holy Bible:

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And stop reading this one:

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Maybe you should start paying attention to the messages of the bible instead of making up your own, hypocrite. You ever hear the verse, Let the one without sin cast the first stone? Do you understand the meaning of judge not and ye shall not be judged. Run along little hypocrite dope addict. I've no time for falsely "reborn" Christians.