Beer, Cigarettes & Marijuana -- What's the difference?

[Foxfyre]

In the case of the train, the engineer ignored the speed limit and blew through a red light. Would that have happened if he had not been high on pot? We don't know. But it has to be held up as a strong possibility.

Why? Because correlation always implies causation? How do they even know he was stoned at the time of the accident?

If you don't know the answers to these questions after all that has been posted in this thread thus far, I doubt anything I could say further would make one whits bit of difference here. So I'll such refer you to read the thread again. If you don't find your answer, well. . . .

 

[Cal]

Prove that.



peace...

Disprove it........



pieces............

It's an Absurd Claim... Pot has been Involved in MANY Deaths, just as Booze...

Should People be Allowed to Drive High?...

Please.



peace...

Link?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

What do you do?

How about completing the question, such as;

What do you do for a living?

or

What do you do for fun?

or

What do you do for a Klondike bar?

Just give me something to go on so that I can answer your question.

He might be asking whether you do beer, cigarettes and/or marijuana. WHatever we do, we can't blame THC for diminished capacity.

And you're right, that might be. But I don't know for sure until he decides to finish asking the question.

If that is his question, my answer would be that I smoke like a chimney. But I've never gotten high enough from cigarettes to be a danger to myself or others. What the future holds is only up to fate.

 

[Mr Natural]

Beer and cigarettes are readily available at the local convenience store.

Marijuana is not.

 

[saveliberty]

Beer and cigarettes are readily available at the local convenience store.

Marijuana is not.

You have to ask at the checkout.

 

[JBeukema]

Beer and cigarettes are readily available at the local convenience store.

Marijuana is not.

Maybe not where you live...

 

[Philobeado]

A friend of mine died from lung cancer at age 47. He was a heavy pot smoker and didn't smoke tobacco. I've read that marijuana smoke is actually more cancer-causing than tobacco.

 

[ABikerSailor]

A friend of mine died from lung cancer at age 47. He was a heavy pot smoker and didn't smoke tobacco. I've read that marijuana smoke is actually more cancer-causing than tobacco.

British Medical Society did a comparison between 3 groups.

Cigarette smokers only, non smokers, and pot only smokers. When they compared the 3 groups?

People who didn't smoke were the control group. People who smoked were 21 times more likely to contract lung cancer than those that didn't.

People who smoked only cannabis were compared to the non smokers. The results were the cannabis smokers were 0.93 to 0.73 percent as likely to get lung cancer as those who didn't smoke at all, which means a LESS chance.

But, cancer can be caused by many other factors as well, starting with genetics.

 

[Foxfyre]

Rebuttal to the unnamed and undated "British medical study" (emphasis mine):

Pot Vs. Tobacco
"Medicinal" Marijuana More Toxic Than Cigarettes

It's a little noticed paradox: The push to impose more restrictions on cigarettes while simultaneously liberalizing access to so-called "medical" marijuana. Fortunately, there's broad consensus on the dangers tobacco poses to your heart, lungs, skin, bones, brain and even reproductive health. Yet marijuana smoke is far more carcinogenic and damaging to the lungs. But it's dubbed "medicine," which is supposed to treat, not promote disease. Consider these statistics:

One marijuana joint is as damaging as seven cigarettes, according to one British Lung Foundation study.

Like tobacco, marijuana is genotoxic (e.g., capable of damaging genetic material, thus creating errors in DNA replication that can eventually lead to tumor growth).
The tar (condensable residue in smoke) from marijuana has 50% more carcinogens than tobacco tar.

Regular cannabis smokers can develop lung problems as much as 20 years earlier than their tobacco smoking counterparts, according to a study in the journal Respirology. On average, pot smokers developed lung disease by 41 years of age, vs. 65 years of age for tobacco smokers. . . .

More here:
POT vs. TOBACCO

Does this exaggerate the toxicity of cannabis? I don't know. I suspect maybe it does. But it is NOT the benign harmless substance that the pro-legalization crowd seems to want to believe.

 

[ABikerSailor]

First off, it's sponsored by a corporation. I rarely trust what corporations put out.

Second, it states that cannabis is addictive. Harvard Medical, as well as several other REPUTABLE, ACTUAL MEDICAL CENTERS, have stated (after much research) that it is not physically addictive.

I see you're keeping the streak of being wrong going well, Fox Failure.

 

[Misty]

I would rather live a short fun life than a long miserable life.

I still have that choice and I'm going to have fun.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Get your facts straight and then maybe we can talk. No one died from a marijuana related incident? Really? Link please.

Ok, since you seem to know what the number is, please provide. This is where I got my info: Annual Causes of Death in the United States | Drug War Facts

i knew a dude that was stoned and fell to his death....i am sure weed is harmless....i mean how could a drug harm you....and holding smoke in your lungs...perfectly normal....

I knew a guy whose ex-wife's son by a prior marriage dated a girl whose father-in-law once saw a lady fart while looking over the side of a cruise ship and fall to her watery grave. My question is, what was the proximate cause of her death, the beans she had for dinner or the wine?

 

[Foxfyre]

First off, it's sponsored by a corporation. I rarely trust what corporations put out.

Second, it states that cannabis is addictive. Harvard Medical, as well as several other REPUTABLE, ACTUAL MEDICAL CENTERS, have stated (after much research) that it is not physically addictive.

I see you're keeping the streak of being wrong going well, Fox Failure.

A corporation with absolutely no dog in the fight and therefore no compelling reason to misstate their position.

At least I cited a link. You didn't.

Here's another rebuttal with a link. You probably won't like the source any better but it does cite specific studies that can be follow up:

Long-term effects of marijuana use

Increased risk of cancer
Respiratory problems: coughing and wheezing
Increased risk of heart attack
Weakening of the immune system
Problems with learning, attention, and memory
Emotional and behavioral problems
Addiction in predisposed individuals, more often among teens
Adverse effects on pregnancy
Social problems among teenagers

The use of marijuana among teens is now rapidly escalating in the most industrialized nations. It is well known that there are many adults who “enjoy” a smoke once or twice a week without any major health consequences. It is the minority of heavy users who have lost control and whose physical and mental health is seriously damaged.
How "minor" is this minority, though?

According to recent statistics of the•US National Institute of Drug Abuse (NIDA), there were an estimated 2.1 million Americans who started using marijuana in 1998; more than 72.0 million Americans (1/3 of the US population) 12 years and older have tried marijuana at least once in their lifetimes and more than 120,000 people undergoing treatment. In 1999, the•Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA) pointed out that 88,000 teens had been admitted for treatment for marijuana, more than those treated for any other drug or alcohol. In Minneapolis/ St. Paul half of the admitted were under 18. Other scientists believe that there were many more teenage users needing treatment than what was previously thought.

Data provided by the NIDA also showed that between 1991 and 1999 the percentage of 8th- and 10th- graders who have used marijuana had increased twice. The Emergency Department mentions of marijuana use increase in many US states with the highest percent increase among the 12- to 17-year-olds. Juvenile arrests testing positive for marijuana ranged from a low of 40% to 63% in US.
Poisonous Plants: Cannabis (Cannabis sativa)

 

[Foxfyre]

Here, I'll even follow up on one of the sources cited for you:

Combination of Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy and Motivational Incentives Enhance Treatment for Marijuana Addiction
For Release April 1, 2006

New research supported by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), National Institutes of Health, indicates that people who are trying to end their addiction to marijuana can benefit from a treatment program that combines motivational incentives with cognitive-behavioral therapy. The study is published in the April 2006 issue of the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology.

"Demand for effective treatments for marijuana addiction increased significantly in the United States during the 1990s," says NIDA Director Dr. Nora D. Volkow. "Marijuana remains one of the most widely used drugs of abuse. Heavy use of the drug impairs a person's ability to form memories, recall events, and shift attention from one thing to another. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illnesses, and a heightened risk of lung infections. Thus, treatments to reduce and eliminate marijuana abuse will offer substantial public health benefits." . . . .


NIDA - Newsroom - Combination of Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy and Motivational Incentives Enhance Treatment for Marijuana Addiction

 

[JBeukema]

If I want to use a product I know causes cancer, shouldn't I be allowed to enjoy my smokable plants, my diet cola, my plastic containers, my weedless garden, my home that's free of pests, my sexy suntan, my favorite shampoo, my 12 hours of body odour protection my countertops cleaned with agent orange [dioxin], my favorite hot dogs, my whole-milk mocha, my BBQd meats [oh no, take BBQs off the market- it forms benzopyrene when you grill your meat!]- my LIFE and accept the risk that comes with it?


Carcinogens At Home

Carcinogens everyday toxins, foods, houses, petroleum, Carcinogens in your house

The list of carcinogens - wikiCancer

Wei Zheng, Deborah R Gustafson, Rashmi Sinha, James R Cerhan, et al. "Well-done meat intake and the risk of breast cancer." Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Oxford: Nov 18, 1998.Vol. 90, Iss. 22; pg. 1724, 6 pgs.


Food Standards Agency - Acrylamide

 

[JBeukema]

If they've no dog in the fight, why take an official position on this particular issue?

Look for ties to other businesses and groups.

 

[ABikerSailor]

First off, it's sponsored by a corporation. I rarely trust what corporations put out.

Second, it states that cannabis is addictive. Harvard Medical, as well as several other REPUTABLE, ACTUAL MEDICAL CENTERS, have stated (after much research) that it is not physically addictive.

I see you're keeping the streak of being wrong going well, Fox Failure.

A corporation with absolutely no dog in the fight and therefore no compelling reason to misstate their position.

At least I cited a link. You didn't.

Here's another rebuttal with a link. You probably won't like the source any better but it does cite specific studies that can be follow up:

Long-term effects of marijuana use

Increased risk of cancer
Respiratory problems: coughing and wheezing
Increased risk of heart attack
Weakening of the immune system
Problems with learning, attention, and memory
Emotional and behavioral problems
Addiction in predisposed individuals, more often among teens
Adverse effects on pregnancy
Social problems among teenagers

The use of marijuana among teens is now rapidly escalating in the most industrialized nations. It is well known that there are many adults who “enjoy” a smoke once or twice a week without any major health consequences. It is the minority of heavy users who have lost control and whose physical and mental health is seriously damaged.
How "minor" is this minority, though?

According to recent statistics of the•US National Institute of Drug Abuse (NIDA), there were an estimated 2.1 million Americans who started using marijuana in 1998; more than 72.0 million Americans (1/3 of the US population) 12 years and older have tried marijuana at least once in their lifetimes and more than 120,000 people undergoing treatment. In 1999, the•Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA) pointed out that 88,000 teens had been admitted for treatment for marijuana, more than those treated for any other drug or alcohol. In Minneapolis/ St. Paul half of the admitted were under 18. Other scientists believe that there were many more teenage users needing treatment than what was previously thought.

Data provided by the NIDA also showed that between 1991 and 1999 the percentage of 8th- and 10th- graders who have used marijuana had increased twice. The Emergency Department mentions of marijuana use increase in many US states with the highest percent increase among the 12- to 17-year-olds. Juvenile arrests testing positive for marijuana ranged from a low of 40% to 63% in US.
Poisonous Plants: Cannabis (Cannabis sativa)

You can't be so stupid that you actually believe that a corporation is going to present "facts" without any slant concerning the views of their CEO's. If you are, I feel sorry for you.

In the military, I was a Navy Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor for 8 years before I retired. I'm very familiar with the effects and studies done with cannabis. Had to be, was part of my job.

Most people who are against the legalization of cannabis don't even know half of what the government had done regarding it's research. In the 1960's/70's, the government took military people and made them smoke lots of pot for research.

They also don't realize that the original reason that pot was made illegal is because of an FBI racist named Anslinger who didn't like brown or black people, and was searching for a way to lock them all up legally.

Since they were the larges consumers of cannabis, Anslinger decided to make it illegal as a way to lock up the non-whites, thus bringing about the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act.

In the 70's, Nixon wanted to start a full scale drug war against cannabis, and so commissioned scientists to find out about it. He commissioned a study called the Laguardia Report. When it spoke favorably about cannabis use, Nixon threw it in the trash.

Might wanna brush up on some actual facts before failing again dude. Anyone can find a link on the 'net that looks legit but is full of bullshit. Dole pineapple is not someone that I would consider a legitimate authority on the subject. They know pineapples, not pot.

As far as the study concerning kids and cannabis? Yep. It's right. Why? Kids' brains aren't fully developed until they are in their late teens or early 20's, and smoking cannabis before that could have an adverse effect on their personality.

On the flip side though...........people with Alzheimer's disease have plaque buildup between their synapses. Cannabis amps up the power in the brain so that more of the signal can get through. Medical research has proven this already.

Autistic people have too much energy running in their brain and it spikes on occasion, which is why they freak out......too much input.

Cannabis levels this out and helps them to remain calm. It has also shown a great deal of promise for treating PTSD as well.

What else you got fruit salad boy?

 

[froggy]

One has no tax on it.

 

[WillowTree]

A friend of mine died from lung cancer at age 47. He was a heavy pot smoker and didn't smoke tobacco. I've read that marijuana smoke is actually more cancer-causing than tobacco.

smoke one marijuana cigarette and you have smoke a pack of cigarettes.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Here, I'll even follow up on one of the sources cited for you:

Combination of Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy and Motivational Incentives Enhance Treatment for Marijuana Addiction
For Release April 1, 2006

New research supported by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), National Institutes of Health, indicates that people who are trying to end their addiction to marijuana can benefit from a treatment program that combines motivational incentives with cognitive-behavioral therapy. The study is published in the April 2006 issue of the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology.

"Demand for effective treatments for marijuana addiction increased significantly in the United States during the 1990s," says NIDA Director Dr. Nora D. Volkow. "Marijuana remains one of the most widely used drugs of abuse. Heavy use of the drug impairs a person's ability to form memories, recall events, and shift attention from one thing to another. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illnesses, and a heightened risk of lung infections. Thus, treatments to reduce and eliminate marijuana abuse will offer substantial public health benefits." . . . .


NIDA - Newsroom - Combination of Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy and Motivational Incentives Enhance Treatment for Marijuana Addiction

Hey.....dipshit.........I told you that it wasn't PHYSICALLY addictive.

And, for the record, you can become psychologically addicted to just about anything....porn, people, sex, etc.