Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilet

[KMAN]

Seriously.... Is this really what Democrats want? Or do they care?

The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets | Mail Online

 

[KittenKoder]

This is what everyone wants really ... it seems.

 

[bodecea]

Well, if they keep closing hospitals here because they go under for unpaid emergency room visits by the uninsured, we may get there yet even if nothing new is introduced in Washington.

 

[KittenKoder]

Well, if they keep closing hospitals here because they go under for unpaid emergency room visits by the uninsured, we may get there yet even if nothing new is introduced in Washington.

Wow ... so do you support them going under because there isn't enough tax dollars to pay for the visits instead?

 

[American Horse]

This is what everyone wants really ... it seems.

Right...and we want some of this too, right next door, in
CANADA

The Canucks can't be too happy with our leaving them no where to go by joining them. The "rich and famous" will always have their own "system;" elsewise, where would the politicians and celebs (Hollywood) go to get theirs?

This Obama-plan is just for the rest-of-us ....

 

[KittenKoder]

This is what everyone wants really ... it seems.

Right...and we want some of this too, right next door, in
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo1RymX9GZc"]CANADA [/ame]

The Canucks can't be too happy with our leaving them no where to go by joining them. The "rich and famous" will always have their own "system;" elsewise, where would the politicians and celebs (Hollywood) go to get theirs?

This Obama-plan is just for the rest-of-us ....

Who said I liked Obama's plan?

 

[Ravi]

Actually, it is from a shortage of midwives.

Looks like some good job opportunities in GB.

 

[DavidS]

Please... you guys should go spend a day or two in an ER in a poor neighborhood, like South Chicago. Then you'll see how fucked up our healthcare system is.

You look hard enough, you'll find horror stories with every healthcare system in the world. People have bled to death in US ER's waiting for doctors, have had to wait behind the rich people who are paying top dollar for cat scans while the tumors in their heads grow to the size of grapefruits. Pregnancy is considered a pre-existing condition if you get pregnant before you get health insurance. The entire pregnancy won't be covered by health insurance at all. So all the required vitamins, doctors visits, tests, etc. to make sure the baby is healthy won't be covered one bit.

 

[KittenKoder]

Please... you guys should go spend a day or two in an ER in a poor neighborhood, like South Chicago. Then you'll see how fucked up our healthcare system is.

You look hard enough, you'll find horror stories with every healthcare system in the world. People have bled to death in US ER's waiting for doctors, have had to wait behind the rich people who are paying top dollar for cat scans while the tumors in their heads grow to the size of grapefruits. Pregnancy is considered a pre-existing condition if you get pregnant before you get health insurance. The entire pregnancy won't be covered by health insurance at all. So all the required vitamins, doctors visits, tests, etc. to make sure the baby is healthy won't be covered one bit.

You assume way too much.

 

[American Horse]

This is what everyone wants really ... it seems.

Right...and we want some of this too, right next door, in CANADA.

The Canucks can't be too happy with our leaving them no where to go by joining them. The "rich and famous" will always have their own "system;" elsewise, where would the politicians and celebs (Hollywood) go to get theirs?

This Obama-plan is just for the rest-of-us ....

Who said I liked Obama's plan?

Not me!

Dr. Day says "We have over a million people waiting for surgery, and probably another million waiting to see the specialist before they get to wait for the surgery, and that's out of a population of 34-million people"

He also says "The biggest problem is access, and by access I mean, in the Canadian system the first line of defense for a sick patient is the family doctor and out of a population of 33-million, five million Canadians do not have a family doctor."
This means they are being denied access to the system, much like a proportional number of Americans are "being denied."

I think I'd rather be in our situation than theirs.

 

[paperview]

Right...and we want some of this too, right next door, in CANADA.

The Canucks can't be too happy with our leaving them no where to go by joining them. The "rich and famous" will always have their own "system;" elsewise, where would the politicians and celebs (Hollywood) go to get theirs?

This Obama-plan is just for the rest-of-us ....

Who said I liked Obama's plan?

Not me!

Dr. Day says "We have over a million people waiting for surgery, and probably another million waiting to see the specialist before they get to wait for the surgery, and that's out of a population of 34-million people"

He also says "The biggest problem is access, and by access I mean, in the Canadian system the first line of defense for a sick patient is the family doctor and out of a population of 33-million, five million Canadians do not have a family doctor."
This means they are being denied access to the system, much like a proportional number of Americans are "being denied."

I think I'd rather be in our situation than theirs.

Isn't that interesting. The Dr. Day you quote is pushing for an UK-style service-based funding for Canada, not an American approach.

Go figure.

 

[KittenKoder]

Right...and we want some of this too, right next door, in CANADA.

The Canucks can't be too happy with our leaving them no where to go by joining them. The "rich and famous" will always have their own "system;" elsewise, where would the politicians and celebs (Hollywood) go to get theirs?

This Obama-plan is just for the rest-of-us ....

Who said I liked Obama's plan?

Not me!

Dr. Day says "We have over a million people waiting for surgery, and probably another million waiting to see the specialist before they get to wait for the surgery, and that's out of a population of 34-million people"

He also says "The biggest problem is access, and by access I mean, in the Canadian system the first line of defense for a sick patient is the family doctor and out of a population of 33-million, five million Canadians do not have a family doctor."
This means they are being denied access to the system, much like a proportional number of Americans are "being denied."

I think I'd rather be in our situation than theirs.

The people who really think the government can just dictate how much the companies charge while still forcing them to pay outrageous filing fees with the FDA would drive the price down are morons. The only viable solution is to allow capitalism to take over, get rid of the FDA, that would drive costs down fast, then a government option wouldn't bankrupt our country like Obama's plan will.

 

[American Horse]

Who said I liked Obama's plan?

Not me!

Dr. Day says "We have over a million people waiting for surgery, and probably another million waiting to see the specialist before they get to wait for the surgery, and that's out of a population of 34-million people"

He also says "The biggest problem is access, and by access I mean, in the Canadian system the first line of defense for a sick patient is the family doctor and out of a population of 33-million, five million Canadians do not have a family doctor."
This means they are being denied access to the system, much like a proportional number of Americans are "being denied."

Isn't that interesting. The Dr. Day you quote is pushing for an UK-style service-based funding for Canada, not an American approach.

Go figure.

I'm aware of that and I for one am not surprised. He seems to still be an idealist who believes they can fix it, theirs I mean. And fixing it there will be easier for them if we don't become like them. But maybe not if you consider that their situation will become even more intolerable than it is now once they don't have another place to go, just across their Southern border.

I think I'd rather be in our present situation than theirs.

 

[American Horse]

The people who really think the government can just dictate how much the companies charge while still forcing them to pay outrageous filing fees with the FDA would drive the price down are morons. The only viable solution is to allow capitalism to take over, get rid of the FDA, that would drive costs down fast, then a government option wouldn't bankrupt our country like Obama's plan will.

I waver between believing that this variety of left "liberal" (These guys give a bad odor to the word "liberal" since they are nothing more than "statists") just don't comprehend incentives; that they simply are in denial that incentives exist, that they believe they can create an overarching system that will make incentives irrelevant, or that they can live with whatever happens since they expect to rise above it all by being "special" people.

 

[Care4all]

We need to have it like Japan's system, where there are no wait times....the only way to do this is work on increasing the supply of Doctors, nurses, hospitals....to meet the demand...

 

[American Horse]

We need to have it like Japan's system, where there are no wait times....the only way to do this is work on increasing the supply of Doctors, nurses, hospitals....to meet the demand...

That would be great. But the system as planned will take away any incentive to be a doctor or a specialist, except for those who will put monetary award above noble interests, thinking they will "practice" in that higher tier in our coming two tier system. A few people who would've made decent plumbers will rise to being mediocre doctors.

Edit that: there will be lots of doctors with names more common to the Indian sub-continent. We will effectively have exported our practice of medicine.

 

[logical4u]

Well, if they keep closing hospitals here because they go under for unpaid emergency room visits by the uninsured, we may get there yet even if nothing new is introduced in Washington.

Wow ... so do you support them going under because there isn't enough tax dollars to pay for the visits instead?

Okay, the uninsured can pay for their own visits. They choose not too.
We don't need this health "care" reform.
We do need health "insurance" reform.
We do need "tort" reform.
We do need to assist citizens in finding insurance for health care.
We could use tax breaks for health care costs.
We could use health savings accounts.
We could use limiting illegal aliens to one treatment per alien, THEN SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN. (If their children are citizens, they can come back when they are grown)
We could use a program that assists medical students with paying for college, maybe by working in public clinics in exchange for college dollars.

Notice that none of the above are being encouraged by the left leaning congress. It is all about taking from one group and giving to another (minus a handling fee of 20 - 80%). It will not help anyone's health "care" to have the gov run it.

 

[Care4all]

Seriously.... Is this really what Democrats want? Or do they care?

The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets | Mail Online

I'd rather have the Japanese system where if you need a doctor's appointment, you can get in to see him/her the same day.

 

[American Horse]

Well, if they keep closing hospitals here because they go under for unpaid emergency room visits by the uninsured, we may get there yet even if nothing new is introduced in Washington.

Wow ... so do you support them going under because there isn't enough tax dollars to pay for the visits instead?

Okay, the uninsured can pay for their own visits. They choose not too.
We don't need this health "care" reform.
We do need health "insurance" reform.
We do need "tort" reform.
We do need to assist citizens in finding insurance for health care.
We could use tax breaks for health care costs.
We could use health savings accounts.
We could use limiting illegal aliens to one treatment per alien, THEN SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN. (If their children are citizens, they can come back when they are grown)
We could use a program that assists medical students with paying for college, maybe by working in public clinics in exchange for college dollars.

Notice that none of the above are being encouraged by the left leaning congress. It is all about taking from one group and giving to another (minus a handling fee of 20 - 80%). It will not help anyone's health "care" to have the gov run it.

Excellent solutions, but again, since these approaches would actually help, none of them are advanced or allowed to be seriously considered. Repubs do suggest them, always have many of them, but to ridicule by an obedient and invested MSM. It just shows that we in this country are beyond any logical intelligent discussion of issues, having been totally let down by our information media. The outrage from our seniors attending these town-hall events will help to bring some reality to this, for them, crisis.

 

[American Horse]

Seriously.... Is this really what Democrats want? Or do they care?

The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets | Mail Online

I'd rather have the Japanese system where if you need a doctor's appointment, you can get in to see him/her the same day.

Anyone in this country for a nominal fee can walk into a neighborhood clinic and see a doctor for whatever ails them. Our own local clinic (and there are 4 in our county of 100,000) charges $49.35 for an office visit for which any number of health problems will be diagnosed; or a specialist recomended and scheduled within hours to a few days. Being a walk in clinic a doctor will be seen in less than a half hour; my wait times have been less than 15 minutes.

Edit: I realize these don't exist in some areas, ghetto areas for instance. But our tax structure is capable of incentivizing their establishment in any area of urban blight where local sons and daughters, who may or may not be doctors, would be excited about setting them up - think TAX CREDITS (cash refunds)