Battle of Bakhmud won by Russia

Kruska said:
Hm.. I didn't know that - you sure that you are not mixing it up with Kherson?

Yes, will certainly cost a lot of Russian lives and I doubt that the RF has sufficient forces and supplies, to exploit a breakthrough as Zelinsky tries to propagate in order to hide his true agenda "No Ukrainian city is going to be occupied and taken by Russia anymore"
There is more and more opposition towards Zelinsky arising in Ukraine - and a "promise" such as above, might just provide the noose around his neck. It isn't just Putin that is being constantly speculated about in regards to whatever form of abdication.

They are doing it already - an estimated 300,000 new cannon fodder. It seems to be only unpopular in big cities that naturally harbor liberal's far more then the rural areas.
A recent survey conducted in the hope to find a negative reply - showed that 70% of Russia's population are in support of this war ah.. special mili.....

Well - that's just speculation

That would also include the Ukraine to be a totally wasted country for decades to come - I do not believe that e.g. the EU is going to blindly finance the rebuild without solid guarantees of Russia and Ukraine not going to war with each other again.

Agree

Agree - but Ukraine also got nothing big or significant to offer.

I don't believe that the Ukraine-Russian war is of any significance towards the USA or NATO's learning process towards e.g. China. These two are just way too backward to provide any significant military revelations towards a major high-tech and modern warfare war involving China.

Maybe, but controlling Ukraine is essential towards Russia's survival - so it depends in what stage of survival Russia "will" resort to nukes, not necessarily Russian territory being threatened directly.
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Attitudes in Russia are changing.
Soldiers (conscripted) have been sneaking cell phones to the front lines in Ukraine and calling home to friends and family.

Between the dead and disabled and the ones calling home to report conditions and training and equipment....attitudes are changing quickly.

The Russian people have been afraid of their government for so long its habitual at this point....
But that doesn't mean that they don't really understand what is happening...they don't have the courage to do anything about it...but they don't hate the west.
 
skye said:
It's almost over for Zelensky The Corrupt Comedian turned President........ there is no ammunition left for the Ukranian forces, among many other things...it's bad.

Bakhmud is gone....but....really.... not only Bakhmud, many parts of Ukraine are too....If Zelensky cares about his country and his people, he should tell his soldiers to surrender and save their lives... he should talk PEACE with Russia ....that is of course if he cares.....but does he?

The same goes to NATO and idiotic Biden.
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How many more years will it take Russia to win this one battle for a small town with no people in it?
 
JohnDB said:
Attitudes in Russia are changing.
Soldiers (conscripted) have been sneaking cell phones to the front lines in Ukraine and calling home to friends and family.

Between the dead and disabled and the ones calling home to report conditions and training and equipment....attitudes are changing quickly.

The Russian people have been afraid of their government for so long its habitual at this point....
But that doesn't mean that they don't really understand what is happening...they don't have the courage to do anything about it...but they don't hate the west.
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Too much biased speculation on your side - and therefore you are IMO too one-sided in this issue. Speculations should go or apply in both directions

Fact is; the vast majority of Russians are aware that the outcome of the Ukraine issue is vital for the existence of Russia, a Russia that again in majority is favored in its present sociopolitical layout.
Fact is; the vast majority of Ukrainians do not want to be ruled by Russia and are therefore willing to put up resistance. Up to what degree?

Fact is; that 20-25% of Ukraine's territory are under Russian occupation/control, now since almost 14 month. Zelinsky has been promising/propagating a free Ukraine now for 14 month without ever coming close to such a scenario. Ukrainian's in vast majority are living in desolate conditions now for 14 month, 25% of their population living outside of their country and another 40% displaced within their own country, more then 60% without a job and regular income. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian children having been deported to Russia - leaving desperate parents and relatives behind.

More and more of their draftees are getting younger and younger - and due to Ukraine's corrupt culture - it is the "underprivileged" that are being sacrificed. Ukrainian losses are getting far higher then in the first 6 month. All of this is something that Ukraine has not much experience in at all - in contra to Russians.

So placing this in perspective; the majority of Ukrainians are certainly without question longing for the time before the war, they are likely to be ready to accept a ceasefire/peace proposal even if
it beholds the present loss of territory. The only ones clearly objecting to this in majority are NATO, Zelinsky and his friends in the middle to upper class. (less then 10% of Ukraine's population).
Because the latter ones are those, rightfully fearing to loose their $ and privileges. Something that the vast majority of Ukrainian's have already lost or never had.

The chances therefore for a civilian unrest in Ukraine, including a political change of direction, are far higher then the same happening in Russia.
Russian's aside those having lost family-members or having to take care of wounded, crippled family members, are nowhere near to the personal or economic suffering that Ukrainians are now experiencing for 14 month. Ukrainian's are therefore being exposed to relentless false propaganda, far more then Russians are.

And this very likely "revolution" in Ukraine is IMO exactly what Putin is betting on. Independent of NATO maybe reducing it's support towards Ukraine.
 
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The net is full of videos from Ukraine, in which men are grabbed by force on the streets to be sent to the front as cannon fodder. And when they want to surrender, not wanting to die for the thieving, fascist regime, they are shot in the back:
 
De-Nulandization, continued
Yes, this is what Twitter does: third-party shadow- banning, third-party shadow-sanitizing.
 
JohnDB said:
Attitudes in Russia are changing.
Soldiers (conscripted) have been sneaking cell phones to the front lines in Ukraine and calling home to friends and family.

Between the dead and disabled and the ones calling home to report conditions and training and equipment....attitudes are changing quickly.

The Russian people have been afraid of their government for so long its habitual at this point....
But that doesn't mean that they don't really understand what is happening...they don't have the courage to do anything about it...but they don't hate the west.
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The ugly battle of Bakhmud is nearing its end my friends...

But you knew this several days ago, whem I opened this thread.



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Sunni Man said:
Anyone that thinks Russia isn't going to win the war against Ukraine is seriously deluded. ... :cuckoo:
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What's really nuts is that it's taken Russia this long and they still haven't won anything significant yet.

Why are you rooting for a Communist dictator invading a sovereign nation in order to steal its resources?

We'll send Russia to your house next....mmmmmkkaayyyy?
 
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