Battle of Bakhmud won by Russia

[braalian]

You can say that again

and again

and again....

Why do you support Russia so much?

 

[BackAgain]

*yawn*

and bye boring

Witty comeback.

Fire your writers.

 

[skye]

Witty comeback.

Fire your writers.

That answer is good enough to put you on ignore....who wants to waste time with....these.....with these ...lol people? LOL

 

[Bleipriester]

The ugly battle of Bakhmud is nearing its end my friends...

But you knew this several days ago, whem I opened this thread.

MSN

They are drawing up incredible casualties again.

 

[Sunni Man]

What's really nuts is that it's taken Russia this long and they still haven't won anything significant yet.
Why are you rooting for a Communist dictator invading a sovereign nation in order to steal its resources?

#1 Putin isn't a communist or a dictator, but the elected president of a democratic country.
#2 Russian army is using the tactics they perfected during WWll
Massive artillery barrages followed by infantry advancing slowly and steadily. Then repeat, over and over.

 

[BackAgain]

That answer is good enough to put you on ignore....who wants to waste time with....these.....with these ...lol people? LOL

Oh nozies! What a horrible fate. A look like you wishes to put me on ignore?

The horror.

 

[JohnDB]

#1 Putin isn't a communist or a dictator but president of a democratic country.
#2 Russian army is using the tactics they perfected during WWll
Massive artillery barrages followed by infantry advancing slowly and steadily. Then repeat, over and over.

Neither one of these "statements " have a shred of truth to them. Not a soul on the planet believes these two things but you actually expect to win a battle of wits using this?

Unfortunately someone came to a battle of wits unarmed....and it wasn't me.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The ugly battle of Bakhmud is nearing its end my friends...

But you knew this several days ago, whem I opened this thread.

MSN

Well, considering that we are now in the thirteenth month of Putin's 3 day war, it is clear Russians don't tell time the same way the rest of us do, so when you say the battle will be over soon, do you mean this year? Next year? 2025? Later than that?

 

[Sunni Man]

Well, considering that we are now in the thirteenth month of Putin's 3 day war,

That 3 day war allegation is as fake as you are. ...

 

[Ringo]

At this rate, Russia could lose

While the fat man dries, the thin one dies

 

[Litwin]

 

[JWBooth]

Starting to wonder if the Russians have been leaving the Artemovsk/Bakhmut back door open to allow the Ukes to keep feeding them cannon fodder.

 

[Sunni Man]

Starting to wonder if the Russians have been leaving the Artemovsk/Bakhmut back door open to allow the Ukes to keep feeding them cannon fodder.

Yes, that's exactly what the Russian army is doing.
Criminal conman Zelensky has promised bozo Biden and the Nato nitwits that Bakhmut won't fall into the hands of the Russians as long as they keep putting $Billions of dollars into his bank account.
So he keeps sending in fresh Ukrainian soldiers to be slaughtered.
Knowing full well the Russian artillery has every square foot of Bakhmut zero'ed in and the new soldiers will be lucky to survive more than a day.

 

[Kruska]

What's really nuts is that it's taken Russia this long and they still haven't won anything significant yet.

Again a very one-sided view or comment.

What's really nuts is that despite all the weapon and ammo supply given to Ukraine and Ukraine having since May/June a 2:1 or rather 3:1 advantage in manpower compared to Russian troops involved in Ukraine, they still haven't won anything significant yet - they are not even able to liberate those 20-25% of Russian occupied territory after 13 month.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Again a very one-sided view or comment.

What's really nuts is that despite all the weapon and ammo supply given to Ukraine and Ukraine having since May/June a 2:1 or rather 3:1 advantage in manpower compared to Russian troops involved in Ukraine, they still haven't won anything significant yet - they are not even able to liberate those 20-25% of Russian occupied territory after 13 month.

I am also eager to see Ukraine kick the Russian invaders out of Ukraine. Last year's brilliant Ukrainian counter offensive delivered an humiliating and demoralizing blow to the Russian invaders; let's hope this year's counteroffensive delivers a fatal blow to them.

 

[Kruska]

Yes, that's exactly what the Russian army is doing.
Criminal conman Zelensky has promised bozo Biden and the Nato nitwits that Bakhmut won't fall into the hands of the Russians as long as they keep putting $Billions of dollars into his bank account.
So he keeps sending in fresh Ukrainian soldiers to be slaughtered.
Knowing full well the Russian artillery has every square foot of Bakhmut zero'ed in and the new soldiers will be lucky to survive more than a day.

Could be Stalingrad v.2.0 - only that the encirclement is missing so far.

 

[Kruska]

I am also eager to see Ukraine kick the Russian invaders out of Ukraine. Last year's brilliant Ukrainian counter offensive delivered an humiliating and demoralizing blow to the Russian invaders; let's hope this year's counteroffensive delivers a fatal blow to them.

It was a brilliantly conducted offensive by the UAF - no doubt. But that specific gain of territory East, South-East of Kharkiv has no strategic value. It was obvious that due to the immense long front-line, and the limited number of Russian troops involved in Ukraine, that the Russians would opt to regroup - shortening that front-line by almost 200km.

Therefore no significant number of Russian prisoners were taken - nor equipment, or any Russian units having been decimated or encircled. It looks great on a map in regards to "liberated" territory and that's about it.
Same applies for the Russian pullback behind the Dnieper river around Kherson and it's swampland's. No strategic gain for the UAF - but a Russian move that gave them a far better defensive position.
Since the RF did not have the manpower to conduct a strike or attack onto/into Mykolaiv it was meaningless to take up or keep positions North or West of the Dnieper river.

So far Ukraine is rather save from further losses of significant territory if Putin keeps to his ratio, of not deploying more then 20-25% of his total available forces. Whilst Ukraine has mobilized more or less everything that can walk and can't pay it's way out - around 800,000 men since Sept. 2022 being added onto the previously existing force of around 150,000 men.
Facing never more then 250,000-300,000 Russians incl. separatist militias at any given time since Feb. 2022. And these 250,000-300,000 RF are constantly attacking - whilst the UAF is almost solely committed towards defense. It would be the first war in human history in regards to the UAF theoretically winning, via more or less solely defending!!!
Now what are the odds at that?

 

[ThirdTerm]

#2 Russian army is using the tactics they perfected during WWll
Massive artillery barrages followed by infantry advancing slowly and steadily. Then repeat, over and over.

Russia has done its best to minimize civilian casualties on the ground, which is why strategic bombing has been completely ruled out by Moscow. Strategic bombing is designed to destroy a country’s ability to wage war by demoralizing civilians and targeting infrastructure essential for the production and supply of war materials. The war could have been won easily by conducting area bombing on Kiev, which could have killed tens of thousands of civilians. The Kiev shopping centre bombing demonstrated that Russia has been sticking to demolishing military targets.

On 20 March 2022 around 10:45 pm, the Retroville, a shopping centre located in Kyiv, Ukraine, was bombed in a Russian airstrike. Part of the mall along with its 12-storey business center were destroyed. At least eight people were killed, six of them were dressed in military fatigues.[1] According to the Russian government, the shopping centre was used as a cover to store and reload ammunition, including the BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers by Ukraine.[2]

 

[toomuchtime_]

It was a brilliantly conducted offensive by the UAF - no doubt. But that specific gain of territory East, South-East of Kharkiv has no strategic value. It was obvious that due to the immense long front-line, and the limited number of Russian troops involved in Ukraine, that the Russians would opt to regroup - shortening that front-line by almost 200km.

Therefore no significant number of Russian prisoners were taken - nor equipment, or any Russian units having been decimated or encircled. It looks great on a map in regards to "liberated" territory and that's about it.
Same applies for the Russian pullback behind the Dnieper river around Kherson and it's swampland's. No strategic gain for the UAF - but a Russian move that gave them a far better defensive position.
Since the RF did not have the manpower to conduct a strike or attack onto/into Mykolaiv it was meaningless to take up or keep positions North or West of the Dnieper river.

So far Ukraine is rather save from further losses of significant territory if Putin keeps to his ratio, of not deploying more then 20-25% of his total available forces. Whilst Ukraine has mobilized more or less everything that can walk and can't pay it's way out - around 800,000 men since Sept. 2022 being added onto the previously existing force of around 150,000 men.
Facing never more then 250,000-300,000 Russians incl. separatist militias at any given time since Feb. 2022. And these 250,000-300,000 RF are constantly attacking - whilst the UAF is almost solely committed towards defense. It would be the first war in human history in regards to the UAF theoretically winning, via more or less solely defending!!!
Now what are the odds at that?

The war will not be won by grinding out a few meters at a time in trench warfare. The war will be won when one side convinces the other side it has lost and I am convinced it will be the Ukrainians and their allies who will convince Russia it has lost this war.

The brilliance of last year's Ukrainian counteroffensive and its importance cannot be overestimated. The Ukrainians talked all summer long about the coming offensive near Kherson so convincingly that Russia moved troops there to meet it, leaving he northeast only lightly defended and no one in the Russian military or Russian intelligence had any idea what was coming. When the offensive began in the northeast instead of near Kherson and the Russians were routed from Kharkiv, it sent shockwaves through the Russian leadership and Russian military bloggers and even some hosts on state run TV and some have still not recovered. This was step one in convincing the Russians they have lost the war.

Step two in convincing Russia it has lost the war has been Russia's failure to make any significant military gains despite massive artillery and missile bombardments for eight months and a massive loss of personnel and tanks and artillery pieces that Russian cannot replace as quickly as they are being lost, the greater unity and energy of the EU to supply Ukraine with better weapons and ammunition, the news that Russia's revenues for Jan and Feb are down nearly 50% from last year, indictments of Russian leaders for war crimes by the ICC and the creeping realization that this war is making Russia a Chinese vassal state.

Step three in convincing Russia it has lost the war will be, I hope, another brilliant Ukrainian counteroffensive. And then growing doubts about Russia's ability to win this war and the terrible cost of pursuing will begin to be given voice among Russian leaders and bloggers and Russia will slowly begin to seek the best deal it can get to retreat from Ukraine.

 

[Kruska]

Russia has done its best to minimize civilian casualties on the ground, which is why strategic bombing has been completely ruled out by Moscow. Strategic bombing is designed to destroy a country’s ability to wage war by demoralizing civilians and targeting infrastructure essential for the production and supply of war materials. The war could have been won easily by conducting area bombing on Kiev, which could have killed tens of thousands of civilians. The Kiev shopping centre bombing demonstrated that Russia has been sticking to demolishing military targets.

In order to conduct strategic bombing one needs three main components.

1. Air-superiority - non existent by Russia - due to keeping out their air-force at large from Ukrainian territory - again due to the rather formidable UAF AA defense.
2. A strategic conventional bomber force - non existent on behalf of Russia. Of what they have left is 99.9% committed towards their nuclear and long range strike force.
Weapon load mix in absolute majority; long-range strategic air-launched cruise missiles. Totally unsuitable for civilian targets both in effect and $$.
3. Conventional bombs a mass. I seriously doubt that Russia has them - since they never geared their strategic bomber force towards conventional bombing - AFAIK never even happened during their Afghanistan times. Unlike the USA using B-1's and B'52's for conventional bombing missions.

No country on earth - incl. the USA has the $$ and numbers of medium to long range missiles to significantly destroy civilian infrastructure of a country the size of Ukraine.
Russia has stopped it's mid-long range missile attacks onto infrastructure relevant targets (with a rather good initial success) onto Ukraine since late Autumn 2022. Simply not enough missiles available and not causing enough severe damage towards justifying attacks onto civilian targets. Not to mention the rather high rate of UAF intercepts towards Russian missiles.

There is an obvious reason as to why Russia has opted towards it's reputed "grinding artillery offensive style". Blasting every single building and it's inhabitants (civilians and soldiers) to smithereens.
"War is hell"