Battery production increasing CO2 levels

[elektra]

Why isn't the EPA investigating this like they're investigating every nook and cranny of the hydrocarbon industries?

The simple answer, they are (the government)investing in it, literally, billions of dollars.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/geothermal/pdfs/geothermalannualreport2012.pdf

You're confusing investing with investingating.

Actually no, I am not confusing a thing, the EPA is not investigating a thing, that is Green. Green and Renewable Energy gets a free pass, literally. Many laws, like the laws on Fracking, are ignored when it comes to Green/Renewable Energy.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/geothermal/pdfs/geothermalannualreport2012.pdf

Batteries from Geothermal Brine Partnering with Simbol Materials, the GTO is pursuing development of mineral extraction technologies with the potential to power 300,000– 600,000 electric vehicles per year from their plants. DOE support enabled the company to build the first demonstration facility and co-produce materials like lithium, manganese, and zinc from geothermal brines during the power production process. Simbol estimates that 50 MW in this mineral-rich region could also supply enough lithium to produce the vehicle batteries..

Simbol Materials is an excellent example, here in this "report", or Propaganda put out by the U.S. Government we find out the Simbol Materials could not fund a simple exploration well near the Salton Sea. Without the DOE and Obama Tesla could not move forward with their massive Battery plant, which is literally a giant experiment.

Further on the EPA side, Simbol Materials is allowed to inject Toxic Waste into the Earth. Simbol Material's experiment is thus, they drill a well, use the brine to attempt to create energy, then they separate the metals and toxins from the Brine, then they pump the concentrated toxic brine into a well, deep into the earth.

All which would be illegal if it was an Oil well. No Oil well in the World pumps Arsenic, Cesium, and Strontium into the Earth, yet Simbol Material's literally does, and will on a much larger scale if the market keeps the price of Lithium at an extreme historic high price.

So, as far as the EPA goes, Lithium Battery production for Tesla's is financed by the DOE and Obama.

You are correct. Coal and oil do not pump the toxins they produce deep into the earth. Instead they pump them into the atmosphere where we can enjoy their affects on our children.

By the way, you dumb fuck, they pump the brine with the pollutants back down into the hot rock, where it is heated and recharged with the elements that we value, and then we produce electricity with the geothermal heat, and extract zinc, lithium, and rare earths from the brine. Win-win for all.

Liar, prove it,

Prove your assertion, you ran away from every single post in Geothermal, now you are making your false assertions once again.

Lets try that Zinc extraction mr. industry.

Go ahead and link Old Crock, I dare you.

 

[elektra]

Why isn't the EPA investigating this like they're investigating every nook and cranny of the hydrocarbon industries?

The simple answer, they are (the government)investing in it, literally, billions of dollars.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/geothermal/pdfs/geothermalannualreport2012.pdf

You're confusing investing with investingating.

Actually no, I am not confusing a thing, the EPA is not investigating a thing, that is Green. Green and Renewable Energy gets a free pass, literally. Many laws, like the laws on Fracking, are ignored when it comes to Green/Renewable Energy.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/geothermal/pdfs/geothermalannualreport2012.pdf

Batteries from Geothermal Brine Partnering with Simbol Materials, the GTO is pursuing development of mineral extraction technologies with the potential to power 300,000– 600,000 electric vehicles per year from their plants. DOE support enabled the company to build the first demonstration facility and co-produce materials like lithium, manganese, and zinc from geothermal brines during the power production process. Simbol estimates that 50 MW in this mineral-rich region could also supply enough lithium to produce the vehicle batteries..

Simbol Materials is an excellent example, here in this "report", or Propaganda put out by the U.S. Government we find out the Simbol Materials could not fund a simple exploration well near the Salton Sea. Without the DOE and Obama Tesla could not move forward with their massive Battery plant, which is literally a giant experiment.

Further on the EPA side, Simbol Materials is allowed to inject Toxic Waste into the Earth. Simbol Material's experiment is thus, they drill a well, use the brine to attempt to create energy, then they separate the metals and toxins from the Brine, then they pump the concentrated toxic brine into a well, deep into the earth.

All which would be illegal if it was an Oil well. No Oil well in the World pumps Arsenic, Cesium, and Strontium into the Earth, yet Simbol Material's literally does, and will on a much larger scale if the market keeps the price of Lithium at an extreme historic high price.

So, as far as the EPA goes, Lithium Battery production for Tesla's is financed by the DOE and Obama.

You are correct. Coal and oil do not pump the toxins they produce deep into the earth. Instead they pump them into the atmosphere where we can enjoy their affects on our children.

By the way, you dumb fuck, they pump the brine with the pollutants back down into the hot rock, where it is heated and recharged with the elements that we value, and then we produce electricity with the geothermal heat, and extract zinc, lithium, and rare earths from the brine. Win-win for all.

Liar, prove it,

Prove your assertion, you ran away from every single post in Geothermal, now you are making your false assertions once again.

Lets try that Zinc extraction mr. industry.

Go ahead and link Old Crock, I dare you.

 

[Old Rocks]

There is your link, could have looked it up yourself.

http://geoheat.oit.edu/bulletin/bull21-2/art1.pdf

CalEnergy Mineral Recovery Project Creates Jobs and Increases Revenues
from Geothermal Power Operations in California’s Imperial Valley
Ted J. Clutter, Executive Director
Geothermal Resources Council
Davis, CA
On January 31, 1999, CalEnergy Operating Corp. (CalEnergy) unveiled a $400 million expansion of their geothermal power complex on the shores of the Salton Sea in southern California’s Imperial Valley. The new construction includes nearly 60 megawatts (MW) of new geothermal electrical capacity, and a unique project to “mine” commercial grade zinc from geothermal brine produced for power generation. CalEnergy is a subsidiary of Mid-American Energy Holdings Co. (Des Moines, IA).

CalEnergy currently operates eight geothermal power plants with a capacity of 288 net MW at the Salton Sea. Construction underway for completion by late-July includes
Unit 5, a 49-MW facility that will utilize high-temperature waste brine from four of the company’s existing power plants to fuel the minerals recovery project and produce electricity.

In addition, a 10-MW turbine will be on-line by mid-March to upgrade power production at CalEnergy’s Del Ranch and Vulcan power plants. Construction companies heading up the projects include Stone & Webster Engineering Corp. (Denver, CO) and Kvaener U.S., Inc. (San Ramon, CA), which are subcontracting work to local firms.

Funded entirely by CalEnergy, the $200-million mineral recovery project will produce 30,000 metric toThe facility will be the lowest cost producer of zinc in the world, and the first and only operation specifically designed to harvest minerals from high temperature geothermal brine. “The minerals recovery project will make the geothermal energy we produce more cost effective and tap valuable minerals from the brine we bring to the surface for power production,” says CalEnergy Vice-
President of Operations Jim Turner.

 

[Old Rocks]

Simbol Materials lithium extraction could help Salton Sea The Desert Sun desertsun.com

If successful, the operation could also generate millions of dollars to be used to combat the shrinking of the Salton Sea and the dust and public health threats the drying up of the lake could trigger. A recent study from the Imperial Irrigation District estimated mineral extraction from brine at the sea could pump out $1.5 billion in revenues over the next three decades, at least part of which could be channeled to restoration projects at the sea.

Located in Calipatria, the demo plant draws its brine from EnergySource’s Featherstone plant, a 49.9-megawatt geothermal project that sells its power to the Salt River Project, a public utility in Arizona. The plant and a lab and warehouse space in Brawley are the forerunners of a commercial operation that, Simbol executives said, could increase the test plant’s production capacity a thousand-fold — from 6 gallons to 6,000 gallons of brine per minute — eventually extracting 15,000 metric tons of high-grade lithium per year.

Tens of thousands of tons of lithium and zinc just from this one geothermal site. And then there is the formation near Rock Springs, Wyoming, with many, many times the potential of the Salton Sea projects. Geothermal is paying off big in many ways.

 

[Old Rocks]

Value creation from geothermal fluids beyond batteries for Tesla Think GeoEnergy - Geothermal Energy News

With news on new battery manufacturing facilities, or the so called Gigafactory, planned by U.S. based electric car maker Tesla, has been making news lately. One fact that is mentioned but is not receiving much attention, that the tremendous amounts of Lithium needed for the batteries are expected to be derived from geothermal brine. In our article “Value Creation beyond Electricity” in the first issue of our Think GEOENERGY Magazine published in September 2013, we talk about these operations and other “mining” efforts aimed at deriving value out of geothermal brine.

In 2013, the geothermal energy industry celebrated 100 years of commercial power generation at Larderello in Tuscany, Italy. Piero Ginori Conti, who started operating the first commercial geothermal plant in 1913, was – and this is not widely known – head of a company that derived boric acid from geothermal steam.

There has always been an interest in looking to derive valuable minerals from geothermal brine, but are there any examples today? Can mineral extraction become a profitable side business to geothermal power generation?

In the past, some companies, mainly in the U.S., have been active in mineral extraction from geothermal brines, particularly between the 1960s and 1980s. However, experimental, pilot and commercial projects have also derived minerals from brine in Mexico, New Zealand, Italy and Iceland.

When geothermal fluids interact with hot rocks, the fluids become saturated with various minerals through a chemical reaction. The composition of these resulting fluids is determined by the composition of the rocks, the chemical composition of the initial fluids, and temperature and pressure during the interaction of fluid and rock mass.

Despite various efforts and projects to commercially extract minerals from geothermal fluids, there is only one promising commercial-scale project. Based in the Salton Sea area of California, Simbol Mining Corporation received a US$3 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy and is itself investing $6.7 million in a project to develop the company’s initial com- mercial mineral extraction facility. The project will utilize geothermal fluids derived in the pro- cess of geothermal power generation co-located at EnegySource’s John L. Featherstone (Hudson Ranch I) geothermal power plant.

Simbol Materials is planning to derive chemicals needed in the production of batteries (lithium, manganese and zinc) from the Salton Sea hypersaline geothermal reservoir located in Southern California. The company expects that the geothermal fluids from each 50 MW plant will be able to produce up to 16,000 tons of lithium carbonate equivalent, 24,000 tons of electrolytic manganese dioxide and 8,000 tons of zinc metal. Simbol Materials aims to demonstrate with its project the technical and economic feasibility of geothermal mineral extraction.

See, Elektra, when I flap my yap, I make sure I know where my information is coming from.

 

[elektra]

There is your link, could have looked it up yourself.

http://geoheat.oit.edu/bulletin/bull21-2/art1.pdf

CalEnergy Mineral Recovery Project Creates Jobs and Increases Revenues
from Geothermal Power Operations in California’s Imperial Valley
Ted J. Clutter, Executive Director
Geothermal Resources Council
Davis, CA
On January 31, 1999, CalEnergy Operating Corp. (CalEnergy) unveiled a $400 million expansion of their geothermal power complex on the shores of the Salton Sea in southern California’s Imperial Valley. The new construction includes nearly 60 megawatts (MW) of new geothermal electrical capacity, and a unique project to “mine” commercial grade zinc from geothermal brine produced for power generation. CalEnergy is a subsidiary of Mid-American Energy Holdings Co. (Des Moines, IA).

CalEnergy currently operates eight geothermal power plants with a capacity of 288 net MW at the Salton Sea. Construction underway for completion by late-July includes
Unit 5, a 49-MW facility that will utilize high-temperature waste brine from four of the company’s existing power plants to fuel the minerals recovery project and produce electricity.

In addition, a 10-MW turbine will be on-line by mid-March to upgrade power production at CalEnergy’s Del Ranch and Vulcan power plants. Construction companies heading up the projects include Stone & Webster Engineering Corp. (Denver, CO) and Kvaener U.S., Inc. (San Ramon, CA), which are subcontracting work to local firms.

Funded entirely by CalEnergy, the $200-million mineral recovery project will produce 30,000 metric toThe facility will be the lowest cost producer of zinc in the world, and the first and only operation specifically designed to harvest minerals from high temperature geothermal brine. “The minerals recovery project will make the geothermal energy we produce more cost effective and tap valuable minerals from the brine we bring to the surface for power production,” says CalEnergy Vice-
President of Operations Jim Turner.

I was TROLLING!

Old Crock is superficial at best, as are those who, "thank" or "agree" with Old Crock.

Old Crock does not look past the headlines of his Google search, "results".

Zinc recovery at Cal-Energy failed and thus went Bankrupt. Now we are to believe they can succeed with DOE money and Lithium?

SALTON SEA FUNDING CORP - 10-Q - 20041112 - NOTES TO FINANCIAL STATEMENT

The Zinc Recovery Project began limited production during December 2002 and continued limited production until September 10, 2004. Efforts to increase production had continued since the Zinc Recovery Project was placed in service with an emphasis on process modification. Management had been assessing the long-term economic viability of the Zinc Recovery Project in light of continuing cash flow and operating losses and the efforts to increase production, and had continued to evaluate the expected impact of the planned improvements to the extraction process during the third quarter of 2004. Furthermore, management had been exploring other operating alternatives, such as establishing strategic partnerships and consideration of ceasing operations of the Zinc Recovery Project.

On September 10, 2004, management made the decision to cease operations of the Zinc Recovery Project, effective immediately. Based on this decision, a non-cash, after-tax impairment charge of $390.0 million and $91.4 million for the Partnership Guarantors and Salton Sea Guarantors, respectively, has been recorded to write-off the Zinc Recovery Project, rights to quantities of extractable minerals, and allocated goodwill (collectively, the “Mineral Assets”). The charge and related activity of the Mineral Assets are classified separately as discontinued operations in the respective combined statements of operations for each of the Partnership Guarantors and Salton Sea Guarantors

 

[elektra]

where is old rock

Simbol Materials lithium extraction could help Salton Sea The Desert Sun desertsun.com

If successful, the operation could also generate millions of dollars to be used to combat the shrinking of the Salton Sea and the dust and public health threats the drying up of the lake could trigger. A recent study from the Imperial Irrigation District estimated mineral extraction from brine at the sea could pump out $1.5 billion in revenues over the next three decades, at least part of which could be channeled to restoration projects at the sea.

Located in Calipatria, the demo plant draws its brine from EnergySource’s Featherstone plant, a 49.9-megawatt geothermal project that sells its power to the Salt River Project, a public utility in Arizona. The plant and a lab and warehouse space in Brawley are the forerunners of a commercial operation that, Simbol executives said, could increase the test plant’s production capacity a thousand-fold — from 6 gallons to 6,000 gallons of brine per minute — eventually extracting 15,000 metric tons of high-grade lithium per year.

Tens of thousands of tons of lithium and zinc just from this one geothermal site. And then there is the formation near Rock Springs, Wyoming, with many, many times the potential of the Salton Sea projects. Geothermal is paying off big in many ways.

Where is Old Crock, I gave you an answer and ran?

Old Crock runs from facts.