Awww: Parents Upset Over Daytime Concerts at School

[braalian]

Plus, as someone who’s worked shift-work his entire life, it’s retarded to assume all of these parents work during the day, anyway

Surely, a significant portion of them are nurses or doctors or fireman or police officers or correctional officers or retail workers who may work evenings or nights anyways

Not all of us work 9-5 jobs…..

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Teachers are FLSA exempt employees, they are paid to do a certain job. There is no "unpaid time" because they don't punch a clock. The job is to create lesson plans, develop lesson materials, deliver the information in such a way as to motivate the child to learn, check for understanding, provide out of classroom materials to support the lesson objectives (homework), evaluate understanding, and test for matery of the subjects objectives.

There is no "clock to punch" for "paid time vs. unpaid time".

The question becomes what is fair compensation for the amount of work to complete the needed tasks for the skill level required.

Oh, and BTW. Band and Chorus Directors - you know the ones that put together such programs - are some of the MOST passionate teachers that you will ever meet regarding their area.

WW

Teachers are usually paid for 7.25 to 7.5 hours per day and only for a set number of days outside that. Most evening time activities, most training days (including usually a week in the summer), faculty meetings after school, meetings before school, parent-teacher conferences are usually unpaid unless negotiated in the contract, and few of those items ever are covered!

Once again, stay in your own lane and don't talk out of your area.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Um, don’t you get a few months off paid in the summer?

No, we don't, or I didn't! Teacher pay is calculated on a set pay rate per hour with a set number of hours each day for a certain number of days outside. You know exactly how much you will get paid for the year.

 

[braalian]

No, we don't, or I didn't! Teacher pay is calculated on a set pay rate per hour with a set number of hours each day for a certain number of days outside. You know exactly how much you will get paid for the year.

I always heard teachers made an annual salary, as opposed to hourly wages

Could be wrong, obviously

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I could understand why a working parent would not think too much of that BS.

Following the OP's line of "thinking" maybe sporting events/practices should be held during the school day too.

No more Friday Night football for you! Texas would just love that.

It would seem to me that the contract teachers sign on to would cover certain evening events. Music teachers/coaches in particular.

In my schools, athletic coaches and certain academic sponsors receive additional pay for sports and after-school activities. The science or health teacher who doesn't coach or sponsor an academic activity receives nothing. In my case, I received a set amount at the beginning of the season for coaching. I coached because I wanted to, but the pay worked out to be about minimum wage considering the hours put in.

You don't have student activities without teachers being there, mainly for security concerns.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I always heard teachers made an annual salary, as opposed to hourly wages

Could be wrong, obviously

That is way it is calculated, as I explained in my earlier post, so the school district can get by with paying you on an inflated hourly rate and you spread the payment out over the breaks, so you get 24 paychecks a year.

You just take the hourly rate, multiply by the paid daily hours for the contracted number of days and that is your annual salary.

 

[braalian]

That is way it is calculated, as I explained in my earlier post, so the school district can get by with paying you on an inflated hourly rate and you spread the payment out over the breaks, so you get 24 paychecks a year.

You just take the hourly rate, multiply by the paid daily hours for the contracted number of days and that is your annual salary.

Doesn’t that kind of back up my point?

Are there any other salaried positions that get 2-3 consecutive months off a year?

Not a lot of people are going to sympathize with teachers having to work one extra evening for a Christmas pageant in light of that

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Doesn’t that kind of back up my point?

Are there any other salaried positions that get 2-3 consecutive months off a year?

Not a lot of people are going to sympathize with teachers having to work one extra evening for a Christmas pageant in light of that

It is NOT a salaried position. If all of the unpaid hours were calculated into that salary, teachers wouldn't be bitching about lousy pay. You never get 2-3 months off. It's more like 6 weeks.

It's also not just one day a year. That is the point. Did you see my list of other after-school activities that are unpaid? We always completed our annual training requirements for about a week before school started. One year, I was not hired until the day before the school year started. I had to attend training after school for 3 hours each day for 18 days spread throughout the school year. My pay for that extra time? $0.

 

[braalian]

It is NOT a salaried position. If all of the unpaid hours were calculated into that salary, teachers wouldn't be bitching about lousy pay. You never get 2-3 months off. It's more like 6 weeks.

It's also not just one day a year. That is the point. Did you see my list of other after-school activities that are unpaid? We always completed our annual training requirements for about a week before school started. One year, I was not hired until the day before the school year started. I had to attend training after school for 3 hours each day for 18 days spread throughout the school year. My pay for that extra time? $0.

Not trying to be pain in the ass here, but if you don’t punch a time clock, isn’t that salary by definition?

Sounds to me like you’d be better off punching a clock in and out than whatever your current compensation situation is

 

[80zephyr]

It is NOT a salaried position. If all of the unpaid hours were calculated into that salary, teachers wouldn't be bitching about lousy pay. You never get 2-3 months off. It's more like 6 weeks.

It's also not just one day a year. That is the point. Did you see my list of other after-school activities that are unpaid? We always completed our annual training requirements for about a week before school started. One year, I was not hired until the day before the school year started. I had to attend training after school for 3 hours each day for 18 days spread throughout the school year. My pay for that extra time? $0.

There aren't too many occupations around any more that don't require unpaid training. You're not alone.

 

[SweetSue92]

I'm also curious to know if the school systems in question just sprung this on parents or did the parents know about it when the school year started?

These are the things we need to know.

LOL....I can just see the reaction of my watch commander if I asked to get time off in December to attend a concert in the middle of my shift.

Right, and this makes a huge difference. When I did concerts (evening), I gave months of notice....usually four or more, at least three. Nothing was sprung on parents.

 

[SweetSue92]

Um, don’t you get a few months off paid in the summer?

No. We are compensated for the days we work, so usually 185 days. That pay is then spread out over the year.

 

[SweetSue92]

I believe it was the teachers, for the most part, that frayed that social fabric. Parents reacted to it, and now they are the bad guys?

No. A VERY FEW teachers did that, and parents were quick to blame all teachers. Now? FAFO, and it's not getting better

 

[SweetSue92]

So far, not a single poster has justified why teachers should take December evenings to put on events for other people's kids. It's your kid, you should be giving up the work time. Not teachers giving up evenings, esp unpaid.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not trying to be pain in the ass here, but if you don’t punch a time clock, isn’t that salary by definition?

Sounds to me like you’d be better off punching a clock in and out than whatever your current compensation situation is

Not really. I never had a time clock after I left working a grocery store in college so I have no concept. The schools could not afford to operate if they ran a time clock.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There aren't too many occupations around any more that don't require unpaid training. You're not alone.

Not in any of my other occupations. Your mileage may vary.

 

[1srelluc]

Right, and this makes a huge difference. When I did concerts (evening), I gave months of notice....usually four or more, at least three. Nothing was sprung on parents.

Seems to me you are like those retired generals, admirals, and intel experts that run their yaps and sign letters now that they can't be held to account.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It turns out that many teachers do punch a clock. We did not have to when I first started teaching, but several years ago, we started punching into a clock that read our fingerprints - but only to get paid for summer school hours.

Shortly after, it was everyone who was required to punch in ever day. The superintendent made a big deal out of having to punch in like everyone else and being fustrated with having to try multiple fingers because the reader would not take the fingerprint.

Yes, we are still required to work as much as it takes to finish things like lesson plans (and much more paperwork for Special ed Teachers). Our pay rate is daily, not hourly, so the time clock is meaningless other than making sure we show up (as if it would not be noticed if we did not show up). But we are also required to provide biometric proof that we were at school during duty hours.

Not complaining, teaching is the best job I've ever had. But I hadn't punched a clock since I worked in a warehouse during college, and I find it annoying for the reason you stated.

As you point out though. Punching a clock as part of an absence management system is different than punching a clock for pay purposes.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Um, don’t you get a few months off paid in the summer?

I can't speak for all school systems, but ours are not. They are contracted for 10 months, paid 20 times Turing that period and neither work or get paid for the JUN/AUG time frame they are off. Unlike 12 month employees that work all year long and are paid over 24 periods.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Teachers are usually paid for 7.25 to 7.5 hours per day and only for a set number of days outside that. Most evening time activities, most training days (including usually a week in the summer), faculty meetings after school, meetings before school, parent-teacher conferences are usually unpaid unless negotiated in the contract, and few of those items ever are covered!

Once again, stay in your own lane and don't talk out of your area.

My "lane" is Human Resources setting up contracts and pay jobs for teachers.

WW
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