Atheists want multiple universes and extra-terrestrial civilizations to exist because they think it will hurt Christianity

[GLASNOST]

Your problem is that you do not understand what agnosticism is (or means) and you refuse to acknowledge it so you insist on continuing to falsely call it atheism.

Completely false. i completely acknowledge the meanings you present and have done so repeatedly. I am just proposing a semantic change. No idea where you are getting this nonsense. I think you need to slow down. Your excitability and childish insults discredit you, especially when you are completely wrong and misunderstanding others.

As you like. If you still don't understand just carry on as you were.

 

[JoeB131]

Your first actual point. Why did God put the ToK in the middle of the Garden (and not on top of a mountain or something)? All I can think of is it was his only commandment. It wasn't supposed to be temptation, but the lizard made it that way. Regardless, the couple was young and they didn't seem to last long in paradise. Maybe it's like the Christians here wanting you and the other atheists to be on top of the Himalayas, but you're here and we are exposed to your indignant, wrong, and bitter screed.

Yes, how dare you have to live in a free country...

But you miss the point. God created a test he had to have known Adam and Eve would certainly fail. That's not a loving God, that's a cruel sadist.

But the whole Old Testament reads like that. God does something cruel and evil to his followers for no other reason than he can. Understandable, if you are a bronze age person who sees "God" as every random force of nature you can't explain. Oops, we have a plague. We must have made God unhappy. Let's find some poor fool who broke some taboo and stone him and his whole family to appease God.

I dunno. I didn't think he hated Japan. Where do you get that? Maybe China with its state atheism. What is Amaterasu?

Amaterasu is the Japanese Sun Goddess and supreme deity in Shintoism. She is also the ancestor of the current Imperial Family of Japan, according to legend

And if you were born in Japan, you would have sincerely believed she is the creator instead of Yahweh, which means you are going to hell based on geography....

 

[Grumblenuts]

the earth is not flat.

We know the truth to be ...

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I count 5?
Five
Five corner
Five corner flat Earth!..

 

[Grumblenuts]

"Hey, I don't want you to eat from this tree, because you'll realize you're naked and shit. But I'm going to put it in the middle of this garden you live in, and then I'm going to make the fruits really juicy... And then I'm going to leave this talking snake (HA!!!) around that will tempt you into eating from it."

Hollywood version;

JOCK: Don’t mind him. That’s Reggie. Wouldn’t hurt a soul.
INDY: I can’t stand snakes.
JOCK: The world’s full of them, you know.
INDY: I hate them.
JOCK: Come on now, Sport. Show a little of the old backbone.

(teehee)

 

[Hollie]

the earth is not flat.

We know the truth to be ...

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I count 5?
Five
Five corner
Five corner flat Earth!..

God's math!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I have personally found that until someone allows GOD in to open his or her heart, such a person will never have any assurance that GOD is very real.

So we first have to believe in god to then get reasons to believe in god. Seems legit.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your problem is that you do not understand what agnosticism is (or means) and you refuse to acknowledge it so you insist on continuing to falsely call it atheism.

Completely false. i completely acknowledge the meanings you present and have done so repeatedly. I am just proposing a semantic change. No idea where you are getting this nonsense. I think you need to slow down. Your excitability and childish insults discredit you, especially when you are completely wrong and misunderstanding others.

As you like. If you still don't understand just carry on as you were.

I do understand, and even agreed with your definitions as fine. I also understand you need a case of vaginal sand remover.

 

[james bond]

Your first actual point. Why did God put the ToK in the middle of the Garden (and not on top of a mountain or something)? All I can think of is it was his only commandment. It wasn't supposed to be temptation, but the lizard made it that way. Regardless, the couple was young and they didn't seem to last long in paradise. Maybe it's like the Christians here wanting you and the other atheists to be on top of the Himalayas, but you're here and we are exposed to your indignant, wrong, and bitter screed.

Yes, how dare you have to live in a free country...

But you miss the point. God created a test he had to have known Adam and Eve would certainly fail. That's not a loving God, that's a cruel sadist.

But the whole Old Testament reads like that. God does something cruel and evil to his followers for no other reason than he can. Understandable, if you are a bronze age person who sees "God" as every random force of nature you can't explain. Oops, we have a plague. We must have made God unhappy. Let's find some poor fool who broke some taboo and stone him and his whole family to appease God.

I dunno. I didn't think he hated Japan. Where do you get that? Maybe China with its state atheism. What is Amaterasu?

Amaterasu is the Japanese Sun Goddess and supreme deity in Shintoism. She is also the ancestor of the current Imperial Family of Japan, according to legend

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And if you were born in Japan, you would have sincerely believed she is the creator instead of Yahweh, which means you are going to hell based on geography....

>>And if you were born in Japan, you would have sincerely believed she is the creator instead of Yahweh, which means you are going to hell based on geography...<<

Oh, I see your argument now. You sincerely believe in the religion of no God/gods, so you belittle people who believe in any God/gods (paganism). There are many false gods around except the most baddest real "god of the world and prince of the power of the air." Like quantum particles, he remains hidden but spreads his messages all around. The Bible has been spread and the hope is everyone gets the message.

If one ends up in hell, then I think there are different levels. One reaps what they sow.

"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more." Luke 12:47-48

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;" 2 Peter 2:4

Lowest level
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Revelation 20:10

Yes, how dare you have to live in a free country...

But you miss the point. God created a test he had to have known Adam and Eve would certainly fail. That's not a loving God, that's a cruel sadist.

But the whole Old Testament reads like that. God does something cruel and evil to his followers for no other reason than he can. Understandable, if you are a bronze age person who sees "God" as every random force of nature you can't explain. Oops, we have a plague. We must have made God unhappy. Let's find some poor fool who broke some taboo and stone him and his whole family to appease God.

I think we've had to fight other countries in order to remain a free country. Two world wars so far, but maybe the threat of nuclear war, i.e. total annihilation, will prevent WW III. I think it also means the end is near. Jesus will come again before that. There should be some changes before then to prevent WW III such as one world leader.

I think you miss the point. Again it wasn't a test, but a commandment to show free will. God didn't want robots, so both the angels and people received it. They had intelligence.

I showed you what the future represented with the Schrodinger's Cat experiment and light particle-slit experiment. Those experiments do not show multiverses, but shows how our future works. We don't know what our future is until we look. All things are possible until we choose to look. It also shows that we have free will as we make some choices such as God/no god before we look. Others, we look and make choices such as our life's work and such.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, I see your argument now. You sincerely believe in the religion of no God/gods, so you belittle people who believe in any God/gods (paganism). There are many false gods around except the most baddest real "god of the world and prince of the power of the air." Like quantum particles, he remains hidden but spreads his messages all around. The Bible has been spread and the hope is everyone gets the message.

Actually, you remind me of the joke about the man who arrives in Heaven, and he's getting the tour. St. Peter says, 'We have the Protestants over there, and the Muslims are there, and the Hindus are over there..."

"Whose behind that wall?"

"Oh, those are the Catholics, they like to think they are the only ones up here."

Look, guy, you can spew out all the bible verses you want. It goes back to my original point. Why should a very nice lady I know go to hell because she was born in Japan instead of America? (She was actually a Buddhist, not a Shinto, but you get my point.)

Furthermore, if you are going to claim that Christianity is right and Shintoism is false, what's your evidence?

I think we've had to fight other countries in order to remain a free country. Two world wars so far, but maybe the threat of nuclear war, i.e. total annihilation, will prevent WW III. I think it also means the end is near. Jesus will come again before that. There should be some changes before then to prevent WW III such as one world leader.

yeah, you Apocalypse fetishists have been saying that shit for 2000 years now, and frankly, it sounds like, "I hope everyone dies so I can show people I was RIGHT!!!" That's - kind of fucked up, man.

 

[Grumblenuts]

"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where {...blaa di blaa blaa}

More flat-Eartherism, now in the midst of proclaiming "intelligence." Try gobs of thinly veiled satire promoting repression and slavery.

 

[james bond]

Look, guy, you can spew out all the bible verses you want. It goes back to my original point. Why should a very nice lady I know go to hell because she was born in Japan instead of America? (She was actually a Buddhist, not a Shinto, but you get my point.)

Furthermore, if you are going to claim that Christianity is right and Shintoism is false, what's your evidence?

I already told you the truth book or word of God -- the Bible. You even just admitted it. How do I know it is true? Science and history backs it up. It's part history book.

What evidence do you have for Jeffrey Dahmer? Anne Frank? Your Buddhist?

What you are doing is making up straw man arguments for your lack of faith and faith in atheism. As I said, no one but Jesus will know.

"For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead." Acts 17:31

It states God has appointed Jesus as the one who will judge the world with justice. What does this mean? The serial killer didn't really repent in his heart? Anne Frank did believe? The Buddhist didn't really know anything else?

 

[james bond]

"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where {...blaa di blaa blaa}

More flat-Eartherism, now in the midst of proclaiming "intelligence." Try gobs of thinly veiled satire promoting repression and slavery.

So you don't think there are the depths of hell and different levels? One doesn't reap what they sow?

 

[danielpalos]

"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where {...blaa di blaa blaa}

More flat-Eartherism, now in the midst of proclaiming "intelligence." Try gobs of thinly veiled satire promoting repression and slavery.

So you don't think there are the depths of hell and different levels? One doesn't reap what they sow?

Adam and Eve not reaching out and eating from the fruit of the Tree of (perfect) Knowledge before the fruit of the Tree of LIfe doomed us to Nexus Six.

 

[james bond]

Adam and Eve not reaching out and eating from the fruit of the Tree of (perfect) Knowledge before the fruit of the Tree of LIfe doomed us to Nexus Six.

Yup. We ended up having to die and more hardships.

It wasn't the act so much, but what they ended up thinking before it. They knew the act was forbidden, but they were convinced that they would be like God and know what was good and bad for them. IOW, many times we think we know better when it comes to doing good and doing evil.

'Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’”

The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’”

“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.' Genesis 3:1-6

 

[Hollie]

Adam and Eve not reaching out and eating from the fruit of the Tree of (perfect) Knowledge before the fruit of the Tree of LIfe doomed us to Nexus Six.

Yup. We ended up having to die and more hardships.

It wasn't the act so much, but what they ended up thinking before it. They knew the act was forbidden, but they were convinced that they would be like God and know what was good and bad for them. IOW, many times we think we know better when it comes to doing good and doing evil.

'Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’”

The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’”

“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.' Genesis 3:1-6

Quite a fable. Interesting that the writers of the fable made your gods a liar.

The talking serpent told the truth. Your gods lied. How’s that for a kick in the pants?

 

[danielpalos]

Adam and Eve not reaching out and eating from the fruit of the Tree of (perfect) Knowledge before the fruit of the Tree of LIfe doomed us to Nexus Six.

Yup. We ended up having to die and more hardships.

It wasn't the act so much, but what they ended up thinking before it. They knew the act was forbidden, but they were convinced that they would be like God and know what was good and bad for them. IOW, many times we think we know better when it comes to doing good and doing evil.

'Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’”

The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’”

“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.' Genesis 3:1-6

Quite a fable. Interesting that the writers of the fable made your gods a liar.

The talking serpent told the truth. Your gods lied. How’s that for a kick in the pants?

Predestination from a God who knew going for the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge would always be the first choice over the fruit of the Tree of Life?

 

[james bond]

Adam and Eve not reaching out and eating from the fruit of the Tree of (perfect) Knowledge before the fruit of the Tree of LIfe doomed us to Nexus Six.

Yup. We ended up having to die and more hardships.

It wasn't the act so much, but what they ended up thinking before it. They knew the act was forbidden, but they were convinced that they would be like God and know what was good and bad for them. IOW, many times we think we know better when it comes to doing good and doing evil.

'Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’”

The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’”

“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.' Genesis 3:1-6

Quite a fable. Interesting that the writers of the fable made your gods a liar.

The talking serpent told the truth. Your gods lied. How’s that for a kick in the pants?

Your comment shows that you are acting like God and saying that God's word is a lie (fable) and was wrong. Your atheism won't let you believe that we had it made and didn't have to die. Do you see how easy it is to act like God? Now, we have ten commandments .

First, we see that Adam and Eve had free will and that the were tempted and responded just like you.

Second, how is it that Satan told the truth? All he did was tempt them and all they had to do was ignore Satan. God gave them and us everything that we would ever want and not die. We would've been really like God and be living in heaven on Earth right now. I want a steak and lobster or beer and pizza and voila there it is. And you could trust other people, too, even if you didn't know them.

Biology backs the story up as serpents lost their tail and legs and have to crawl on their bellies. What other animals do that? Maybe some insects.

God also said don't eat these types of animals and insects. Generally speaking you don't want to eat the wild ones as they could be poisonous or carry parasites.

 

[Grumblenuts]

"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where {...blaa di blaa blaa}

More flat-Eartherism, now in the midst of proclaiming "intelligence." Try gobs of thinly veiled satire promoting repression and slavery.

So you don't think there are the depths of hell and different levels? One doesn't reap what they sow?

No, there's neither a hell nor a heaven. And no, not in any religious sense.

 

[james bond]

"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where {...blaa di blaa blaa}

More flat-Eartherism, now in the midst of proclaiming "intelligence." Try gobs of thinly veiled satire promoting repression and slavery.

So you don't think there are the depths of hell and different levels? One doesn't reap what they sow?

No, there's neither a hell nor a heaven. And no, not in any religious sense.

"He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury." Romans 2:6-8

"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:46

"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more." Luke 12:47-48

Do you just ignore or gloss over the verses? What happens when your perfect spiritual self is burned up? The last verse may talk about different levels, but that's just my opinion.

 

[JoeB131]

I already told you the truth book or word of God -- the Bible. You even just admitted it. How do I know it is true? Science and history backs it up. It's part history book.

yeah, somehow, I can't take a book with talking animals and giants in it very seriously.

What evidence do you have for Jeffrey Dahmer? Anne Frank?

Their existence has been documented through photographs and written records, unlike the book of fairy tales, which were written down centuries after the fact based on oral traditions.

What you are doing is making up straw man arguments for your lack of faith and faith in atheism. As I said, no one but Jesus will know.

Naw, man, my atheism was set in stone when my Mom died despite the whole parish praying for her to get better.

It states God has appointed Jesus as the one who will judge the world with justice. What does this mean? The serial killer didn't really repent in his heart? Anne Frank did believe? The Buddhist didn't really know anything else?

Okay, let's look at that.

Kind of unlikely that Anne Frank suddenly started loving Jesus when CHRISTIANS forced her to hide in an attic for years before sending her off to die in a concentration camp.... Those people wore belt buckles that read "Gott Mit Uns" (God's with us) when they invaded... I can't imagine she was well disposed towards Jesus when she died.

Now, for Chef Jeff, I don't know what was in his heart. (We do know what was in his stomach, though!) He might have sincerely repented. Or he might have been scamming the prison ministry to get extra privileges and avoid work details. But assuming that his conversion and confession was sincere, by Christian theology, he gets to go to Heaven. He killed 17 people and ATE Them.

The problem with "Christian Justice" is that it's based on fear and obedience, not justice. Ann Frank and my Japanese friend were basically good people. They shouldn't be penalized because they were born into the wrong religion. Jeff Dahmner was mentally ill, to be sure, but he still knew enough about right and wrong to try to cover up his crimes. But he says "Jesus" with enough sincerity and he gets into heaven? That's kind of messed up.