Zone1 Atheists have nothing to say against faith in God

[GLASNOST]

Provide some and we’ll see.

What would you accept?

Evidence.

 

[ding]

A genuine two-way conversation with "God" would have been nice.

Honestly... it sounds like you are expecting a one way conversation where God does all the work. It's like you expect the creator of existence to jump through your hoops. Does that seem reasonable to you?

 

[ding]

Evidence.

Like what? I'm not going to play a guessing game.

 

[ding]

I understand your beliefs. I done been born and raised southern baptist, got myself dunked and the whole nine yards. So I know how it supposedly works.

It just doesn't work for me in any kind of objectively verifiable way.

All I can tell you is that a notional belief isn't going to cut it. You must seek him in earnest and humility. Or not. Your loss, not his.

 

[GLASNOST]

Evidence.

Like what?

The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

 

[Cougarbear]

What I (we) do not believe is infinitely more important than what we do believe. Anyway, you wrote in your OP, “atheists have nothing to say against faith in God”. If that's true then I believe that's a good thing. But didn’t I already tell you that? Is there something else you'd like to know about what I believe?​

Nope! What do you believe? Answer the question

 

[Chuz Life]

Honestly... it sounds like you are expecting a one way conversation where God does all the work. It's like you expect the creator of existence to jump through your hoops. Does that seem reasonable to you?

Not going to lie.

I honestly don't think it's all that unreasonable.

 

[Chuz Life]

All I can tell you is that a notional belief isn't going to cut it. You must seek him in earnest and humility. Or not. Your loss, not his.

I guess I'll have to take the loss if and when it comes then.

 

[cnm]

Should they? Theists have a ton of things to say against other Theists. Particularly Christians. They slander the Jews. They slander the Moslems. They slander the Hindus. They slander the Buddhists. Even among themselves. Catholics and Protestants don’t like each other. Worst of all are the Mormons. They hate and slander everyone. Agnostics slander no one. Agnostics don’t hate anyone. I don’t know if Atheists say anything against faith in God so I’ll take your word for it that they don’t. But that’s a good thing ….. isn’t it?

I have to say I've been known to poke fun at the adherents of the products of Bronze Age desert superstitions.

 

[cnm]

More to the point, isn't atheism just one more religion? They believe in the unprovable. They can no more prove their faith in the universe being just an object coming from mere dust as most religious people can prove the existence of God--- both are essentially just different faiths. The main difference being that:

1. Formal religions are generally a faith in a /personal/ universe, headed by some deity, supreme intelligence, and cause of all causes headed by a supreme consciousness and compassion.
2. Atheism is really just another religion, a faith in an /impersonal/ universe, where all comes about by accident and random chance, and random combinations resulting in order.

BOTH recognize the role of consciousness, just that while theists believe our finite consciousness came from a supreme, higher consciousness, atheists believe that our consciousness came from random chance and spontaneous generation.

THE DIFFERENCE being that while theists believe in an absolute moral order with God being the guiding light, atheists believe morality is relative with no one but man himself to set the rules, define the boundaries, and to guide human activity.

Many, many hay paddocks died for those straw men.

 

[cnm]

Atheists believe that human beings are the highest form of intelligence in the universe.

It is more likely they don't believe that, going on their history of disbelief.

 

[cnm]

That's not surprising given that most Jews are atheists. You're probably one yourself.

Is that like an atheist Muslim?

 

[cnm]

I know many atheists who are moral.

A better question is why would atheists believe being moral was important?

Valid morals are those community norms which assist the survival and prosperity of the community.

 

[cnm]

Then prove there is no god. Before toy make fool of your sef by claiming you cant prove a negative we can and do it all the time. We use null hypothesis or a significant negative correlation. Go ahead

Is absence of evidence evidence of absence?

 

[cnm]

Morals are effectively standards. Standards exist for logical reasons. They can't be just whatever society says they are.

Of course they are and must be so. Different societies will have different standards community norms.

 

[cnm]

And no one can actually prove them wrong. More to the point, atheists want to believe that man is answerable only to himself, sets his own rules and conduct, a far more appetizing position than having some higher authority one must answer to! Especially if you are a government wanting to call all of the shots.

In which case, like the House Speaker, you say gawd told you to do it.

 

[Eman623]

Is absence of evidence evidence of absence?

No, it is not.

 

[GLASNOST]

What I (we) do not believe is infinitely more important than what we do believe. Anyway, you wrote in your OP, “atheists have nothing to say against faith in God”. If that's true then I believe that's a good thing. But didn’t I already tell you that? Is there something else you'd like to know about what I believe?​

Nope! What do you believe? Answer the question

OK. Well, let me see now. If I am going to reply spontaneously:

1). I believe it's a good thing that Atheists respect those who have faith in God.
2). I believe evidence is better than faith.
3). I believe there is insufficient proof God exists.
4). I believe you are an ass.

Is that enough or do you want to know more?

 

[GLASNOST]

I have to say I've been known to poke fun at the adherents of the products of Bronze Age desert superstitions.

Can't blame you there, cnm.

 

[Muhammed]

Atheists believe that human beings are the highest form of intelligence in the universe.

Speaking as an athiest, no I don't. I don't believe that at all.