Zone1 Atheists have nothing to say against faith in God

[dblack]

There's an awful lot of you in debate forums and Facebook that do!

Well, sure. Trolls abound, even among atheists.

But there's a common misconception that atheists like to "attack" religion, or that they have some vendetta against it. I've only ever known one person like that, a coworker who'd been devout Christian and had a crisis of faith. He was unbearable. All the other atheists I know have no problem with religion. Many see it as a generally positive institution in society.

Sure, there are militant atheist trolls, especially on the internet, who like to attack religious beliefs. And there are religious zealots who like to attack atheists' beliefs (or lack thereof). But these people are, first and foremost, trolls who like to attack others' beliefs. Despite their volume, they are a minority.

Most atheists try to respect the religious beliefs of others, even if they don't agree with them. Just like most religious people respect the atheists in their company. Most people aren't trolls.

 

[toobfreak]

This entails a fallacy called "begging the question".

Actually not. The manifest universe is not in question, it is there for all to examine freely. What you mean to say is whether he is begging the /interpretation/ of the cause of the manifestation, not of the manifestation itself nor any question of its being.

 

[cnm]

Actually not. The manifest universe is not in question, it is there for all to examine freely. What you mean to say is whether he is begging the /interpretation/ of the cause of the manifestation, not of the manifestation itself nor any question of its being.

Actually yes.

 

[GLASNOST]

... there's a ... misconception that atheists like to "attack" religion ......

"Misconception". Exactly. The misconception comes from the low self conviction of their own so-called beliefs. It is similar [so similar!] to correcting someone who bashes Communism (for example). Just because someone knows more about Communism doesn't necessarily mean that they support it WHOLESALE. Anyway, I, myself, am not a Theist but those who are often see my disbelief in religious hokus-pokus as a personal attack on them. They have a problem within themselves. Look who's standing on the street corner and knocking on doors. Atheists? No. They don't care what others think/believe. Non-theists are comfortable in their own skin.

 

[Hafar1014]

Is absence of evidence evidence of absence?

No nothing is always nothing. Atheism is a chosen belief

 

[Hafar1014]

Valid morals are those community norms which assist the survival and prosperity of the community.

Unless your Muslim

 

[ding]

Of course they are and must be so. Different societies will have different standards community norms.

Incorrect. Even when slavery was accepted there were people who knew it was wrong.

 

[ding]

Valid morals are those community norms which assist the survival and prosperity of the community.

Valid morals? Are you suggesting that not all societal norms are valid? Because that contradicts what you said in post # 155.

 

[ding]

I guess I'll have to take the loss if and when it comes then.

It's not about the destination. It's about the journey. You are losing out now.

 

[ding]

Is that like an atheist Muslim?

I don't believe so.

 

[ding]

The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Which in the case of God would be what?

 

[GLASNOST]

Evidence.

Like what?

The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Which in the case of God would be what?

I am pleased that you want to know. The answer is .... there is no evidence at all.

 

[Meriweather]

I am pleased that you want to know. The answer is .... there is no evidence at all.

Personal experiences and testimonies are considered evidence.

When one dismisses, as myth, the evidence of Jesus, then there is the physical evidence of creation. When one dismisses creation as evidence of God, then the next logical question to ask is, What kind of evidence is acceptable to you?

The three temptations of Christ are an illustration of the temptations of mankind. First, the temptations of pleasure and comfort. The second temptation is that of power, domination, insisting on one's own way. The third is for God to bow to us...i.e., let us jump off a high precipice so you can save us all and prove yourself God.

 

[ding]

I am pleased that you want to know. The answer is .... there is no evidence at all.

None that you will accept which was my point all along.

 

[GLASNOST]

Personal experiences and testimonies are considered evidence.

Personal experiences yes ..... testimonies no. You haven't got a single person on your list of testimonies who have a sliver of personal experience.

 

[GLASNOST]

None that you will accept which was my point all along.

So ..... let's see the evidence.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Both sides exhibit blind faith.

Because any human can. That's why we need to train our minds.

 

[ding]

I, myself, am not a Theist but those who are often see my disbelief in religious hokus-pokus as a personal attack on them.

When you call what I believe "hokus-pokus" it most certainly is an attack on my beliefs. Apparently you are too much of a coward to own it. You are no different from racist southerners who disrespected blacks and racist Germans who disrespected Jews. But instead of disrespecting a class of people based upon ethnicity, you choose to disrespect a class of people based upon creed. I mean I really wish I could meet your kind in person.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Actually not.

Actually yes. Assuming the truth of the creator you are tasked to argue and support with evidence is a fallacy.

So just admit it is purely faith and move on. I don't get why you guys resist this. Are you embarrassed of your faith? Is your faith shaky?

 

[ding]

Actually yes. Assuming the truth of the creator you are tasked to argue and support with evidence is a fallacy.

So just admit it is purely faith and move on. I don't get why you guys resist this. Are you embarrassed of your faith? Is your faith shaky?

You mean like the universe was created in an unnatural way?