Atheism; An Intellectual Dead End

[Czernobog]

No. We have moved beyond an Einsteinian understanding of the cosmos. I have already presented the latest understanding of the universe - including the new model using Bomian trajectories, replacing outdated geodesics. If you truly want to understand the nature of the universe, I suggest you start by looking at quantum physics. It's not static, it cyclical - a closed loop. No beginning, and no end. And no need for God.

You've evidently missed the fact that you're talking about theoretical quantum physics.

You've apparently missed the fact that your "Big Bang" is just as theoretical. That's the thing about theories; they are held until evidence supports discording them for a more accurate theory. "Big Bang" is yeaterday, and doesn't fit with new understanding of cosmic phenomenon. Quantum loop is the new theory that better fits with observable phenomenon.

You're really not understanding this. Are you. It's not my theory, it's your faith based manner of thought that's in question here.

I understand perfectly. You are so insecure in your faith in myths, and fairy tales, that you need to justify your irrational magical thinking by trying to assign your primitive thought processes on everyone else. That's fine. Feel free. Just don't expect the rational people to make it easey by agreeing witth your flawed thought processes.

Rational people? Let me know when you meet one.

You clearly wouldn't recognise a rational person when you met one, so no point, really...

 

[Czernobog]

No. Based on that logic I have observed that science answers every unresolved question, eventually. I'm sorry that you are so ashamed of the fact that you allow emotion to override reason that you wnat to cram everyone into your tiny little worldview with you, but those of us who realy on reason, rationality, and science have no need for "fatih". We will leave that you you theists, and your imaginary gods.

Science proves many things. For example: Did you know that neuroscientists have recently come to some interesting conclusions about human brain activity based on extensive research experimentation? It's now demonstrably certain that every human decision is influenced by emotion to one degree or another. Based on the available science: How do you know your own perceptions and thought processes aren't significantly influenced by your own emotional reactions to religion and faith?

Care to provide a source for the research that suggests every decision is based on emotion?Contrary to your misconception, I have no emtional reaction to religion, or faith. The only one here trying to irrationally assign "faith" to observation is you.

You aren't very inquisitive. Try doing your own homework instead of waiting for your knowledge to be spoon fed.

Not my job. You have made a claim about some alleged paper. It is on you to provide surces for your claims. Experience teaches me that when someone refuses to do that, it is because they are full of shit.

Experience evidently hasn't taught you how to do your own research. My theory is that you won't investigate anything that falls outside your small parameters of understanding or disputes your strident fundamentalist mindset.

Like all your other "theories" this one is based on preconcieved irrational presumptions. You, however, make claims of alleged studies without any cited sources. Which suggests that you are full of shit.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

You could read this, but you won't. So I'll see if I can find something more your speed on Youtube.

.https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/j...al_review_manuscript_june_16_final.final_.pdf

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Science proves many things. For example: Did you know that neuroscientists have recently come to some interesting conclusions about human brain activity based on extensive research experimentation? It's now demonstrably certain that every human decision is influenced by emotion to one degree or another. Based on the available science: How do you know your own perceptions and thought processes aren't significantly influenced by your own emotional reactions to religion and faith?

Care to provide a source for the research that suggests every decision is based on emotion?Contrary to your misconception, I have no emtional reaction to religion, or faith. The only one here trying to irrationally assign "faith" to observation is you.

You aren't very inquisitive. Try doing your own homework instead of waiting for your knowledge to be spoon fed.

Not my job. You have made a claim about some alleged paper. It is on you to provide surces for your claims. Experience teaches me that when someone refuses to do that, it is because they are full of shit.

Experience evidently hasn't taught you how to do your own research. My theory is that you won't investigate anything that falls outside your small parameters of understanding or disputes your strident fundamentalist mindset.

Like all your other "theories" this one is based on preconcieved irrational presumptions. You, however, make claims of alleged studies without any cited sources. Which suggests that you are full of shit.

Your response seems irrefutable evidence of your own ignorance.

 

[Czernobog]

Care to provide a source for the research that suggests every decision is based on emotion?Contrary to your misconception, I have no emtional reaction to religion, or faith. The only one here trying to irrationally assign "faith" to observation is you.

You aren't very inquisitive. Try doing your own homework instead of waiting for your knowledge to be spoon fed.

Not my job. You have made a claim about some alleged paper. It is on you to provide surces for your claims. Experience teaches me that when someone refuses to do that, it is because they are full of shit.

Experience evidently hasn't taught you how to do your own research. My theory is that you won't investigate anything that falls outside your small parameters of understanding or disputes your strident fundamentalist mindset.

Like all your other "theories" this one is based on preconcieved irrational presumptions. You, however, make claims of alleged studies without any cited sources. Which suggests that you are full of shit.

Your response seems irrefutable evidence of your own ignorance.

Says the guy who makes up shit that he cannot provide evidence of. You obviously either have no clear how these discussions work, or just don't care that no one will take you seriously.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

You aren't very inquisitive. Try doing your own homework instead of waiting for your knowledge to be spoon fed.

Not my job. You have made a claim about some alleged paper. It is on you to provide surces for your claims. Experience teaches me that when someone refuses to do that, it is because they are full of shit.

Experience evidently hasn't taught you how to do your own research. My theory is that you won't investigate anything that falls outside your small parameters of understanding or disputes your strident fundamentalist mindset.

Like all your other "theories" this one is based on preconcieved irrational presumptions. You, however, make claims of alleged studies without any cited sources. Which suggests that you are full of shit.

Your response seems irrefutable evidence of your own ignorance.

Says the guy who makws up shit that he cannot provide evidence of.

So you can't read as well. That might be part of your problem.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

For lazy readers.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

The first video was probably a little too sophisticated for someone like you. Try this abridged, dumbed down explanation.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

You've evidently missed the fact that you're talking about theoretical quantum physics.

You've apparently missed the fact that your "Big Bang" is just as theoretical. That's the thing about theories; they are held until evidence supports discording them for a more accurate theory. "Big Bang" is yeaterday, and doesn't fit with new understanding of cosmic phenomenon. Quantum loop is the new theory that better fits with observable phenomenon.

You're really not understanding this. Are you. It's not my theory, it's your faith based manner of thought that's in question here.

I understand perfectly. You are so insecure in your faith in myths, and fairy tales, that you need to justify your irrational magical thinking by trying to assign your primitive thought processes on everyone else. That's fine. Feel free. Just don't expect the rational people to make it easey by agreeing witth your flawed thought processes.

Rational people? Let me know when you meet one.

You clearly wouldn't recognise a rational person when you met one, so no point, really...

Should you have any further questions regarding brain function or cognitive abilities I'll be happy to point you in the right direction.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

You're welcome.

 

[ding]

I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

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I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

BB is cyclical.

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You know this how?

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You know this how?

the observation of expansion from a central source, all matter is traveling at a finite angle - the matter will return to its origin as a mirror image causing recompaction till the new singularity again causes its expansion. Boomerang Theory.

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I see. And your proof for this is what?

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I see. And your proof for this is what?

ask the gunnery sargent, trajectory in a vacuum from a spherical expulsion .... how about it engineer, is all matter traveling in a straight line or en/mass accelerating to reconvene in unison 0.5(X)APEX (finite angle). the universe within the Cosmos.

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That doesn't sound like proof. Do you have any proof?

 

[ding]

Based on that simple logic: You have faith that science can answer every unresolved question, eventually.

No. Based on that logic I have observed that science answers every unresolved question, eventually. I'm sorry that you are so ashamed of the fact that you allow emotion to override reason that you wnat to cram everyone into your tiny little worldview with you, but those of us who realy on reason, rationality, and science have no need for "fatih". We will leave that you you theists, and your imaginary gods.

The problem is there is no question and answer you can come up with that will prove God doesn't exist. When it can defy all logic and requires no proof what chance do you have?

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The problem is there is no question and answer you can come up with that will prove God doesn't exist. When it can defy all logic and requires no proof what chance do you have?

one can prove christianity does not exist by removing its literature.

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You mean historical revisionism, right?

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You mean historical revisionism, right?

I'm serious bing, what are you that you have not read ... the spoken religion is the only means for communication with the Almighty. there is no intermediator. your book.

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Don't be silly. Of course there is. The Holy Spirit.

 

[ding]

I am an athiest. I simply do not believe in supernatural entities, gods, angels, demons supernatural events or anything of that sort. My attitude is that science can explain everything, eventually.

And some things science will never be able to explain.

And your evidence of this is? I'm sure there was a time when people thought it would be impossible to find a rational, scientific reason for the sun rising, or for "demon possession". Yet, eventually, it did - orbits, and epilepsy. Observation, and experience demonstrates that science has always found rational explanations for everything that was once thought "supernatural".

I think God is impossible to disprove. They'll never prove he exists either because he doesnt

That was hilarious. Do you understand what you just wrote? Your statement should be the poster child for confirmation bias.

Let me know the day my comment is proven wrong.

And as for atheism being a dead end. That's life. All life leads to a dead end.

Atheism teaches us to appreciate the time you have now. Don't cope with a shitty life in hopes of an afterlife. That's what religion asks you to do.

What you pray for God will give go be able to cope in this world we live

She should have been praying to change her woes not cope with them. Anyways it's an arrestive development song and the lyrics stuck.

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

 

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Oh I agree with you Skull Pilot on that.

But it is just that there are both a whole lot of amateur scientists and also a few professional ones who have made Science their Religion.

That's my point.

If Muhammed digs deeply enough into his own Philosophy to deal with the dilemma of who created his BB then I think he will see he needs more than just Science in his life. At the very least he needs Philosophy. And this will lead him at least to Deism I think.

How could the BB create itself? If it can than IT is GOD.

God is a man made concept.
We don't know if the BB even happened. It's all conjecture at this point. It's the best explanation we can come up with based on what we observe and understand.

I personally will reserve judgement on a supreme being there is not enough evidence one or the other at this point

The evidence is Creation itself.

No it's not.

Just because we don't know how the universe was created, if it was actually created at all, does not mean some supreme being is responsible for it

You are confusing evidence for proof. If you create something tangible, it can be used as evidence.

We don't know who or what created the universe or if it was created at all for that matter

The existence of a thing is not proof of anything but that it exists.

Our best understanding of the data tells us that it did have a beginning. We live in a universe which has never had an uncaused event. Therefore, there was a cause for the beginning. We know that the universe is a self referential system and in many ways behaves like a brain. We know that the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions that beings that know and create will eventually arise. We know that that potential existed when space and time cane into existence. We know that everything that has happened since space and time came into existence was required for beings that know and create to arise. We know from our own experiences that when we create something that it can be used as evidence to learn things about us. For the life of me I have no idea of what evidence you have that something came from nothing without a cause or what you could possibly attribute that cause to. Do you?

 

[BreezeWood]

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BB is cyclical.

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You know this how?

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You know this how?

the observation of expansion from a central source, all matter is traveling at a finite angle - the matter will return to its origin as a mirror image causing recompaction till the new singularity again causes its expansion. Boomerang Theory.

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I see. And your proof for this is what?

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I see. And your proof for this is what?

ask the gunnery sargent, trajectory in a vacuum from a spherical expulsion .... how about it engineer, is all matter traveling in a straight line or en/mass accelerating to reconvene in unison 0.5(X)APEX (finite angle). the universe within the Cosmos.

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That doesn't sound like proof. Do you have any proof?

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That doesn't sound like proof. Do you have any proof?

maybe an image will help you

Isaac Newton had the same problem, with people like you bing.

without garavity, the above example the trajectory traveling at a finite angle will eventually return to its origin and reload itself in the guns breach. the same for the celestrial bodies from the moment of Singularity.

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[sealybobo]

Based on that simple logic: You have faith that science can answer every unresolved question, eventually.

No. Based on that logic I have observed that science answers every unresolved question, eventually. I'm sorry that you are so ashamed of the fact that you allow emotion to override reason that you wnat to cram everyone into your tiny little worldview with you, but those of us who realy on reason, rationality, and science have no need for "fatih". We will leave that you you theists, and your imaginary gods.

The problem is there is no question and answer you can come up with that will prove God doesn't exist. When it can defy all logic and requires no proof what chance do you have?

That's just it; I don't have to prove non-existence. In science non-existence is the standard. It's called the null hypothosis. The null hypothesis is generally assumed to be true until evidence indicates otherwise. God is presumed to not exist, until objective evidence proves otherwise.

And you will never find that evidence unless you go looking for it which is why you are intellectually dead.

Pop culture atheists seem completely unaware of the fact that their thought processes are exactly like those of religious fundamentalists.

How?

 

[sealybobo]

No. Based on that logic I have observed that science answers every unresolved question, eventually. I'm sorry that you are so ashamed of the fact that you allow emotion to override reason that you wnat to cram everyone into your tiny little worldview with you, but those of us who realy on reason, rationality, and science have no need for "fatih". We will leave that you you theists, and your imaginary gods.

The problem is there is no question and answer you can come up with that will prove God doesn't exist. When it can defy all logic and requires no proof what chance do you have?

That's just it; I don't have to prove non-existence. In science non-existence is the standard. It's called the null hypothosis. The null hypothesis is generally assumed to be true until evidence indicates otherwise. God is presumed to not exist, until objective evidence proves otherwise.

And you will never find that evidence unless you go looking for it which is why you are intellectually dead.

Pop culture atheists seem completely unaware of the fact that their thought processes are exactly like those of religious fundamentalists.

Exactly and they continue to deny it

We don't see it.

And are you admitting religious fundamentalist are wrong or bad? How are you different from a Fundy?

 

[sealybobo]

No. Based on that logic I have observed that science answers every unresolved question, eventually. I'm sorry that you are so ashamed of the fact that you allow emotion to override reason that you wnat to cram everyone into your tiny little worldview with you, but those of us who realy on reason, rationality, and science have no need for "fatih". We will leave that you you theists, and your imaginary gods.

Science proves many things. For example: Did you know that neuroscientists have recently come to some interesting conclusions about human brain activity based on extensive research experimentation? It's now demonstrably certain that every human decision is influenced by emotion to one degree or another. Based on the available science: How do you know your own perceptions and thought processes aren't significantly influenced by your own emotional reactions to religion and faith?

Care to provide a source for the research that suggests every decision is based on emotion?Contrary to your misconception, I have no emtional reaction to religion, or faith. The only one here trying to irrationally assign "faith" to observation is you.

You aren't very inquisitive. Try doing your own homework instead of waiting for your knowledge to be spoon fed.

Not my job. You have made a claim about some alleged paper. It is on you to provide surces for your claims. Experience teaches me that when someone refuses to do that, it is because they are full of shit.

Experience evidently hasn't taught you how to do your own research. My theory is that you won't investigate anything that falls outside your small parameters of understanding or disputes your strident fundamentalist mindset.

I will investigate any claim you put forward.

What I won't do, or can't do, is believe something I don't believe. I can't make that leap of faith because I want to. That's wishful thinking.

We are investigating every word you put forward. Are you unhappy because we aren't buying it like you did? Sorry

 

[sealybobo]

And some things science will never be able to explain.

And your evidence of this is? I'm sure there was a time when people thought it would be impossible to find a rational, scientific reason for the sun rising, or for "demon possession". Yet, eventually, it did - orbits, and epilepsy. Observation, and experience demonstrates that science has always found rational explanations for everything that was once thought "supernatural".

I think God is impossible to disprove. They'll never prove he exists either because he doesnt

That was hilarious. Do you understand what you just wrote? Your statement should be the poster child for confirmation bias.

Let me know the day my comment is proven wrong.

And as for atheism being a dead end. That's life. All life leads to a dead end.

Atheism teaches us to appreciate the time you have now. Don't cope with a shitty life in hopes of an afterlife. That's what religion asks you to do.

What you pray for God will give go be able to cope in this world we live

She should have been praying to change her woes not cope with them. Anyways it's an arrestive development song and the lyrics stuck.

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

 

[hobelim]

Why is it that atheists never start these threads?

I started a couple of threads demonstrating the differences between atheism, and theism, and was attacked for "hating Christians".

When you throw water on someone in a deep sleep their reflex is to attack.

When you challenge those who maintain irrational beliefs with rational questions or well known facts, you become the enemy.

Might have been more interesting if he could even begin to examine his own thought processes.

I know, he seems to be set in the position that unless God reveals himself on CNN or can be examined under a microscope in a laboratory he must not exist..

Pretty stupid for someone who likes to think that he is smarter than everyone else.

I know. How stupid to expect evidence to accept the existence of a thing. Now, excuse me while I ride off on my pink unicorn, to go have lunch with queen of the fairies, and the Bandersnatch, with Harry, Hermoine, and Ron.

If you want evidence of God you have to become a creature capable of perceiving God. The way is clear. Follow the instruction given in the law knowing that the words are figurative, the subjects hidden. Its easy. You probably are already doing much of it naturally. Do this, don't do that. Don't bow down and worship the work of human hands. Do not speak falsely in the name of God. Do not mislead others through religious deception. Do not eat the vile and contaminating teaching of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply. Do not mix dairy with meat meaning do not mix what is taught to sustain children with what is taught to adults who have teeth., etc., How hard is that?

Cleanse your thoughts. Purify your consciousness, what the ancients called the soul, and be refined, then diligently stand guard over the purity of your own mind for the rest of your days. Would you have a problem with that?

Do it and God will make himself known to you and you will have far more evidence than you can handle... If you apply an additional effort, you might even see the kingdom of God in power and find out what eternal life is before you die... .

You have something better to do?