At my age of 80 I may not see 2030... But many of the rest of you ... where will you get the following???

[healthmyths]

That video is a lie. It's edited to cut out where Biden said he guaranteed fossil fuels would be gone by 2050.

Wow! So will he ALSO guarantee to replace the following items made from oil and guarantee the costs won't go up due to trying to find replacements?

• 2 billion tires are made every year from 300 million barrels of oil or 7 gallons per tire to make the Isoprene used to make the tire.
• 94% of roads in America use Asphalt which use 1.4 Billion barrels of oil.

Products made from petroleum | Ranken Energy Corporation

www.ranken-energy.com

These and 6,000 items will cost more because of Biden's "guarantee to rid fossil fuels"!
For example :Fortunately, science has found a way to produce isoprene, the main ingredient of rubber without having to use oil in the process.
They took plants such as corn cobs, switchgrass, and corn and used E. coli bacteria to break down their cellulose-based sugars.

How Much Oil is Needed to Make One Car Tire? - TireMart.com Tire Blog

Today, you can buy tires that can carry your vehicle tens of thousands of miles. Modern tires are the results of decades of tire engineering progress. The tire compound is a versatile material that comes with a range of properties depending on the raw materials used to manufacture it.

blog.tiremart.com

Question folks.. How much will it cost to replace the 7 gallons of oil used to make the tire that has average price today of:$150.

https://www.upstart.com/learn/how-much-do-tires-cost/#:~:text=The%20general%20pricing%20for%20inexpensive,including%20the%20price%20of%20installation.

And that is just 1 product used to make a tire that is used move all vehicles including EVs!

 

[healthmyths]

No, you look at what YOU posted. Takes 4 years on average for a lease to start producing oil. That means when we became a net exporter in 2019, that was due to leases issued no later than 2015.

Who was president in 2015?

Obama was and again... the ONLY area where a president can affect oil production is on FEDERAL LAND!
Look at the attached again... Obama signed
311 fewer leases in 2014 then he did in 2013,
305 fewer in 2015 than in 2014 and
332 fewer in 2016 than 2015!
So on Federal Land Obama , out of 8 years, 7 years where he signed fewer leases each year..Obama averaged 118 leases per month.
REMEMBER these are Federal lands with the FACTS showing Obama (and Bush by the way) reduced signing federal leases so you need to
understand these distinctions!

 

[Faun]

Obama was and again... the ONLY area where a president can affect oil production is on FEDERAL LAND!
Look at the attached again... Obama signed
311 fewer leases in 2014 then he did in 2013,
305 fewer in 2015 than in 2014 and
332 fewer in 2016 than 2015!
So on Federal Land Obama , out of 8 years, 7 years where he signed fewer leases each year..Obama averaged 118 leases per month.
REMEMBER these are Federal lands with the FACTS showing Obama (and Bush by the way) reduced signing federal leases so you need to
understand these distinctions!

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LOL

That's a lot of typing just to admit Trump did not make us net exporters.

 

[healthmyths]

LOL

That's a lot of typing just to admit Trump did not make us net exporters.

I know, I know... just as Emperor Joseph II in the movie "Amadeus" said..."there are simply too many notes, that's all."

But as intelligent people know that don't have an 8.5 second attention span, FACTS are Factcheck.org said "energy independent" under Trump.
But through the first 11 months of 2021, the U.S. also was on its way to being a net exporter of energy last year — and, thus, by that definition, “energy independent.”All forms of energy combined, the country exported 23.0 quadrillion British thermal units of energy in that time span, which was more than the 19.6 quadrillion BTUs of energy it imported, according to the EIA’s latest monthly figures.
In those same 11 months, the U.S. also produced 89.0 quadrillion BTUs of energy, slightly more than the 88.5 quadrillion BTUs of energy it consumed.
The U.S. also produced more total energy than it consumed under Trump in 2019 and 2020.

Examining U.S. 'Energy Independence' Claims - FactCheck.org

When politicians say that the United States was “energy independent” under former President Donald Trump, some people may get the false impression that the U.S. was 100% self-sufficient. The country still relied on foreign sources of energy, including oil.

www.factcheck.org

 

[Faun]

I know, I know... just as Emperor Joseph II in the movie "Amadeus" said..."there are simply too many notes, that's all."

But as intelligent people know that don't have an 8.5 second attention span, FACTS are Factcheck.org said "energy independent" under Trump.
But through the first 11 months of 2021, the U.S. also was on its way to being a net exporter of energy last year — and, thus, by that definition, “energy independent.”All forms of energy combined, the country exported 23.0 quadrillion British thermal units of energy in that time span, which was more than the 19.6 quadrillion BTUs of energy it imported, according to the EIA’s latest monthly figures.
In those same 11 months, the U.S. also produced 89.0 quadrillion BTUs of energy, slightly more than the 88.5 quadrillion BTUs of energy it consumed.
The U.S. also produced more total energy than it consumed under Trump in 2019 and 2020.

Examining U.S. 'Energy Independence' Claims - FactCheck.org

When politicians say that the United States was “energy independent” under former President Donald Trump, some people may get the false impression that the U.S. was 100% self-sufficient. The country still relied on foreign sources of energy, including oil.

www.factcheck.org

Yes, it's true we became net exporters while Trump was president; but as you proved, it was due to leases issued at least 4 years earlier snd had nothing to do with Trump.

 

[healthmyths]

Yes, it's true we became net exporters while Trump was president; but as you proved, it was due to leases issued at least 4 years earlier snd had nothing to do with Trump.

YES it had to do with the fact that Obama signed FEWER leases on Federal Land as attached shows.
Non-Federal land production was the ONLY place to get oil exportation increase.
"But since taking office, the administration has sent many negative signals to investors about oil and gas development. The uncertainty caused by federal policies has frozen investments, according to Goldman Sachs.
And comments like those documented here from administration officials make clear they view such projects as avoidable or bad.

Drilling Down on Federal Leasing Facts

The American Petroleum Institute (API) is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our more than 600 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry.

www.api.org

 

[Faun]

YES it had to do with the fact that Obama signed FEWER leases on Federal Land as attached shows.
Non-Federal land production was the ONLY place to get oil exportation increase.
"But since taking office, the administration has sent many negative signals to investors about oil and gas development. The uncertainty caused by federal policies has frozen investments, according to Goldman Sachs.
And comments like those documented here from administration officials make clear they view such projects as avoidable or bad.

Drilling Down on Federal Leasing Facts

The American Petroleum Institute (API) is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our more than 600 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry.

www.api.org

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Still has nothing to do with Trump.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That is hydroelectric power, dams. Not wind turbines and solar panels.

Brazil has shitty electricity, constant black outs, too much hydroelectric hence they suffer when there is no rain.
Swede is going nuke
Norway is filthy rich in oil, and hydropower.
Canada is ramping up nuclear power.

Non Segwaytur

We'll beat them all with Segways, Glyders, and inline skates!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Denmark goal is to completely phase out fossil fuel by 2050. Currently there electrical needed are supplied by renewable energy at about 60% of it energy that is being produced. In the last 10 years they have double their output.

Another Year, Another Record In Denmark's Renewable Energy Progress - CleanTechnica

The fresh numbers from 2022 show that Denmark's electricity needs are now covered by 60% renewables. In just 8 years from now, that figure will quadruple.

cleantechnica.com

T

To BP or Not to BP

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They seem to don't realize that this is about making electricity.

That why they store electricity to be used later on. Still your talking about Texas and they love windmills. If you live in Texas you have seen the windmills and solar panel farms. Well if you live in rural areas.


"Wind technologies generate far more energy than they consume," Dale said. "Our study showed that wind actually produces enough surplus electricity to support up to 72 hours of either battery or geologic storage. This suggests that the industry could deploy enough storage to cope with three-day lulls in wind, common to many weather systems, and still provide net electricity to society."


The results were especially good for onshore wind turbines. "We found that onshore wind backed by three days of geologic storage can support annual growth rates of 100 percent – in other words, double in size each year – and still maintain an energy surplus," he said.

Study: Wind farms can store and deliver surplus energy â Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

The dramatic growth of the wind and solar industries has led utilities to begin testing large-scale technologies capable of storing surplus clean electricity and delivering it on demand when sunlight and wind are in short supply.

climate.nasa.gov

Bottom line you store surplus energy.

Dr. Who's-Your-Daddy and the Time Lords

Because this ruling class deserves no future, it wants to take us backwards to the windmills of the Middle Ages.

 

[Kilroy2]

Dr. Who's-Your-Daddy and the Time Lords

Because this ruling class deserves no future, it wants to take us backwards to the windmills of the Middle Ages.

“Letting it get to you. You know what that’s called? Being alive. Best thing there is. Being alive right now is all that counts.”


. The Thirteenth Doctor, THE TSURANGA CONUNDRUM

Breathing clean air and not have to worry about air pollutants helps

.

The future is already here – it’s just not very evenly distributed.“ - William Gibson​

Which is why denier deny.

 

[Kilroy2]

To BP or Not to BP

Chronophobia is real

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

“Letting it get to you. You know what that’s called? Being alive. Best thing there is. Being alive right now is all that counts.”


. The Thirteenth Doctor, THE TSURANGA CONUNDRUM

Breathing clean air and not have to worry about air pollutants helps

.

The future is already here – it’s just not very evenly distributed.“ - William Gibson​

Which is why denier deny.

Nature Is a Crime Against Humanity

Continue to deny that auto emissions kill off viruses. Natural air, which the jealous, unproductive, and mentally inferior enemies of human progress call "Clean Air," is the most toxic of all atmospheres humans have had to put up with.

Nature-worshippers are gaining power because of your weak and college-dumbed enemies on the Right, who never consider this historical fact. Both halves of the spectrum arose from the same class and only argue with their opposite numbers on "the other" side. No independent thinking is allowed on political issues, which is consistent with the ruling class's Constitution, which forces us to accept everything from one Party or everything from the other Party.

 

[Kilroy2]

Nature Is a Crime Against Humanity

Continue to deny that auto emissions kill off viruses. Natural air, which the jealous, unproductive, and mentally inferior enemies of human progress call "Clean Air," is the most toxic of all atmospheres humans have had to put up with.

Nature-worshippers are gaining power because of your weak and college-dumbed enemies on the Right, who never consider this historical fact. Both halves of the spectrum arose from the same class and only argue with their opposite numbers on "the other" side. No independent thinking is allowed on political issues, which is consistent with the ruling class's Constitution, which forces us to accept everything from one Party or everything from the other Party.

your getting excited. Take a breath of fresh air. and relax. Before you charge into battle, know who is your real enemy.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Why Aren't You Worried about a Shortage of Whale Oil?​

In the 1970s it was petroleum. Back in 1905 it was timber. In other eras it was food, rubber, whale oil, charcoal, labor, and tin, to name just a few. Throughout human history, from one age to the next, there have been critical shortages of resources. And in each instance, there have been experts who predicted that we were soon to run out of the resource and that society was doomed.

Forecasts of doom and gloom have existed for as long as civilization has existed. But all these forecasts have been wrong. No civilization has collapsed because of the depletion of a resource. Again and again, so-called resource crises have been overcome. And it hasn't been because people learned to live with less. Nor has it been because governments stepped in to regulate production and consumption.

Instead, freely functioning markets have eliminated the shortages. When markets have been allowed to operate, shortages have induced price increases. People have reacted to these increases by finding substitutes for the scarce resource, by adopting new technologies, and by resource conservation.

Why Aren't You Worried about a Shortage of Whale Oil?

America's first oil crisis occurred long before the 1970s—and it was solved without the government stepping in.

reason.com

In the 70's the shortage was caused by a pinched supply not a shortage. I have no issue with alternative energy , but being forced by the government to accept it is bullshit. Using tax payer money to fund it is the same.

If you really want advances in the technology give companies that invest their own money tax breaks. No Government in the history of the world has made things better by sticking it's bureaucratic nose in it. If you take the partisan political shit out of any issue more people will more easily accept what your trying to accomplish.

 

[Magnus]

In the 70's the shortage was caused by a pinched supply not a shortage. I have no issue with alternative energy , but being forced by the government to accept it is bullshit. Using tax payer money to fund it is the same.

If you really want advances in the technology give companies that invest their own money tax breaks. No Government in the history of the world has made things better by sticking it's bureaucratic nose in it. If you take the partisan political shit out of any issue more people will more easily accept what your trying to accomplish.

How are they "forcing" you to accept it? Is the government coming to your home and forcing you to use an EV?

As for using taxpayer money to fund technologies? How do you think the civilian aviation industry, Doppler radar, MRIs, GPS etc etc got off the ground?

All of them and many many more were funded by the US government and paid for by our tax dollars. Do your research before bitching about it. Good luck.

 

[Flopper]

I've put this up many times and some of you dummies complain the numbers change! DUH!
Of course numbers change but if the following numbers are off by 50% i.e. there won't be 26,400,000 EV cars on the road or 3,951,310 EV trucks (which Biden's EEI.org apparently doesn't COUNT trucks!) by the time I am no longer here... BUT the rest of you... you will have to figure out where to come up with $600 TRILLION to build the power plants to generate the additional electricity.
I just don't comprehend why more people don't understand.

In 2022, about 4.24 trillion kWh of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

About 60% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases.
About 18% was from nuclear energy, and about 22% was from renewable energy sources.
Almost 2/3rds of all our electricity comes from what this idiot wants to do away with!

AND NOTE: THE attached doesn't account for the fact that this idiot wants to do away with the electricity generating plants that provide 2/3rds of our electricity!

So folks I'm not going to be bothered with worrying as to where $600 Trillion to $1.2 Quadrillion is going to come from... as I probably won't be around to suffer from
constant electricity shortages due to EVs and the idiot's GUARANTEE!:

Biden guarantees: I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” September 06, 2019, 5:49 PM


View attachment 802555

 

[Flopper]

I've put this up many times and some of you dummies complain the numbers change! DUH!
Of course numbers change but if the following numbers are off by 50% i.e. there won't be 26,400,000 EV cars on the road or 3,951,310 EV trucks (which Biden's EEI.org apparently doesn't COUNT trucks!) by the time I am no longer here... BUT the rest of you... you will have to figure out where to come up with $600 TRILLION to build the power plants to generate the additional electricity.
I just don't comprehend why more people don't understand.

In 2022, about 4.24 trillion kWh of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

About 60% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases.
About 18% was from nuclear energy, and about 22% was from renewable energy sources.
Almost 2/3rds of all our electricity comes from what this idiot wants to do away with!

AND NOTE: THE attached doesn't account for the fact that this idiot wants to do away with the electricity generating plants that provide 2/3rds of our electricity!

So folks I'm not going to be bothered with worrying as to where $600 Trillion to $1.2 Quadrillion is going to come from... as I probably won't be around to suffer from
constant electricity shortages due to EVs and the idiot's GUARANTEE!:

Biden guarantees: I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” September 06, 2019, 5:49 PM


View attachment 802555

According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, the typical American drives their car about 13,500 miles per year. A typical EV would require about 3,857 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity. For 26.4 million EVs, that’s over 101 terawatt-hours (TWh) of electricity in a year or about 2.5% of what the U.S. grid produced in 2020. Although it’s a small percentage, it’s much more than what we’re currently asking of the electrical grid.

Can the Power Grid Handle the Growing EV Demand?

Despite the big increase, this new level of demand is manageable. But it will take planning on the part of utility companies in order to handle it well. Without proper preparation, a scenario in which our busiest cities see their electrical grids regularly overloaded during peak-demand times is not at all far-fetched.

The good news is that, even though electric cars will take over eventually, the change in electrical demand won’t happen overnight. There’s time to plan and adjust, and utilities can do a number of things to prepare.

Electric utilities can manage usage by throttling charging rates at peak usage periods. Charging will occur but slower during peak periods. Also, changes are being made now in our electric grids. Hundreds more plants are being connected to the 3 major grids so more power will be available during peak periods. And lastly, more reenable power generation is coming on line. By 2030 33% to 50% of US power production will come from renewable energy.

How much electricity would it take to power all cars if they were electric?

The US would need to produce 20-50% more electricity annually if all cars were electric vehicles.

usafacts.org

 

[Flopper]

According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, the typical American drives their car about 13,500 miles per year. A typical EV would require about 3,857 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity. For 26.4 million EVs, that’s over 101 terawatt-hours (TWh) of electricity in a year or about 2.5% of what the U.S. grid produced in 2020. Although it’s a small percentage, it’s much more than what we’re currently asking of the electrical grid.

Can the Power Grid Handle the Growing EV Demand?

Despite the big increase, this new level of demand is manageable. But it will take planning on the part of utility companies in order to handle it well. Without proper preparation, a scenario in which our busiest cities see their electrical grids regularly overloaded during peak-demand times is not at all far-fetched.

The good news is that, even though electric cars will take over eventually, the change in electrical demand won’t happen overnight. There’s time to plan and adjust, and utilities can do a number of things to prepare.

Electric utilities can manage usage by throttling charging rates at peak usage periods. Charging will occur but slower during peak periods. Also, changes are being made now in our electric grids. Hundreds more plants are being connected to the 3 major grids so more power will be available during peak periods. And lastly, more reenable power generation is coming on line. By 2030 33% to 50% of US power production will come from renewable energy.

Fossil fuel generating plants will remaining online as more renewable energy sources are brought online. The amount of power being generate by fossil fuel plans will slowly decrease until there is no need. It is estimated most of them will be taken offline around mid century but in some parts of the country, they will be operating till the end of the century.

How much electricity would it take to power all cars if they were electric?

The US would need to produce 20-50% more electricity annually if all cars were electric vehicles.

usafacts.org

 

[Flopper]

According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, the typical American drives their car about 13,500 miles per year. A typical EV would require about 3,857 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity. For 26.4 million EVs, that’s over 101 terawatt-hours (TWh) of electricity in a year or about 2.5% of what the U.S. grid produced in 2020. Although it’s a small percentage, it’s much more than what we’re currently asking of the electrical grid.

Can the Power Grid Handle the Growing EV Demand?

Despite the big increase, this new level of demand is manageable. But it will take planning on the part of utility companies in order to handle it well. Without proper preparation, a scenario in which our busiest cities see their electrical grids regularly overloaded during peak-demand times is not at all far-fetched.

The good news is that, even though electric cars will take over eventually, the change in electrical demand won’t happen overnight. There’s time to plan and adjust, and utilities can do a number of things to prepare.

Electric utilities can manage usage by throttling charging rates at peak usage periods. Charging will occur but slower during peak periods. Also, changes are being made now in our electric grids. Hundreds more plants are being connected to the 3 major grids so more power will be available during peak periods. And lastly, more reenable power generation is coming on line. By 2030 33% to 50% of US power production will come from renewable energy.

How much electricity would it take to power all cars if they were electric?

The US would need to produce 20-50% more electricity annually if all cars were electric vehicles.

usafacts.org

I've put this up many times and some of you dummies complain the numbers change! DUH!
Of course numbers change but if the following numbers are off by 50% i.e. there won't be 26,400,000 EV cars on the road or 3,951,310 EV trucks (which Biden's EEI.org apparently doesn't COUNT trucks!) by the time I am no longer here... BUT the rest of you... you will have to figure out where to come up with $600 TRILLION to build the power plants to generate the additional electricity.
I just don't comprehend why more people don't understand.

In 2022, about 4.24 trillion kWh of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

About 60% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases.
About 18% was from nuclear energy, and about 22% was from renewable energy sources.
Almost 2/3rds of all our electricity comes from what this idiot wants to do away with!

AND NOTE: THE attached doesn't account for the fact that this idiot wants to do away with the electricity generating plants that provide 2/3rds of our electricity!

So folks I'm not going to be bothered with worrying as to where $600 Trillion to $1.2 Quadrillion is going to come from... as I probably won't be around to suffer from
constant electricity shortages due to EVs and the idiot's GUARANTEE!:

Biden guarantees: I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” September 06, 2019, 5:49 PM


View attachment 802555

According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, the typical American drives their car about 13,500 miles per year. A typical EV would require about 3,857 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity. For 26.4 million EVs, that’s over 101 terawatt-hours (TWh) of electricity in a year or about 2.5% of what the U.S. grid produced in 2020. Although it’s a small percentage, it’s much more than what we’re currently asking of the electrical grid.

Can the Power Grid Handle the Growing EV Demand?

Despite the big increase, this new level of demand is manageable. But it will take planning on the part of utility companies in order to handle it well. Without proper preparation, a scenario in which our busiest cities see their electrical grids regularly overloaded during peak-demand times is not at all far-fetched.

The good news is that, even though electric cars will take over eventually, the change in electrical demand won’t happen overnight. There’s time to plan and adjust, and utilities can do a number of things to prepare.

Electric utilities can manage usage by throttling charging rates at peak usage periods. Charging will occur but slower during peak periods. Also, changes are being made now in our electric grids. Hundreds more plants are being connected to the 3 major grids so more power will be available during peak periods. And lastly, more reenable power generation is coming on line. By 2030 33% to 50% of US power production will come from renewable energy. The fossil fuel plants will remain on line but as renewable energy sources are added, less and less power will be generated by fossil fuel plants. Eventually they will be shut down when they str no longer needed. That is planned to occur beginning about mid century.

How much electricity would it take to power all cars if they were electric?

The US would need to produce 20-50% more electricity annually if all cars were electric vehicles.

usafacts.org