As Trump Cuts Science Budgets, Researchers Look Abroad. This Will Be The Death Knell Of The U.S. Economy.

[Nobody911]

This will be the death knell of the most prosperous economy in the history of the world. Scientific innovation and the world's best and brightest studying at American universities is one of the biggest reasons for this country's economic prosperity. Trump is destroying all of this.

Scientists are not going to continue to work in this country under Trump's hostile regime that does not value education and scientific research. It's that simple.

From the Washington Post --

Kartik Sheth, 53, is an astrophysicist and, until a few weeks ago, was the associate chief scientist at NASA. On March 10, he got an unexpected email: “I regret to inform you that you are being affected by a [reduction-in-force] action. … Therefore, you will be separated from NASA at the close of business on April 10, 2025.”

One of 23 NASA employees laid off that day, including everyone in the Office of the Chief Scientist, Sheth is now looking for a job — anywhere. On Friday, he arrived in Paris to attend a conference and check out the environment for scientific research.

“I don’t know if I’ll find a job in America given the cuts to science,” he said. “I think we could have a pretty major brain drain in the country. … I think people are going to start to wonder if this is the place for me to continue to do science.’”

With billions of dollars in research grants eliminated or frozen by the Trump administration, scientists across America in a broad array of fields face an uncertain future and the possibility of layoffs. An untold number like Sheth are looking abroad, thinking of continuing their careers far from the turmoil here.

While it’s unclear how many will actually make the move, American scientists are being actively recruited by countries including France, Spain, Germany and China that are hoping to reverse the flow of expertise into the United States that has been the norm for decades.

“People who were certain that they were going to spend their careers in the U.S., and stay in the U.S. for the next phase, are now totally reconsidering,” said David Baker, a biochemist at the University of Washington who shared the Nobel Prize in chemistry in 2024.

The United States now faces a “wholesale change in mentality” across the science community as a result of President Donald Trump’s actions, he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2025/05/21/brain-drain-science-cuts-jobs-trump/

Yes, Trump will undoubtedly make China and Canada great again! lol.

Cuts to science funding in the U.S. will significantly undermine America’s global leadership in science by weakening its innovation capacity, driving talent overseas, and ceding ground to competing nations like China and Canada.

Loss of Competitive Edge: Experts warn that proposed cuts of 20% to 45% in research budgets mean the U.S. will no longer be able to compete with China in biomedical research and other cutting-edge fields, effectively losing the innovation race 1.

Brain Drain: Reduced funding and job losses are already forcing American scientists and researchers to seek opportunities abroad, where countries are increasing their investments in science. This results in a generational loss of talent that will weaken the U.S. scientific workforce and slow future discoveries 56.

Erosion of Research Infrastructure: Deep cuts to agencies such as the NIH, NSF, and CDC threaten the stability of research programs at leading universities and labs, which rely heavily on federal grants. This jeopardizes the training of new scientists and the development of breakthrough technologies 267.

Economic and Strategic Consequences: Scientific innovation drives economic growth, public health advancements, and national security. Undermining America’s research leadership risks long-term economic decline and diminished global influence in science and technology 467.

Global Context: While the U.S. cuts funding, other nations like China are increasing theirs substantially, and countries like Canada are actively recruiting displaced U.S. scientists. This shift will reorient the global center of scientific excellence away from the U.S. 25.

In summary, the cuts threaten to permanently relegate the U.S. to a follower status in global science, eroding decades of leadership and innovation that have fueled its economy and geopolitical power 1257.

sources:
1. What They Are Saying: Cuts to Research Funding Will Hurt Patients, Economy, and America’s Global Leadership – Science & Technology Action Committee
2. Budget Cuts to Science Programs Are Threatening Our Global Leadership | Association of American Universities (AAU)
3. https://research.wsu.edu/news/break...ovation-economy-say-lawmakers-and-researchers
4. | EarthSky
5. “A Generational Loss of Talent” - Scientist Warns Funding Cuts in Science, Tech, and Health Undermine U.S. Leadership
6. Science Under Siege: The Devastating Consequences of Public Health and Research Cuts
7. To drive health breakthroughs and protect global leadership and competitiveness, ASBMB urges Congress to oppose deep research and staffing cuts
8. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/5151196-science-budget-cuts-threaten-america/

 

[elektra]

Yes, Trump will undoubtedly make China and Canada great again! lol.

Cuts to science funding in the U.S. will significantly undermine America’s global leadership in science by weakening its innovation capacity, driving talent overseas, and ceding ground to competing nations like China and Canada.

Loss of Competitive Edge: Experts warn that proposed cuts of 20% to 45% in research budgets mean the U.S. will no longer be able to compete with China in biomedical research and other cutting-edge fields, effectively losing the innovation race 1.

Brain Drain: Reduced funding and job losses are already forcing American scientists and researchers to seek opportunities abroad, where countries are increasing their investments in science. This results in a generational loss of talent that will weaken the U.S. scientific workforce and slow future discoveries 56.

Erosion of Research Infrastructure: Deep cuts to agencies such as the NIH, NSF, and CDC threaten the stability of research programs at leading universities and labs, which rely heavily on federal grants. This jeopardizes the training of new scientists and the development of breakthrough technologies 267.

Economic and Strategic Consequences: Scientific innovation drives economic growth, public health advancements, and national security. Undermining America’s research leadership risks long-term economic decline and diminished global influence in science and technology 467.

Global Context: While the U.S. cuts funding, other nations like China are increasing theirs substantially, and countries like Canada are actively recruiting displaced U.S. scientists. This shift will reorient the global center of scientific excellence away from the U.S. 25.

In summary, the cuts threaten to permanently relegate the U.S. to a follower status in global science, eroding decades of leadership and innovation that have fueled its economy and geopolitical power 1257.

sources:
1. What They Are Saying: Cuts to Research Funding Will Hurt Patients, Economy, and America’s Global Leadership – Science & Technology Action Committee
2. Budget Cuts to Science Programs Are Threatening Our Global Leadership | Association of American Universities (AAU)
3. https://research.wsu.edu/news/break...ovation-economy-say-lawmakers-and-researchers
4. | EarthSky
5. “A Generational Loss of Talent” - Scientist Warns Funding Cuts in Science, Tech, and Health Undermine U.S. Leadership
6. Science Under Siege: The Devastating Consequences of Public Health and Research Cuts
7. To drive health breakthroughs and protect global leadership and competitiveness, ASBMB urges Congress to oppose deep research and staffing cuts
8. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/5151196-science-budget-cuts-threaten-america/

Hahaha, China is given our technology, name one great scientific advance China is pursuing that was not given to them but was developed by themselves

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

China is a Marxist country, what they do is not sustainable.

Billions? You are dumb. Yearly around $8 trillion dollars is spent on the green scam

Trump's crypto coin is a scam. Green energy is not.

Talking to someone who just makes shit up like you is pointless. You're simply intellectually lazy and stupid.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

We agree, you cant make sense of the simple.​

Doc pooperous, it dont matter what you say he is or isn't. It matters what he claims​

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It's not his current job, gomer. His last job was with NASA.

 

[Crepitus]

This will be the death knell of the most prosperous economy in the history of the world. Scientific innovation and the world's best and brightest studying at American universities is one of the biggest reasons for this country's economic prosperity. Trump is destroying all of this.

Scientists are not going to continue to work in this country under Trump's hostile regime that does not value education and scientific research. It's that simple.

From the Washington Post --

Kartik Sheth, 53, is an astrophysicist and, until a few weeks ago, was the associate chief scientist at NASA. On March 10, he got an unexpected email: “I regret to inform you that you are being affected by a [reduction-in-force] action. … Therefore, you will be separated from NASA at the close of business on April 10, 2025.”

One of 23 NASA employees laid off that day, including everyone in the Office of the Chief Scientist, Sheth is now looking for a job — anywhere. On Friday, he arrived in Paris to attend a conference and check out the environment for scientific research.

“I don’t know if I’ll find a job in America given the cuts to science,” he said. “I think we could have a pretty major brain drain in the country. … I think people are going to start to wonder if this is the place for me to continue to do science.’”

With billions of dollars in research grants eliminated or frozen by the Trump administration, scientists across America in a broad array of fields face an uncertain future and the possibility of layoffs. An untold number like Sheth are looking abroad, thinking of continuing their careers far from the turmoil here.

While it’s unclear how many will actually make the move, American scientists are being actively recruited by countries including France, Spain, Germany and China that are hoping to reverse the flow of expertise into the United States that has been the norm for decades.

“People who were certain that they were going to spend their careers in the U.S., and stay in the U.S. for the next phase, are now totally reconsidering,” said David Baker, a biochemist at the University of Washington who shared the Nobel Prize in chemistry in 2024.

The United States now faces a “wholesale change in mentality” across the science community as a result of President Donald Trump’s actions, he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2025/05/21/brain-drain-science-cuts-jobs-trump/

The brain drain is already causing casualties. Just look at the two recent NWS failures.

 

[elektra]

Trump's crypto coin is a scam. Green energy is not.

Talking to someone who just makes shit up like you is pointless. You're simply intellectually lazy and stupid.

I quoted and linked, to the scientist you based your thread on. I quoted the man directly, not some news article like you did.

Fine, the scientist is a liar as you state just stated. I cant be the one lying with direct quotes from the man you made claims about.

You really are that stupid

 

[Crepitus]

Trump clearly understands that raising taxes will not prevent the government from going bankrupt

Why not?

 

[elektra]

It's not his current job, gomer. His last job was with NASA.

Yes, nasa does climate and green energy scamming, you really are proving you have a rock for a brain

 

[elektra]

Why not?

How much can you afford to pay off the debt is the answer

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Yes, nasa does climate and green energy scamming, you really are proving you have a rock for a brain

Not what he did at NASA, gomer. You're just mentally ill and inexplicably believe that green energy is some kind of "scam".

 

[Crepitus]

Oh I don't know where did Musk get his.......

He bought it. The companies he purchased used government funding to do the research, and he gets even more from them now that he's destroyed all the agencies that were investigating his compnies.

 

[Blisterfinger]

The government provides billions of dollars in funding for scientific research....and Trump is ending all of it. Where do you think scientific innovation comes from?

You've obviously got nothing but your usual inept MAGA trolling.

Actually Trump is just cleaning up the ranks. There's a lot of Slough and dead weight working for the federal government. Everywhere. Biden increased the feds by 25%.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

I quoted and linked, to the scientist you based your thread on. I quoted the man directly, not some news article like you did.

Fine, the scientist is a liar as you state just stated. I cant be the one lying with direct quotes from the man you made claims about.

You really are that stupid

If only any of this is relevant to the thread. It is not.

You're trolling....because you can't debate the larger issue about Trump freezing scientific research. You're throwing a stupid irrelevant temper tantrum about this scientist instead.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Actually Trump is just cleaning up the ranks. There's a lot of Slough and dead weight working for the federal government. Everywhere. Biden increased the feds by 25%.

Yeah? Let me know when Trump does something about the Dept of Defense and all the waste on obsolete weapon systems and projects going on there.

Such bullshit....

 

[elektra]

Not what he did at NASA, gomer. You're just mentally ill and inexplicably believe that green energy is some kind of "scam".

Oh, you are right, green energy which is going to cost $300 trillion, that is not a scam.

The endless manufacturing of green wind and solar and cars, increasing the use of heavy industry while telling us it is clean. No scam here

Of course, dr pooperous has only offered a contradiction, no facts, nothing. Just a quick, "no it's not"

 

[elektra]

If only any of this is relevant to the thread. It is not.

You're trolling....because you can't debate the larger issue about Trump freezing scientific research. You're throwing a stupid irrelevant temper tantrum about this scientist instead.

I quoted the scientists LinkedIn page, you are calling that a tantrum and trolling. The scientist you based your entire opinion on. Now the person you based your thread on us irrelevant according to dr poop

Doc pooperous, are you deliberately being stupid

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

hahaha, China builds wind turbines cause the U S A buys them.

China is a nuclear nation, building the most modern reactors in the world. Our design was given to China. China has built over 50 reactors, 27 more under construction.

Denmark quit wind power and solar and are going nuclear.

England is suffering blackouts when the wind dies

Yes, socialists are fighting to line their pockets with green energy money. If you can call inefficiency energy.

Just more mindless drivel.

China is taking over the green energy sector and making a fortune and leaving the U.S. in its dust.....while your mentally ill Don Quixote ass thinks windmills are a scam.

 

[elektra]

Just more mindless drivel.

China is taking over the green energy sector and making a fortune and leaving the U.S. in its dust.....while your mentally ill Don Quixote ass thinks windmills are a scam.

Yes, China is making a fortune off the U S government financing green energy. The politicians will be paid off with book deals and speaking fees.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Yeah? Let me know when Trump does something about the Dept of Defense and all the waste on obsolete weapon systems and projects going on there.

Such bullshit....

Sure I'll let you know when the swamp is drained. Be glad to. Biden sure created a hell of a mess.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

I quoted the scientists LinkedIn page, you are calling that a tantrum and trolling.

Because it is. It has nothing to do with this topic. You believing green energy is a scam doesn't make it true. And not all Federally funded scientific research is about green energy. Not even close.

What some NASA scientist did for a brief period of time 3 - 4 years ago is simply not relevant to this discussion. Grow up.

The scientist you based your entire opinion on. Now the person you based your thread on us irrelevant according to dr poop

Another trolling lie....because you can't explain why Trump is stupid enough to freeze all Federally funded scientific research.