As the War that “Will be over in a week or two” enters it’s 3rd Month, How much longer will US troops be there?

[Dante]

Iran sees the media and democrats supporting them and opposing America. They will stall hoping democrats win the house and then top the war allowing them to continue to build nuclear bomb and support terror.

Nope. Iran sees an old fool stumbling through events

 

[Yarddog]

When Trump-45 took office the JCPOA was in effect.
It took time to understand that Iran was cheating and the JCPOA was a 10-year delay to Iran's nuclear bomb...
It takes time to plan and prepare for military operations like Midnight Hammer and Epic Fury.
Who said Trump is letting the mullahs stay or let Iran keep their enriched uranium? He isn't, not yet anyway.
He declared a military victory, which is true, Iran's military is defeated.

OK, no war is popular, not a surprise.

Trump put on his president's cap and decided that Iran should not have nuclear weapons, or ICBMs, but you are okay with it.

AND exactly that. Plus It was Trump's 1st term and a bit of a learning curve as it was his first time in Washington. Plus he was immediately attacked politically and had to fight to get cabinet appointments.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

Footage published on Iranian channels with the description that Iranian security forces installed these inflatable rocket launchers throughout the country and reported them to Mossad-affiliated ‘Iran International’, under the guise of an ordinary citizen. Many flight sorties and missiles were wasted on these mockups.

 

[Zavulon]

Without oil revenue Iran can't pay loans back, why would Russia or China burn money?

First, keeping prices that high (or making them higher) is quite profitable for Russia. And half of those unexpected incomes Russia can easily invest in Iranians to keep them that high. Second - collecting fees from Hormuz strait might be even more profitable than selling oil by themselves. Third - every US ship participating in "blockade" of Hormuz strait, doesn't participated in piracy anywhere else (including Taiwan). Fourth (and, may be, most important) - anti-Russian Shah's Iran will be too significant problem and Russia will not have other option but to liberate by military force Gilan province and, may be, the whole Southern Azerbaijan (aka Northern Iran) and direct war against Iran, (backed by the USA and NATO) will be much more expensive than little supply of weapons, military advisors and mercenaries.

Compared to Iran we are all sane.

It simply not true, especially if you are talking about American Evangelists and Satanists.

Putin is the closest to the line, because he keeps sending young Russians to die in Ukraine for no reason.

There are pretty good and simple reasons. You had came on our land and started to kill our people. We are just defending ourselves.

Still a very bad idea. Our hardened silos are very strong.

Yep. And they can launch quickly. Even when you have 800 nukes for your sneaky attack (and much larger amount for further blackmail and coerction into peace) you need then quite precise and quick, and US sats and radars blinded, and it still be gambling. Like Russian Roulette.
And it means, that neither Israel, nor Iran, nor North Korea, nor Brazil, nor France, nor England will dare attack the USA except for suicidal retaliation (when you have killed them anyway, and they just want to cause as much damage as they can before they are dead). Even Russia (who has "good first strike capability") will attack the USA only if America do something extremely provocative.

 

[Robert W]

No, it is not.

They want their own nuclear industry, it's quite understandable desire.

No. Minimal Deterrence (which is only possible with minimal arsenal), can provide only "stability", not "multi-stability"


So, it is Israel, who is destabilising Middle East, not Iran.

The latest bulletin from Moscow.

 

[Mac-7]

Thats very clever though not original

The Serbs used the same trick when Clinton and NATO were bombing them

And of course the Allies deployed an entire inflatable invasion force to fool the Germans prior to D-Day

 

[kyzr]

First, keeping prices that high (or making them higher) is quite profitable for Russia. And half of those unexpected incomes Russia can easily invest in Iranians to keep them that high. Second - collecting fees from Hormuz strait might be even more profitable than selling oil by themselves. Third - every US ship participating in "blockade" of Hormuz strait, doesn't participated in piracy anywhere else (including Taiwan). Fourth (and, may be, most important) - anti-Russian Shah's Iran will be too significant problem and Russia will not have other option but to liberate by military force Gilan province and, may be, the whole Southern Azerbaijan (aka Northern Iran) and direct war against Iran, (backed by the USA and NATO) will be much more expensive than little supply of weapons, military advisors and mercenaries.

It should be interesting to see whose blockade wins.

It simply not true, especially if you are talking about American Evangelists and Satanists.

Evangelicals are sane, just very religious. Satanists are very few. I've never seen any.

There are pretty good and simple reasons. You had came on our land and started to kill our people. We are just defending ourselves.

Ukraine is not "your land".
Russia invaded Ukraine after we all agreed in the Budapest Memorandum to guarantee Ukraine's security.
Ukraine is defending themselves.

Yep. And they can launch quickly. Even when you have 800 nukes for your sneaky attack (and much larger amount for further blackmail and coercion into peace) you need then quite precise and quick, and US sats and radars blinded, and it still be gambling. Like Russian Roulette.
And it means, that neither Israel, nor Iran, nor North Korea, nor Brazil, nor France, nor England will dare attack the USA except for suicidal retaliation (when you have killed them anyway, and they just want to cause as much damage as they can before they are dead). Even Russia (who has "good first strike capability") will attack the USA only if America do something extremely provocative.

Our "Peacekeepers" have kept the world more or less safe since WW2.
Now all we need to do is figure out how to end the wars in Ukraine and Iran.

 

[Matted Joybeard]

The 'war' is over.

 

[Zavulon]

It should be interesting to see whose blockade wins.

Whoever's blockade wins - America, as the most beneficial talassacraty, will lose. More piracy, more blockades, less free and safe sea routes - less wealth comes from sea trading, less wealth in America.

Evangelicals are sane, just very religious.

"Very religious" means "insane". And, same way we can say that ayatollahs are "very religious", too.

Satanists are very few. I've never seen any.

Of course you've seen a lot, at least at TV. They just didn't say that they are Satanists. Actually, many Christians and Muslims outside America, belive that American Zionism is a form of Satanism, too.

Ukraine is not "your land".

Of course it's our land.

Russia invaded Ukraine after we all agreed in the Budapest Memorandum to guarantee Ukraine's security.
Ukraine is defending themselves.

No. They were just hired by European Nazies to kill some Russians. That's all.

Our "Peacekeepers" have kept the world more or less safe since WW2.
Now all we need to do is figure out how to end the wars in Ukraine and Iran.

It's simple. You shouldn't have started those wars, and now all you can do to undone this - is roll back. You should leave Europe and Middle East and allow us to settle things right.

 

[Hafar1014]

Nope. Iran sees an old fool stumbling through events

Biden is no longer the president

 

[kyzr]

Whoever's blockade wins - America, as the most beneficial thalassocracy, will lose. More piracy, more blockades, less free and safe sea routes - less wealth comes from sea trading, less wealth in America.

WOW. Even my browser didn't know what "thalassocracy" was. Where did you pull that word from!!
"A thalassocracy is a state or society whose power derives from its naval or commercial supremacy on the seas. It is often referred to as a maritime empire."

Anyway, our economy is not just a "maritime empire". We are running on all cylinders.
Its the other countries exporting to the US that needs to keep the sea lanes open and functioning.

"Very religious" means "insane". And, same way we can say that ayatollahs are "very religious", too.

I disagree with that. Religious people are sane. Atheists are insane. The Ayatollah's religious beliefs are the problem. Apparently the "12'ers" are the problem. Its similar to the "2nd Coming of Jesus", but with very different outcomes.

'12th Imam,' Key Facet Of Islamic Prophecy, Fuels Middle East Turmoil

CBN.com NASHVILLE, Tennessee, (BP)

cbn.com

Of course you've seen a lot, at least at TV. They just didn't say that they are Satanists. Actually, many Christians and Muslims outside America, believe that American Zionism is a form of Satanism, too.

We call what you are doing "demonization" of certain people. Like when you call Ukrainians "Nazis". Its an old SS tactic.

Of course it's our land.

Ukrainians say it is not, and they are defending it ferociously.

No. They were just hired by European Nazis to kill some Russians. That's all.

That's insane. You can't hire people to do what Ukrainians are doing.
It takes very strong nationalism to keep fighting like they are against a more powerful foe.

It's simple. You shouldn't have started those wars, and now all you can do to undone this - is roll back. You should leave Europe and Middle East and allow us to settle things right.

Not happening. We'll just "grind through" like we always do.

 

[Zavulon]

WOW. Even my browser didn't know what "thalassocracy" was. Where did you pull that word from!!
"A thalassocracy is a state or society whose power derives from its naval or commercial supremacy on the seas. It is often referred to as a maritime empire."

Exactly.

Anyway, our economy is not just a "maritime empire". We are running on all cylinders.
Its the other countries exporting to the US that needs to keep the sea lanes open and functioning.

You are mostly "maritime empire". You have the largest navy on the planet and you highly depends on the global maritime trade. If you lose control on seas, you'll lose most of your wealth. And however strong is your navy, you can't be strong everywhere simultaneously. And longer your navy are busy with counterblockade of Hormuz strait - your economy suffers deeper and deeper, and you are lesser able to project your naval force anywhere else.

I disagree with that. Religious people are sane. Atheists are insane.

I disagree with that. But sanity is conventional term and it's overvalued.

The Ayatollah's religious beliefs are the problem. Apparently the "12'ers" are the problem. Its similar to the "2nd Coming of Jesus", but with very different outcomes.

From the Christian (Roman Catholic, Orthodox and significant part of Protestants) point of view, those who want to rebuild the Third Temple and invite anti-christ in our world (meaning mostly American "Christian Zionists") are much worse.

'12th Imam,' Key Facet Of Islamic Prophecy, Fuels Middle East Turmoil

CBN.com NASHVILLE, Tennessee, (BP)

cbn.com

We call what you are doing "demonization" of certain people. Like when you call Ukrainians "Nazis". Its an old SS tactic.

Hey, I'm an Atheist, political pragmatic and morally flexible person. I don't say that Satanists or Nazies are bad people (I don't think there are basically bad people at all). My grandmom was a "Moderate Nazi Type I" (and she thought that mass murders of Jews, Polish and communists was a good thing) and so are some of my cousins. It's like Jehovah Witnesses. They say that they are Christians, but significant part of Christians, including your Bysantian Catholics believe that they are not (because they don't consider Christ as God and God's son). It doesn't mean that Jehovah Witnesses are bad people. They are just not Christians.
And when European officials say that Europe is a "garden" (populated with Ubermenschen) and the rest of the worls is "jungle" (populated with Untermenchen) - we call them Nazies. It doesn't mean that they are bad. It just mean that peaceful coexistence with them is impossible, and we're going to de-nazificate them.

Ukrainians say it is not, and they are defending it ferociously.

Yep. And those who actually believe that they are not Russians (Nazi type I), those who believe that Ukrainian state should exist and serve to the Europe (Nazi type II) and those who believe that Russians are not Russian but Mongols and Untermenchen (Nazi type III) they should be killed or, at least, removed from the ruling positions.

That's insane. You can't hire people to do what Ukrainians are doing.

Of course we can. Anybody can. Ukrainians are cheap (that's why they are Ukrainians). And after elimination of Kievan regime survived Ukrainian Nazies will be hired by Russian government and US Democratic (or may be Republican) party to kill Europeans and political opposition in the USA.

It takes very strong nationalism to keep fighting like they are against a more powerful foe.

Simple Ukrainians just don't have a choice. And Kievan regime got a lot of money.

Not happening. We'll just "grind through" like we always do.

Or, you'll f#ck off as you did in Vietnam. We'll see.

 

[Zavulon]

Biden is no longer the president

As if Trump is somehow better.

 

[Hafar1014]

As if Trump is somehow better.

Much better, in every way. The economy the border, war on drugs, tax cuts, foreign policy, crime and exposing democrat corruption in Minn and CA.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Anyway, our economy is not just a "maritime empire".

.

And soon we will not be, by any description, a "maritime empire".

.

 

[Zavulon]

Brand new Russian MRAPs "Spartak" with signs of Iranian special services were spotted in Iran. May be, Russia delivered Iran just MRAPs, may be, MRAPs with "military advisors" and other useful staff. Come and find out.

Counter-terrorism Special Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kyzr]

You are mostly "maritime empire". You have the largest navy on the planet and you highly depends on the global maritime trade. If you lose control on seas, you'll lose most of your wealth. And however strong is your navy, you can't be strong everywhere simultaneously. And longer your navy are busy with counter-blockade of Hormuz strait - your economy suffers deeper and deeper, and you are lesser able to project your naval force anywhere else.

I wouldn't lose any sleep worrying about the US Navy losing control of the oceans. China is building a lot of ships, but nothing that can match-up with the US technologically or qualitatively. Our blockade of Iran is easy, not pushing our capabilities at all.

I disagree with that. But sanity is conventional term and it's overvalued.

true, everyone is subject to temporary insanity.

From the Christian (Roman Catholic, Orthodox and significant part of Protestants) point of view, those who want to rebuild the Third Temple and invite anti-christ in our world (meaning mostly American "Christian Zionists") are much worse.

Just went thru Copilot's explanation. Here is the summary. We Christians don't rebuild the 3rd Temple, that's for Jews.
I always thought that Jesus' 2nd coming was the Jew's Messiah, but nope, Jews don't want Jesus as their Messiah.
We Christians just wait for the 2nd coming, which is after the anti-god appears. Nothing about Satan.

• The man of lawlessness is a deceptive, anti‑God figure who appears before Jesus’ return and is destroyed by him.
• This idea comes from 2 Thessalonians 2 and is central to some Christian end‑times interpretations.
• Judaism does not accept Jesus as the Messiah, so the Second Coming and the man of lawlessness are Christian—not Jewish—concepts.

Hey, I'm an Atheist, political pragmatic and morally flexible person. I don't say that Satanists or Nazis are bad people (I don't think there are basically bad people at all). My grandmom was a "Moderate Nazi Type I" (and she thought that mass murders of Jews, Polish and communists was a good thing) and so are some of my cousins. It's like Jehovah Witnesses. They say that they are Christians, but significant part of Christians, including your Byzantine Catholics believe that they are not (because they don't consider Christ as God and God's son). It doesn't mean that Jehovah Witnesses are bad people. They are just not Christians.
And when European officials say that Europe is a "garden" (populated with Ubermenschen) and the rest of the world is "jungle" (populated with Untermenchen) - we call them Nazis. It doesn't mean that they are bad. It just mean that peaceful coexistence with them is impossible, and we're going to de-nazify them.

You sound more like an agnostic than an atheist.
But, calling people who disagree with you "Nazis" doesn't move the ball forward you just create more enemies.

Yep. And those who actually believe that they are not Russians (Nazi type I), those who believe that Ukrainian state should exist and serve to the Europe (Nazi type II) and those who believe that Russians are not Russian but Mongols and Untermenchen (Nazi type III) they should be killed or, at least, removed from the ruling positions.

See, you just call them Nazis and they grab their weapons.

Of course we can. Anybody can. Ukrainians are cheap (that's why they are Ukrainians). And after elimination of Kievan regime survived Ukrainian Nazies will be hired by Russian government and US Democratic (or may be Republican) party to kill Europeans and political opposition in the USA.

Putin hired North Koreans to fight in Ukraine, and Kim Jung Un got a beautiful white horse as payment.
Aside from the NKs, no one in the west would die as mercenaries. Not ever.

Simple Ukrainians just don't have a choice. And Kievan regime got a lot of money.

Ukrainians could just surrender and be part of Russia, but apparently they'd rather die fighting.

Or, you'll f#ck off as you did in Vietnam. We'll see.

The VN war and AFG war both lasted 20-years. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is going on 4-years.
We'll grind thru what we need to grind thru.

 

[kyzr]

Brand new Russian MRAPs "Spartak" with signs of Iranian special services were spotted in Iran. May be, Russia delivered Iran just MRAPs, may be, MRAPs with "military advisors" and other useful staff. Come and find out.

Iranian leaders looking for more protection from bombs.

 

[Zavulon]

I wouldn't lose any sleep worrying about the US Navy losing control of the oceans. China is building a lot of ships, but nothing that can match-up with the US technologically or qualitatively. Our blockade of Iran is easy, not pushing our capabilities at all.

Ok. We'll see, how it will work out.

true, everyone is subject to temporary insanity.

And ayatollahs are not very different.

Just went thru Copilot's explanation. Here is the summary. We Christians don't rebuild the 3rd Temple, that's for Jews.

It's for Jews and "Christian Zionists", who want to rebuild Israel and the Third Temple exactly because it will cause coming of fake from Christian point of view (and true from Jewish point of view) Messiah, and then - 2nd coming of Christ and destruction of ournworld.
Christians (significant part of them) believe that they should prevent it.

I always thought that Jesus' 2nd coming was the Jew's Messiah, but nope, Jews don't want Jesus as their Messiah.
We Christians just wait for the 2nd coming, which is after the anti-god appears. Nothing about Satan.

• The man of lawlessness is a deceptive, anti‑God figure who appears before Jesus’ return and is destroyed by him.

And Christians belive that he will be considered as true Messiah by Jews and Anti-christians.

• This idea comes from 2 Thessalonians 2 and is central to some Christian end‑times interpretations.

Yep.

• Judaism does not accept Jesus as the Messiah, so the Second Coming and the man of lawlessness are Christian—not Jewish—concepts.

Yep. But Christians believe that Jews will see fake Messiah, the man of lawlessness, as true Messiah and they will build Third Temple for him.

You sound more like an agnostic than an atheist.

Agnostics say that they don't know if God exists. We, atheists, believe that God doesn't exist at all.

But, calling people who disagree with you "Nazis" doesn't move the ball forward you just create more enemies.

Of course no. When we call our enemies Nazies we start to kill them, and it decrease their number. And we don't call people Nazies for no reason. We call them Nazies when they already started kill us.

See, you just call them Nazis and they grab their weapons.

No. They grab their weapons and only then we call them Nazies and kill them.

Putin hired North Koreans to fight in Ukraine, and Kim Jung Un got a beautiful white horse as payment.
Aside from the NKs, no one in the west would die as mercenaries. Not ever.

It's simply not true. Back in WWII Americans were on our side.

Ukrainians could just surrender and be part of Russia, but apparently they'd rather die fighting.

Yes. Significant part of them rather die fighting and rather kill them than allow them kill us. Survivors will be part of Russia.

The VN war and AFG war both lasted 20-years. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is going on 4-years.

In few more years most of adult male Ukrainians (and may be, significant part of European) will die out.

We'll grind thru what we need to grind thru.

As you did in Vietnam and Afghanistan?

 

[Failzero]

Ok. We'll see, how it will work out.


And ayatollahs are not very different.


It's for Jews and "Christian Zionists", who want to rebuild Israel and the Third Temple exactly because it will cause coming of fake from Christian point of view (and true from Jewish point of view) Messiah, and then - 2nd coming of Christ and destruction of ournworld.
Christians (significant part of them) believe that they should prevent it.


And Christians belive that he will be considered as true Messiah by Jews and Anti-christians.


Yep.

Yep. But Christians believe that Jews will see fake Messiah, the man of lawlessness, as true Messiah and they will build Third Temple for him.


Agnostics say that they don't know if God exists. We, atheists, believe that God doesn't exist at all.


Of course no. When we call our enemies Nazies we start to kill them, and it decrease their number. And we don't call people Nazies for no reason. We call them Nazies when they already started kill us.


No. They grab their weapons and only then we call them Nazies and kill them.


It's simply not true. Back in WWII Americans were on our side.


Yes. Significant part of them rather die fighting and rather kill them than allow them kill us. Survivors will be part of Russia.


In few more years most of adult male Ukrainians (and may be, significant part of European) will die out.

As you did in Vietnam and Afghanistan?

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