ARMY OF THUGS: ICE breaks into private home without a warrant assaults home owner (4th Amendment is trash)

[Marener]

We all know that this administration believes they can enter private property without a judicial warrant.

 

[22lcidw]

I didnt agree with that sentiment before. Now I do. They are an ARMY OF THUGS unconstrained by the constitution and unrestrained by their leaders.

From your stipulations on the constitution, I figure Don Lemon will get at least five years in prison.

 

[Rawley]

We all know that this administration believes they can enter private property without a judicial warrant.

Some are certainly of that opinion. I think they are probably right. Do you have any cases that say executing an administrative warrant pursuant to final order of removal is a violation of the 4th Amendment?

 

[Marener]

Some are certainly of that opinion. I think they are probably right. Do you have any cases that say executing an administrative warrant pursuant to final order of removal is a violation of the 4th Amendment?

I don’t think the founders intended for the executive branch to give themselves permission to forcibly enter private property. It goes against the concept of checks and balances.

 

[airplanemechanic]

That video doesn't show me anything I can use to make any kind of conclusion. I have NO IDEA what preceded when the video started. Did the ICE agents sleep there last night? If not then too much is missing. They're already IN the home by the time the video starts.

And please list all the lawsuits against ICE agents.

"Can ICE agents enter a private residence?"

"Yes, ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) can enter private property, but typically only with a judicial warrant signed by a judge for non-public areas; they generally cannot enter homes or private workplaces with just an administrative warrant, which is signed by an ICE official, though recent policy shifts suggest they may attempt entry with administrative warrants for those with final removal orders, a practice facing legal challenges. Property owners can refuse entry to private spaces without a judicial warrant, but agents can enter public areas like lobbies without permission."

I think they need to rule whether an administrative warrant is good enough to go get someone. Not conduct a search, just go get someone. You can't run and hide in someone's home if you have a final order of deportation against you.

Thanks.

 

[Rawley]

I don’t think the founders intended for the executive branch to give themselves permission to forcibly enter private property. It goes against the concept of checks and balances.

So you don't have any cases. Let us know when you do.

 

[Marener]

So you don't have any cases. Let us know when you do.

It’s unprecedented, so there aren’t any cases.

 

[Rawley]

It’s unprecedented, so there aren’t any cases.

Administrative search warrants have been used for decades. Do some homework.

 

[citygator]

Some are certainly of that opinion. I think they are probably right. Do you have any cases that say executing an administrative warrant pursuant to final order of removal is a violation of the 4th Amendment?

Supreme Court precedent (this is settled law)​

• Payton v. New York (1980): Police cannot enter a home to make an arrest without a judicial warrant
• Camara v. Municipal Court (1967): Administrative warrants do not override Fourth Amendment protections
• INS v. Delgado (1984): Immigration enforcement is still bound by the Constitution

 

[airplanemechanic]

We are going to go broke from all the lawsuits that will be paid eventually by this piece of shit organization. Defund ICE.

The 4th amendment is trash. It isnt worth the 250 year old paper it is written on.

"They're inside my house with no warrant—I'm a U.S. citizen!" she tells 911 operator. "He's not an immigrant!"The adults in the family—who were trying to protect the young children also present in the home—did manage to chase the 2 ICE agents away before they were able detain anyone.The incident occurred in San Antonio, Texas.

Just FYI, the 4th amendment doesn't apply to deportation orders. It's not illegal to go get someone with a final deportation order against them. If you don't like these laws, talk to your legislators.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Supreme Court precedent (this is settled law)​

• Payton v. New York (1980): Police cannot enter a home to make an arrest without a judicial warrant
• Camara v. Municipal Court (1967): Administrative warrants do not override Fourth Amendment protections
• INS v. Delgado (1984): Immigration enforcement is still bound by the Constitution

They're not being arrested for a crime, they're being removed because of a FINAL DEPORTATION ORDER ISSUED BY A JUDGE. That would be the JUDICIAL WARRANT you wanted. DONE. Already got it.

ICE says its officers can forcibly enter homes during immigration operations without judicial warrants: 2025 memo

The policy was revealed in a May 12 memo whistleblowers shared with a U.S. senator.

www.nbcnews.com

Um, did you make up these conclusions? INS vs Delgado stated that : The Supreme Court held that three factory surveys conducted by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) did not constitute a seizure of the entire work force under the Fourth Amendment. The Supreme Court also held that the individual questioning regarding citizenship of the respondents, U.S. citizens and legal residents, did not constitute a seizure under the Fourth Amendment.

I'm not getting YOUR interpretation of these cases:

Immigration & Naturalization Service v. Delgado

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[citygator]

Administrative search warrants have been used for decades. Do some homework.

See above. They are illegal for search and seizure. Do you want an administrative warrant issued to check your computer for hate speech because you vote republican? That's all an administrative warrant needs. That is why you have to convince a court.

 

[citygator]

They're not being arrested for a crime, they're being removed.

You cant force your way into a private residence to search for illegal immigrants or drugs or for modified guns or for any reason. You need a warrant - a judicial warrant.

 

[BackAgain]

I shared two. Live. What the **** else do you need?

Actual evidence.

Not the horseshit propaganda you always manage to serve up.

Two points:

(1). YOU do not know that they didn’t have a warrant (even assuming one was needed).

(2). YOU do not know and you cannot demonstrate that they broke in.

 

[Hollie]

We all know that this administration believes they can enter private property without a judicial warrant.

We all know leftists tend to be blowhards and liars.

 

[citygator]

Actual evidence.

Not the horseshit propaganda you always manage to serve up.

Two points:

(1). YOU do not know that they didn’t have a warrant (even assuming one was needed).

(2). YOU do not know and you cannot demonstrate that they broke in.

The home owner has ON VIDEO that they were unwelcome in her home and demanded they leave unless they had a warranat. You heard that. You saw that. The cops never presented a warrant. Feel free to prove they have a secret warrant, which wouldnt matter because you HAVE TO SHOW a warrant. They did not.

 

[Rawley]

Supreme Court precedent (this is settled law)​

• Payton v. New York (1980): Police cannot enter a home to make an arrest without a judicial warrant
• Camara v. Municipal Court (1967): Administrative warrants do not override Fourth Amendment protections
• INS v. Delgado (1984): Immigration enforcement is still bound by the Constitution

OK SO you don't have any cases which hold that executing an administrative warrant pursuant to final order of removal is a violation of the 4th Amendment.

Didn't think so.

 

[Marener]

We all know leftists tend to be blowhards and liars.

You are poorly informed.

 

[citygator]

OK SO you don't have any cases which hold that executing an administrative warrant pursuant to final order of removal is a violation of the 4th Amendment.

Didn't think so.

There is not a claim that you cant remove people with an administrative warrant. THE CLAIM IS YOU CANT SEARCH A HOUSE FOR ANY REASON WITHOUT A JUDICIAL WARRANT. NONE. ZERO. NADA.

Case law is clear on that. There is no wavering on that. None. You are arguing something else. Something that isnt happening.

 

[BackAgain]

The home owner has ON VIDEO that they were unwelcome in her home and demanded they leave unless they had a warranat.

I know. That’s her claim, on video. Even you should grasp that her say so isn’t the same as actual evidence.

You heard that. You saw that.

Yes. And? So what?

The cops never presented a warrant.

The officials were under no obligation to show any warrant assuming they had one.

Feel free to prove they have a secret warrant, which wouldnt matter because you HAVE TO SHOW a warrant. They did not.

Making shit up again, eh?

Go ahead and try to support your baseless claim that they would have to show the warrant if they even had one.