Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Business Owners To Refuse Service To Gays

[OriginalShroom]

If a business can refuse to service me because I am armed because it is a "Private business", why shouldn't they be able to refuse to service someone because they are gay?

It's the same "Private Business" with the right to refuse to service.

You can leave your gun in the car. They can also require you to wear a shirt and shoes. What they can't require is that you leave your gay in the car.

Using your "logic" then they can post signs saying that two people of same gender are not allowed to hold hands, kiss, or show other signs of affection or they will be refused service.

Do you think that would fly?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If a business can refuse to service me because I am armed because it is a "Private business", why shouldn't they be able to refuse to service someone because they are gay?

It's the same "Private Business" with the right to refuse to service.

You can leave your gun in the car. They can also require you to wear a shirt and shoes. What they can't require is that you leave your gay in the car.

Using your "logic" then they can post signs saying that two people of same gender are not allowed to hold hands, kiss, or show other signs of affection or they will be refused service.

Do you think that would fly?

You can try but I wouldn't. You just kicked out every set of little girls who enter the place, and that won't fly if you don't.

 

[protectionist]

I can't wait until it goes to court

Why would it go to court?

it violates the 1964 civil rights act?

Post a copy of the act, and SHOW where it bans discrimination against homosexuals.

You can't because it doesn't do that. It prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/about/history/CivilRightsAct.cfm

 

[TemplarKormac]

I said all along that it's regional. In some cases, Seattle passed the law maybe 10 years ago when only Canada had gay marriage. Oregon, like many states, are largely controlled by the big cities.

It will be a much bigger challenge to amend the equal protection clause of the Constitution though since then we have to start examining human sexuality. Where do we start and where do we stop? How about Bisexuals? Transgendered? Transexual?

Since the Equal Protection clause already includes all citizens, I don't see the need to amend it to include others.

Bisexuals, Transgendered, Tran-sexual - Yes, the government should treat them equally under the law barring a compelling government interest in not doing so.


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You're right, the GOVERNMENT should treat everyone equally. They should NOT however be allowed to FORCE me to do so. That's the central point you and others are missing here.

The government is NOT empowered to force us not to discriminate, they simply are not. What's next, the government starts mandating who you must date if you sign up for a dating web site? Why couldn't they? I mean , you've already let them in the door to control discrimination.

What is the fundamental difference between being in business and looking for a date?

I don't understand why so many Americans are so comfortable giving more and more authority to a government which has clearly shown that they don't deserve the authority they DO have.

The government can barely do what it is in fact constitutionally required to do, much less "make things right" elsewhere.

That's my simple question, which too my knowledge no one has answered is where in the COTUS is the federal government empowered to pass laws requiring us to not discriminate? Because if it isn't there, it doesn't exist.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

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[PaintMyHouse]

Why would it go to court?

it violates the 1964 civil rights act?

Post a copy of the act, and SHOW where it bans discrimination against homosexuals.

You can't because it doesn't do that. It prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

It doesn't and this is not based on that.

 

[Gadawg73]

Quacked Wingnut neg reps me and calls me a racist.
Better than 2 QB sacks in a series!

 

[Gadawg73]

You have to ask why would someone want to spend their money in place they are not wanted?
Why would you order a meal from a place that did not want to serve you?

So you could cause them trouble.

Why did two lesbians want me to paint their portrait after I refused? Did they think if they forced me I'd do a better job? It's academic because they lost and I hope it cost them a bundle.

But 2 chicks together is ******* HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does nothing for me and is none of my business what 2 gay or lesbian adults do.
If folks dig it fine but I am straight married for 39 years and leave what other folks do to them.
But I fight for the rights of everyone as it could be YOU OR I that they are NEXT trying to take rights away from.
All in the name of RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes the Founders were Liberals little friend. Learn American history.

Yes, they were - but you're not. You are a leftist.

The Conservatives wanted to keep the King (to Conserve), we called them Tories then, and they fled to Canada in large numbers.

It amazes me the abject ignorance of you leftist drones. Prior to 1970, no one would have even attempted to label the Torries as "conservative."

What the Torries sought was feudal structure, that all things rightfully belong to the state (crown) to be dispensed according to the wise rule of ministers and bureaucrats.

Sound like any ******* commies we know?

Hmmmmm?

Nearly all Revolutions are Leftist. When the Reactionaries throw one, like in Iran, it's usually religious in nature, like in Iran.

Doubling down on stupid, huh?

Thomas Paine LEFTIST?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Gadawg73]

Am sure Jesus is real proud of folks denying service to others based on their sexuality.
No Christian does that if they truly believe in LOVE THY NEIGHBOR and DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD THEM DO UNTO YOU. Golden Rule and Luke 6:31 which I memorized at age 5: "And as you wish that others would do to you, do SO TO THEM".
Bunch of sad sack Christians here.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Yes the Founders were Liberals little friend. Learn American history.

Yes, they were - but you're not. You are a leftist.

The Conservatives wanted to keep the King (to Conserve), we called them Tories then, and they fled to Canada in large numbers.

It amazes me the abject ignorance of you leftist drones. Prior to 1970, no one would have even attempted to label the Torries as "conservative."

What the Torries sought was feudal structure, that all things rightfully belong to the state (crown) to be dispensed according to the wise rule of ministers and bureaucrats.

Sound like any ******* commies we know?

Hmmmmm?

Nearly all Revolutions are Leftist. When the Reactionaries throw one, like in Iran, it's usually religious in nature, like in Iran.

Doubling down on stupid, huh?

Thomas Paine LEFTIST?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Boy are you a dumb bunny - Thomas Paine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Biographer Eric Foner identifies a utopian thread in Paine's thought, writing that "Through this new language he communicated a new vision—a utopian image of an egalitarian, republican society."[60] Paine's utopianism combined civic republicanism, belief in the inevitably of scientific and social progress and commitment to free markets and liberty generally. The multiple sources of Paine's political theory all pointed to a society based on the common good and individualism. Paine expressed a redemptive futurism or political messianism.[61] Paine, writing that his generation "would appear to the future as the Adam of a new world", exemplified British utopianism.[62]

Thomas Paine's natural justice beliefs may have been influenced by his Quaker father.[63]

Later, his encounters with the Indigenous peoples of the Americas made a deep impression. The ability of the Iroquois to live in harmony with nature while achieving a democratic decision making process, helped him refine his thinking on how to organize society.[64]"

 

[Uncensored2008]

So you could cause them trouble.

Why did two lesbians want me to paint their portrait after I refused? Did they think if they forced me I'd do a better job? It's academic because they lost and I hope it cost them a bundle.

But 2 chicks together is ******* HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they're young and cute.

Which they virtually never are - outside of internet porn.

 

[dblack]

I can see the day when a same sex couple contacts the town bakery and finds out they no longer offer wedding cakes at all. Neither does the bakery in the next Arizona town over, or the one after that. They can go all the way to Phoenix to find an accommodating bakery and they won't deliver 200 miles away.

Sounds like a market opening to me. Being the only bakery willing to bake wedding cakes for all comers will mean big profits. Same thing for the photographers who are willing to do the weddings.

BTW I have yet to meet a wedding photographer so wealthy that he would turn down a lucrative wedding shoot just because the couple was gay. And if there was one that did refuse there would be a queue around the block of others willing to take the job.

Money talks...

Exactly why these laws are unnecessary in the first place.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"Private" business is somehow exempt from public accommodation?

Really??

You just hit the nail on the head, which is why some business are only open by appointment.

A private interaction is one thing.

That is not so with the business in the law.

What?

These are legal businesses, and they even advertise. Want to try and explain this public/private thing in a way that makes sense to a person outside the delusional mess you live in?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Boy are you a dumb bunny - Thomas Paine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Biographer Eric Foner identifies a utopian thread in Paine's thought, writing that "Through this new language he communicated a new vision—a utopian image of an egalitarian, republican society."[60] Paine's utopianism combined civic republicanism, belief in the inevitably of scientific and social progress and commitment to free markets and liberty generally. The multiple sources of Paine's political theory all pointed to a society based on the common good and individualism. Paine expressed a redemptive futurism or political messianism.[61] Paine, writing that his generation "would appear to the future as the Adam of a new world", exemplified British utopianism.[62]

Thomas Paine's natural justice beliefs may have been influenced by his Quaker father.[63]

Later, his encounters with the Indigenous peoples of the Americas made a deep impression. The ability of the Iroquois to live in harmony with nature while achieving a democratic decision making process, helped him refine his thinking on how to organize society.[64]"

You know stupid ****, may I call you stupid ****? Anyway, I'd love to have you post the top ten quotes from Paine advocating the redistribution of wealth, concentration of property and means of production in the central government, and establishment of a central authoritarian structure to force a notion of "fairness" on others?

Shall I hold my breath whilst you gather these quotes?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I know that's what the wackos are saying...

but really... it's using G-d as a justification for violating the equal rights of others.

shameful

You do not have an equal right to my services.

End of discussion.

If you offer those services to the public, yes, I do.

End of discussion.

No you do not.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I can see the day when a same sex couple contacts the town bakery and finds out they no longer offer wedding cakes at all. Neither does the bakery in the next Arizona town over, or the one after that. They can go all the way to Phoenix to find an accommodating bakery and they won't deliver 200 miles away.

Sounds like a market opening to me. Being the only bakery willing to bake wedding cakes for all comers will mean big profits. Same thing for the photographers who are willing to do the weddings.

BTW I have yet to meet a wedding photographer so wealthy that he would turn down a lucrative wedding shoot just because the couple was gay. And if there was one that did refuse there would be a queue around the block of others willing to take the job.

Money talks...

Exactly why these laws are unnecessary in the first place.

Liberty is not a concept the left can grasp.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Boy are you a dumb bunny - Thomas Paine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Biographer Eric Foner identifies a utopian thread in Paine's thought, writing that "Through this new language he communicated a new vision—a utopian image of an egalitarian, republican society."[60] Paine's utopianism combined civic republicanism, belief in the inevitably of scientific and social progress and commitment to free markets and liberty generally. The multiple sources of Paine's political theory all pointed to a society based on the common good and individualism. Paine expressed a redemptive futurism or political messianism.[61] Paine, writing that his generation "would appear to the future as the Adam of a new world", exemplified British utopianism.[62]

Thomas Paine's natural justice beliefs may have been influenced by his Quaker father.[63]

Later, his encounters with the Indigenous peoples of the Americas made a deep impression. The ability of the Iroquois to live in harmony with nature while achieving a democratic decision making process, helped him refine his thinking on how to organize society.[64]"

You know stupid ****, may I call you stupid ****? Anyway, I'd love to have you post the top ten quotes from Paine advocating the redistribution of wealth, concentration of property and means of production in the central government, and establishment of a central authoritarian structure to force a notion of "fairness" on others?

Shall I hold my breath whilst you gather these quotes?

That's not Leftist you dummy, that's Communist. Use your words correctly. A Liberal is also Leftist, and that's what he was, Liberal, very as a matter of fact.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Sounds like a market opening to me. Being the only bakery willing to bake wedding cakes for all comers will mean big profits. Same thing for the photographers who are willing to do the weddings.

BTW I have yet to meet a wedding photographer so wealthy that he would turn down a lucrative wedding shoot just because the couple was gay. And if there was one that did refuse there would be a queue around the block of others willing to take the job.

Money talks...

Exactly why these laws are unnecessary in the first place.

Liberty is not a concept the left can grasp.

Sure thing, only we invented it you moron.

 

[The T]

Exactly why these laws are unnecessary in the first place.

Liberty is not a concept the left can grasp.

Sure thing, only we invented it you moron.

WHO is we?

 

[Kondor3]

Am sure Jesus is real proud of folks denying service to others based on their sexuality...

Ya know, there are times I wonder... all that Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin kind of thing... spin-doctored - with sincerity and conviction on the part of many folks - to read: Love the Sinner as a fellow Child of God, but from a distance, so as not to contaminate yourself nor those around you, and, consequently, do nothing to aid and abet him, in pursuit of his Sin or the Lifestyle to which that Sin leads him.

Truth be told, that's not a very big leap, is it?

And it's not very difficult for the pro-Gay side of the aisle, in turn, to spin-doctor that manifestation of sincere beliefs, to appear hateful or bigoted in nature, when, in fact, and in large part, it's really not.

It all depends upon one's perspective, apparently.

"...No Christian does that if they truly believe in LOVE THY NEIGHBOR and DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD THEM DO UNTO YOU. Golden Rule and Luke 6:31 which I memorized at age 5: 'And as you wish that others would do to you, do SO TO THEM'..."

If such aloofness or shunning or hold-at-arms'-length behaviors were directed at folks whose sexual practices were not condemned as Sinful and Unnatural by 3000 years of sacred texts and supplemental writings and scholarly and popular interpretations and teachings, you might have a stronger case for pitching it that way.

"...Bunch of sad sack Christians here."

No doubt, there are, indeed, some of those, and some right here, for all I know, but adopting and maintaining such a position is NOT prima facie evidence of Sad Sack status; rather, a great many head down that road because of genuine and sincerely-held religious beliefs - and to pretend otherwise is to deny the reality of the situation.