Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Business Owners To Refuse Service To Gays

[AmericanFirst]

Exactly why these laws are unnecessary in the first place.

Liberty is not a concept the left can grasp.

Sure thing, only we invented it you moron.

Liberal dimwits today are controlled by the communist party, not the same as the liberal patriots of days gone by.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Liberty is not a concept the left can grasp.

Sure thing, only we invented it you moron.

WHO is we?

Surely not the liberals commies of today.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yep, he's wrong - again.

He links to the Arizona AG's office short list for the web. Let's take a look at the actual definition in the Arizona Revised Statutes:

"2. "Places of public accommodation" means all public places of entertainment, amusement or recreation, all public places where food or beverages are sold for consumption on the premises, all public places which are conducted for the lodging of transients or for the benefit, use or accommodation of those seeking health or recreation and all establishments which cater or offer their services, facilities or goods to or solicit patronage from the members of the general public. Any dwelling as defined in section 41-1491, or any private club, or any place which is in its nature distinctly private is not a place of public accommodation. "

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I guess he's trying to say that a Florist is a business that doesn't offer any goods, facilities or services to members of the general public.



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Even if you are right, the bill does not permit a florist to discriminate on the basis of race, period.

"Even if" I'm right about what a Public Accommodation is? Dude, I posted the freaking law which shows you were wrong.



Sure it does, as long as you project that it is a sincerely held religious belief.

No where in SB1062 does it limit the application of "sincerely held religious beliefs" to just those applicable to homosexuals. If you think this law limits it to "the gheys", point out where in the law that occurs.

Don't want to do an interracial marriage - just claim sincerely held religious belief against it.

Don't want to do an interfaith marriage - just claim a sincerely held religious belief against it.


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You keep arguing that the law will allow people to discriminate based on race, and claim it is religion. You are flat out wrong, so it really doesn't matter if you argue that a florist can do it under the bill.

Does it?

By the way, unless you can point to a case where a court held that a florists are public accommodations in Arizona the Attorney General website trumps your opinion.

 

[Antares]

Freedom to a Progressive is whatever he/she has decided is ok for you to do.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You have to ask why would someone want to spend their money in place they are not wanted?
Why would you order a meal from a place that did not want to serve you?

Really. Why would you go to the only movie theatre in town if the owner was a racist?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Liberty is not a concept the left can grasp.

Sure thing, only we invented it you moron.

WHO is we?

Liberals. You know, Liberal, Liberty, Liberace.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's not Leftist you dummy, that's Communist. Use your words correctly.

Says the mindless fuckwad who claimed Paine was a leftist..

I know that you spend a lot of time on DailyKOS, and ThinkProgress. But what you've never done is read "The Age of Reason." (And you sure the **** don't own a business.)

A Liberal is also Leftist, and that's what he was, Liberal, very as a matter of fact.

Goddamn but you're stupid.

Liberal: of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

left-wing politics are political positions or activities that accept or support social equality, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society who are perceived as disadvantaged relative to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.[3]

 

[Derideo_Te]

Sounds like a market opening to me. Being the only bakery willing to bake wedding cakes for all comers will mean big profits. Same thing for the photographers who are willing to do the weddings.

BTW I have yet to meet a wedding photographer so wealthy that he would turn down a lucrative wedding shoot just because the couple was gay. And if there was one that did refuse there would be a queue around the block of others willing to take the job.

Money talks...

Exactly why these laws are unnecessary in the first place.

Liberty is not a concept the left can grasp.

Ironic!

 

[Gadawg73]

AZ bill is almost DOA as Republicans are getting blasted from every business group in the state to kill it.
Why does every business group oppose the bill?
CEOs from major corporations oppose it?
Why?
Republican lawmakers all over AZ now oppose it and nationally.
Why?
3 Republican lawmakers that voted for it now say they are now opposed and seek a veto. (refer to my correct analysis of Kansas statute where emergency responders could invoke the law. Same in AZ)
Apple announced recently it would open a plant that will employ 1000 high tech IT workers there and they are strongly opposed to it as most all business has lined up against it.
Why?
American Airlines which has a major hub in Phoenix opposes the bill.
Why?
Because all business in AZ is liberal?
Brewer will veto the bill.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You have to ask why would someone want to spend their money in place they are not wanted?
Why would you order a meal from a place that did not want to serve you?

Really. Why would you go to the only movie theatre in town if the owner was a racist?

Maybe I wish to see the film without driving all over hell and gone?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You have to ask why would someone want to spend their money in place they are not wanted?
Why would you order a meal from a place that did not want to serve you?

It is the right and even a business decision of an owner of a business to serve clientele they wish to cater to or not. If their decision runs them out of business...then so be it. NO government has the right to make that decision for any business owner.

What country do you live in?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That's not Leftist you dummy, that's Communist. Use your words correctly.

Says the mindless fuckwad who claimed Paine was a leftist..

I know that you spend a lot of time on DailyKOS, and ThinkProgress. But what you've never done is read "The Age of Reason." (And you sure the **** don't own a business.)

A Liberal is also Leftist, and that's what he was, Liberal, very as a matter of fact.

Goddamn but you're stupid.

Liberal: of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

left-wing politics are political positions or activities that accept or support social equality, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society who are perceived as disadvantaged relative to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.[3]

Paine was a Leftist you idiot, although Liberal is still a more accurate term, but what you described was Communist. Some of that he would have been okay with as well. Try reading real American history for once you dope.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You have to ask why would someone want to spend their money in place they are not wanted?
Why would you order a meal from a place that did not want to serve you?

Really. Why would you go to the only movie theatre in town if the owner was a racist?

Maybe I wish to see the film without driving all over hell and gone?

I was doing the sarcasm.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You have to ask why would someone want to spend their money in place they are not wanted?
Why would you order a meal from a place that did not want to serve you?

It is the right and even a business decision of an owner of a business to serve clientele they wish to cater to or not. If their decision runs them out of business...then so be it. NO government has the right to make that decision for any business owner.

What country do you live in?

Sounds like AynRandLand. You know, the one where Peter Pan vacations.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Really. Why would you go to the only movie theatre in town if the owner was a racist?

Maybe I wish to see the film without driving all over hell and gone?

I was doing the sarcasm.

I see. Hard to spot on the web when you post as fast as I do. Good to know.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You fail to accept the concept that money is money.

I'd invest in PaintMyHouse's business long before I'd consider yours.

You seem to think morality pays the rent.

I am sure he would be glad to take your money because he thinks you are an idiot.

On the other hand, all my customers are real people who I chose to work with.

Really? In the city of San Francisco? One of the gayest cities on earth?

How is it you don't implode on a daily basis?

My business doesn't take me to weddings, and I am not a bigot. I am simply defending the right of anyone, even gays, to not be forced to attend a wedding they don't want to attend.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You have to ask why would someone want to spend their money in place they are not wanted?
Why would you order a meal from a place that did not want to serve you?

It is the right and even a business decision of an owner of a business to serve clientele they wish to cater to or not. If their decision runs them out of business...then so be it. NO government has the right to make that decision for any business owner.

What country do you live in?

He is a citizen of LaLaLiberteriania, of course!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I think another state passed something similar to this last week so this must be a trend that is catching on. I agree with this bill that if you are a business owner and believe in and live by your faith that you should be able to refuse service to whoever you want.


Arizona Senate: Business owners can cite religion to refuse service to gays
Arizona Senate: Business owners can cite religion to refuse service to gays

While there are no laws which prohibit individual bigotry, and the law in Arizona is likely legal, the fact that remains that it violates the Spirit of America. Or, as in the words of Jefferson,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"

The gay and lesbian community has been denied their unalienable right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and they choose not to abolish our government - as some in the far right hope to do - but to alter it with non violent protests and petitions to enjoy the same rights the rest of us enjoy by law, and by the real ethos of what it means to be an American. Those people who voted on a law in Arizona to deny equal access to happiness and freedom to this select group of citizens are not real Americans nor are they patriots.

I have 200 years of Supreme Court decisions that prove you wrong. what do you have other than a deliberate attempt to twist the words of someone who has been dead for so long he never even considered the possibility of being forced to attend a wedding he objected to?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If you offer those services to the public, yes, I do.

End of discussion.

Not if your demand violates a core edict of the christian faith. You cannot command a christian to violate the mandates and warnings of Jude 1 and Romans 1 in the Bible. You're going to run into a bump on this one Jake. A big bump called "The 1st Amendment"...

Your understanding of the Christian faith is weak.

You are not being forced to do anything. The law only pertains to people who have decided to take part in a certain type of interaction.

It isn't our understanding of religion that suffers.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sure thing, only we invented it you moron.

George Soros invented liberty, did he?

ROFL

You're a joke.