Argument Can Israel Survive Without the Palestinian Authority?

[Daniyel]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is possible that I tried to shift the discussion on the topic.

P F Tinmore, et al,

No I don't think so.

You missed the point.

(COMMENT)

It is a case "misdirection;" a technique used when performing trying to shift the impact and Feint an alternative political strategy.

v/r
R

Indeed, you did try to shift focus.

(COMMENT)

There is absolutely no Palestinian Foreign Policy on which Israeli survival is dependent? In the absence of such a policy --- we should properly reframe the argument.

Most Respectfully,
R

The OP is not about Palestinian foreign policy.

Therefore the question is how far could Israel go with either absolute peace or no Palestinians at all.
In that case we probably assume differently since you conclude Israel would've been in a point of extinction ("survive ") - which only strengthen the theory that we shouldn't strive for absolute peace with the Palestinians because no Palestinians at all is not an option since they exist as fact..is that where you going? Don't bother to elaborate, just feel stupid for now, dismissed.

 

[Phoenall]

Of course, why keep giving money to the Pals when Israel is going to destroy whatever they build. I also question the PA. There needs to be some changes. Its time for the Pals to get someone in there to fight for them. I am very into peace, but this is crazy to let people keep taking your land, home, and killing you off slowly. Those Israelites need to be put in their place, perhaps the Med. Sea. This is crazy how our gov. (the US) is friends with these killing maniacs.

I read this.

Norway may setup committee to oversee rebuilding Gaza

Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:04

Norway is looking into the possibility of forming a special committee to oversee the rebuilding of the Gaza Strip similar to the committee established by Qatar, a special source told Al-Resalah news site.

The source said that a proposal, submitted to the Norwegian prime minister and Ministry of Foreign Affairs last month, provides that Norway establishes a special committee to supervise the channelling of funds to Gaza and reconstruction projects there.

According to the source, a Norwegian delegation arrived in Gaza last week in order to study the idea and its applicability.

The source said the Norwegian government and other European ambassadors are wary of the Palestinian Authority's role in the process and fear that it will hinder rebuilding the enclave or will not send the money to the Gaza Strip.

The source added: "European countries tend to believe that the Palestinian Authority wants to impede reconstruction plans for political benefits, however reports coming from the Gaza Strip warn that the situation could explode at any moment there."

Last month, the UK's Oxfam warned that at the current rate, it would take 100 years to rebuild the Gaza Strip.

The report said the enclave needs 800,000 trucks of reconstruction material to rebuild homes, schools, medical facilities and the necessary infrastructure, which was destroyed by repeated disputes and years of Israeli siege.

Norway may setup committee to oversee rebuilding Gaza

Simple answer is to stop attacking Israel and agree to peace talks and mutual borders

 

[Phoenall]

Of course, why keep giving money to the Pals when Israel is going to destroy whatever they build. I also question the PA. There needs to be some changes. Its time for the Pals to get someone in there to fight for them. I am very into peace, but this is crazy to let people keep taking your land, home, and killing you off slowly. Those Israelites need to be put in their place, perhaps the Med. Sea. This is crazy how our gov. (the US) is friends with these killing maniacs.

I read this.

Norway may setup committee to oversee rebuilding Gaza

Wednesday, 11 March 2015 12:04

Norway is looking into the possibility of forming a special committee to oversee the rebuilding of the Gaza Strip similar to the committee established by Qatar, a special source told Al-Resalah news site.

The source said that a proposal, submitted to the Norwegian prime minister and Ministry of Foreign Affairs last month, provides that Norway establishes a special committee to supervise the channelling of funds to Gaza and reconstruction projects there.

According to the source, a Norwegian delegation arrived in Gaza last week in order to study the idea and its applicability.

The source said the Norwegian government and other European ambassadors are wary of the Palestinian Authority's role in the process and fear that it will hinder rebuilding the enclave or will not send the money to the Gaza Strip.

The source added: "European countries tend to believe that the Palestinian Authority wants to impede reconstruction plans for political benefits, however reports coming from the Gaza Strip warn that the situation could explode at any moment there."

Last month, the UK's Oxfam warned that at the current rate, it would take 100 years to rebuild the Gaza Strip.

The report said the enclave needs 800,000 trucks of reconstruction material to rebuild homes, schools, medical facilities and the necessary infrastructure, which was destroyed by repeated disputes and years of Israeli siege.

Norway may setup committee to oversee rebuilding Gaza

Yeah, just like the building materials that were sent for this "reconstruction" before, that went into building attack tunnels. Nope, The pals don't deserve squat until they start acting like humans.

Well gee if Egypt can close the tunnels without destroying buildings and entering Gaza, why can't the Israel, too stupid?

Well it could be that the only entrance is in gaza which means that the IDF would have to enter gaza and destroy buildings to close the tunnels, STUPID.
You are aware that the majority of tunnels into Israel are blind and for the purpose of blowing up schools full of children. The tunnels from gaza to Egypt are for smuggling, and the Egyptians have demolished more Palestinian buildings pro rata than Israel has.

 

[Phoenall]

"P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure what a "hit piece" is.

Rocco's post was a hit piece. I didn't see any relevance to my post.

(COMMENT)

I thought the question was going in the wrong direction. It should be about the consequences of the PA Action. The question "Can Israel Survive Without the Palestinian Authority Foreign Policy" presupposes that the Palestinians have a Foreign Policy on which Israel depends upon for its survival. That is not at all obvious. And your opening tied that to budget and funding; suggesting that financial issue are somehow tied to the question on Israeli dependence on Palestinian Foreign Policy. And again, I don't think that is at all obvious.

The base argument suggests that the long-term impact of losing the Palestinian contribution to security (policy and cooperation) for Palestinian controlled areas would likely cost billions of dollars MORE to the Israeli taxpayers. And that would be true if the Israelis were at all concerned about lawlessness in the former Palestinian controlled areas. But suppose that Israel doesn't care whether the Palestinians burn their portion of the West Bank down? And the Palestinian Foreign Policy in the broader sense, has already expended a vast majority of their energy. What more damage can they inflict in politically upon Israel --- versus --- how much more damage can Israel inflict on the West Bank and Gaza? (I suggest that is no contest.)

The question should be focused and shaped differently. And that is where I started my Posting #4. What impact can the self-inflicted wound (Palestinian inaction and lack of deceive self-supporting government) have on the Palestinian people. And how much are the people of the West Bank dependent on outside hand-outs (unable to stand alone)?

Remembering that: Article 22 criteria was "until such time as they are able to stand alone." If the State of Palestine government now declares that they are incapable of governing themselves because they are dependent on the Israelis and foreign donors (Israel keeps choking the PA); should that matter if they are capable of standing alone?) What does that say about their abilities to meet the century old criteria to be independent.

Does that make the claim by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s claim --- "that if the Israelis leave the West Bank that the State of Palestine will fail" --- any less sound and valid?

Most Respectfully,
R

You missed the point.

NOPE he hit the point very well, it is you that missed the whole point of your own post

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is possible that I tried to shift the discussion on the topic.

P F Tinmore, et al,

No I don't think so.

You missed the point.

(COMMENT)

It is a case "misdirection;" a technique used when performing trying to shift the impact and Feint an alternative political strategy.

v/r
R

Indeed, you did try to shift focus.

(COMMENT)

There is absolutely no Palestinian Foreign Policy on which Israeli survival is dependent? In the absence of such a policy --- we should properly reframe the argument.

Most Respectfully,
R

The OP is not about Palestinian foreign policy.

Then why bring it into the equation and title ?

 

[docmauser1]

Israel keeps choking the PA. They will no longer be able the continue the security coordination with Israel. ...

Israel can "survive" without palistanians whole, indeed.