Are you born gay?

[Ravi]

So, when somebody tells you that homosexuality is a sinful choice, what they are really confessing is that they are gays who choose not to succum to their homosexual urges.

There's a lot of truth in that statement. Who else would care, really, about the question asked to start this thread, besides those that struggle to deny their nature.

 

[plt42]

Perhaps, dear Fence Post. But my opinion is backed up with a logical basis. So far you have not been able to offer the logical basis of yours, or dispute my logic.

conjecture: a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork

The "logical basis" of your opinion is no more definitive than my opinion, at least not at this point in medical or psychiatric science.

For instance, in my opinion, you argure for only for the sake of arguing ... but, it's only conjecture.

 

[Care4all]

I don't believe we are "born gay", this is not to say that many have not had homosexual desires that are both straight or gay at this point in their lives.

I guess, i am thinking more on the lines of survival of our species, all species seem to innately want to survive, and because of this, i think that it would be considered normal for us to be born straight, for us to procreate....which takes male and female.

I am not denying what Gays think and feel is normal to them...because i am certain those feelings and attractions to the same sex are real....i just don't see it as something in "nature" that continues the survival of our species....thus, i am NOT CONVINCED that they are naturally born with these desires....i don't see any innate scientific reason for it?

I will say that I am not dead set against it being something that one is born with and am open to any truely scientific reasons that prove such...

Care

 

[Sunni Man]

Rapists, child molesters, homosexuals, and other sexual deviants. All have a mental problem that they have let assume control of their mind.

They think what they are doing is normal, and can't understand why other people don't see it their way.

Saddly, society has bought into normalizing this mental disorder. Now instead of receiving treatment. Homos are being enabled by society to continue their perverse lifestyle.

 

[Luissa]

Rapists, child molesters, homosexuals, and other sexual deviants. All have a mental problem that they have let assume control of their mind.

They think what they are doing is normal, and can't understand why other people don't see it their way.

Saddly, society has bought into normalizing this mental disorder. Now instead of receiving treatment. Homos are being enabled by society to continue their perverse lifestyle.

And we also let someone like you not recieve help for you mental problems.
And the reason why other people don't see it this way is because we don't feel the need to think someone who is different from us is not normal or perverse.
You also need to stop lumping homosexuals into the same group as child molesters and rapists. I also might add most serial killers are white males, maybe we should lump all white males into the catagory of serial killers.

 

[Sunni Man]

Homosexuals need to be rounded up and locked up into mental institutions so that they can receive treatment for their vile condition.

They are a threat to our society and culture, and the overall health if our nation.

Most homos carry around and spread various diseases and infections.

They should Not be allowed around normal people.

 

[Luissa]

Homosexuals need to be rounded up and locked up into mental institutions so that they can receive treatment for their vile condition.

They are a threat to our society and culture, and the overall health if our nation.

Most homos carry around and spread various diseases and infections.

They should Not be allowed around normal people.

More heterosexaul males carry the HIV/AIDS virus in this country then any other group. And you are the threat to our society. For one you make america look bad.
ANd if you don't want them around normal people don't elect them to congress!

 

[random3434]

Homosexuals need to be rounded up and locked up into mental institutions so that they can receive treatment for their vile condition.

They are a threat to our society and culture, and the overall health if our nation.

Most homos carry around and spread various diseases and infections.

They should Not be allowed around normal people.

You must be hiding something there in that closet of yours sunnyboy.

 

[Sunni Man]

For one you make america look bad.

How is telling the Truth making America look bad?

 

[Luissa]

How is telling the Truth making America look bad?

YOu make the rest of the world think we are a bunch of bigots!
And I hope you get blessed with a gay son/daughter or grandson/daughter! Then maybe you will wake up and realize how wrong you are! Now I am done talking to you. YOu are not worth it!

 

[Anguille]

Homosexuals need to be rounded up and locked up into mental institutions so that they can receive treatment for their vile condition.

They are a threat to our society and culture, and the overall health if our nation.

Most homos carry around and spread various diseases and infections.

They should Not be allowed around normal people.

I think Gunny was on track when he suggested you might be posting from prison except maybe instead of prison, I think it's more likely you're posting from a padded room.

 

[Sunni Man]

YOu make the rest of the world think we are a bunch of bigots!
And I hope you get blessed with a gay son/daughter or grandson/daughter! Then maybe you will wake up and realize how wrong you are! Now I am done talking to you. YOu are not worth it!

Sorry that you can't handle the TRUTH

Yes, you should run away and hide!!

 

[Anguille]

I don't believe we are "born gay", this is not to say that many have not had homosexual desires that are both straight or gay at this point in their lives.

I guess, i am thinking more on the lines of survival of our species, all species seem to innately want to survive, and because of this, i think that it would be considered normal for us to be born straight, for us to procreate....which takes male and female.

I am not denying what Gays think and feel is normal to them...because i am certain those feelings and attractions to the same sex are real....i just don't see it as something in "nature" that continues the survival of our species....thus, i am NOT CONVINCED that they are naturally born with these desires....i don't see any innate scientific reason for it?

I will say that I am not dead set against it being something that one is born with and am open to any truely scientific reasons that prove such...

Care

I'm no biologist but I do think that there are reasons why homosexuality might be considered normal behavior.
First, it has been observed on many different animal species and certainly has existed among humans since as far back as the historical record goes. So evolution has not caused it to go extinct.
Second, perhaps it is a response to overpopulation, a way of protecting a species that has overcrowded it's habitat.

 

[Sunni Man]

I'm no biologist but I do think that there are reasons why homosexuality might be considered normal behavior.
First, it has been observed on many different animal species and certainly has existed among humans since as far back as the historical record goes.

Murder, rape, and pedophilia go back to the beginning of historical records.

Does that make them normal behavior also??

 

[Anguille]

Murder, rape, and pedophilia go back to the beginning of historical records.

Does that make them normal behavior also??

Sonny Boy, it seems like you really need to get laid. Why don't you just explore your attraction to men rather than try to repress it. Try it. You might like it.

 

[Sunni Man]

Sonny Boy, it seems like you really need to get laid. Why don't you just explore your attraction to men rather than try to repress it. Try it. You might like it.

So basically, you are saying that you are unable to debate this subject and have been defeated by my logic..

And now all you have left is to make personal attacks against me.

 

[Anguille]

So basically, you are saying that you are unable to debate this subject and have been defeated by my logic..

And now all you have left is to make personal attacks against me.

Aren't you making personal attacks against homosexuals?
Your logic hasn't proved a thing other than that you are a hateful bigot posing as a Muslim.

 

[Care4all]

I'm no biologist but I do think that there are reasons why homosexuality might be considered normal behavior.
First, it has been observed on many different animal species and certainly has existed among humans since as far back as the historical record goes. So evolution has not caused it to go extinct.

Yes, it has been observed with other species, this has been documented and thought of as a dominance behavior of these animals, but note, these animals are not only gay persay, they also have sexual relationships with females.

And yes, homosexual sex has also occurred among humans and was even accepted in societies such as in the Roman Empire, where it was OK for Roman men to have homosexual sex with another man, if the man was also his slave and if it was the Roman man screwing the slave, but NOT the other way around....this too was a sign of dominance, and accepted.

I am not denying homosexual desires have existed among humans forever, i'm just not a believer that one is born with them for any scientific or survival reason.

Second, perhaps it is a response to overpopulation, a way of protecting a species that has overcrowded it's habitat.

You have a good point on your second one, I hadn't thought about such, prior to you mentioning it, and will consider this a possibility.

care

 

[Sunni Man]

Aren't you making personal attacks against homosexuals?
Your logic hasn't proved a thing other than that you are a hateful bigot posing as a Muslim.

I only address and state my opinions about various subjects.

I don't attack or slander members of the forum.

 

[Sunni Man]

Second, perhaps it is a response to overpopulation, a way of protecting a species that has overcrowded it's habitat.

What a laugh!!

So you are saying that two guys packing each others fudge. Is some how part of the evolutionary process for human population control !!!!