Are you born gay?

[Care4all]

If a person is involved in sin and hasn't repented upon their death.

They are going to Hell.

Correct?

(that's basic Christian theology)

NO, that is not basic Christian theology, though some may believe such.

If you repented, then you essencially saved yourself and there would be no need for Christ.

we can't "save" ourselves as a Christian....Thru Faith in Christ and His sacrafice for us, we are saved.

Yes, we repent of our sins if we have the strength to do such, this is out of our love for Christ and what he did for us thru His sacrafice....Thru Faith, (belief), and grace and mercy we are saved....not thru actual actions of our own....

 

[Sunni Man]

NO, that is not basic Christian theology, though some may believe such.

If you repented, then you essencially saved yourself and there would be no need for Christ.

we can't "save" ourselves as a Christian....Thru Faith in Christ and His sacrafice for us, we are saved.

Yes, we repent of our sins if we have the strength to do such, this is out of our love for Christ and what he did for us thru His sacrafice....Thru Faith, (belief), and grace and mercy we are saved....not thru actual actions of our own....

So a bank robber, mass murder, homosexual, will go to Heaven?

 

[Care4all]

So a bank robber, mass murder, homosexual, will go to Heaven?

they could, just like an adulteress,a fornicater, a prostitute, a liar, a thief, or someone who wants to keep up with the Jones's (covetting) if they truely accept that Christ is Lord and Savior....

ONLY Christ/God can know what is in their heart and what they believe...i could never know this, that's why we have Christ being the judge of such on judgement day....and for me to say that i know these sinners are going to Hell would be blasphemy....would be me saying that I was God.

 

[Sunni Man]

...and for me to say that i know these sinners are going to Hell would be blasphemy....would be me saying that I was God.

No, it would mean that you believe in the Bible and what it says.

Unrepentant sinners are going to Hell. That's what it says. Period!

 

[Care4all]

No, it would mean that you believe in the Bible and what it says.

Unrepentant sinners are going to Hell. That's what it says. Period!

So are you implying that when all of us die, we must be sin free, perfect, in order to be saved?

Where in the Christian New testament does it say such, please provide a verse that states such, and we can debate it?

 

[Sunni Man]

So are you implying that when all of us die, we must be sin free, perfect, in order to be saved?

Where in the Christian New testament does it say such, please provide a verse that states such, and we can debate it?

I am not saying that at all.

But if a person was in "willful" sin upon death. Then they are going to Hell.

An example would be: A christian man has a heart attack and dies while in bed with a woman who is not his wife.

 

[Luissa]

So a bank robber, mass murder, homosexual, will go to Heaven?

If the homosexual is not a mass murderer or a bank robber or has commited in any such sin. I bet you listen to Michael Savage too. How do you feel about autism?

 

[Sunni Man]

If the homosexual is not a mass murderer or a bank robber or has commited in any such sin. I bet you listen to Michael Savage too. How do you feel about autism?

You would lose your bet.

Michael Savage is a complete Bozo

 

[Care4all]

I am not saying that at all.

But if a person was in "willful" sin upon death. Then they are going to Hell.

An example would be: A christian man has a heart attack and dies while in bed with a woman who is not his wife.

i don't know that he would be in hell, by anything in the new testament....

also....this same man, could have taken his money and given it all to the needy, visited the people in prison, fed the hungry, welcomed the stranger, and took care of the sick... but had weakness when it came to his peepee!!!

Christianity is the ONLY monotheist* religion where it is thru Faith in Christ, we are saved.

in the Our Father, the prayer Christ gave us....it tells us to forgive the sins of those that have sinned against us, so that our OWN sins may also be forgiven....

no mention of repentence....

 

[Sunni Man]

i don't know that he would be in hell, by anything in the new testament....

also....this same man, could have taken his money and given it all to the needy, visited the people in prison, fed the hungry, welcomed the stranger, and took care of the sick... but had weakness when it came to his peepee!!!

Christianity is the ONLY monolithic religion where it is thru Faith in Christ, we are saved.

in the Our Father, the prayer Christ gave us....it tells us to forgive the sins of those that have sinned against us, so that our OWN sins may also be forgiven....

no mention of repentence....

So according to you. Hell will be basically empty. And Heaven will be full.

 

[Care4all]

So according to you. Hell will be basically empty. And Heaven will be full.

no, i never said such....and the Bible doesn't say such...

what i am saying is that it is blasphemy for me to determine and JUDGE by saying for CERTAIN that someone is going to hell, only God can know what is in the person's mind and heart and soul and only God/Jesus will judge such....

just look at the parable of the sheep and the goats....those that were sent to hell were the people that thought they were the righteous ones and those that were sent to heaven were the humble ones who were shocked that they were being rewarded by Christ....

 

[editec]

I don't know about the rest of you boys, but I started getting turgid from at least the time I looked at pretty woman when I was about five years old.

If any of you really think I could have chosen to find men sexually attractive, and simply didn't do it because I was a Christian, I think you must be closet gays living in total denial of your own homosexual urges or something.

I will admit that one can choose NOT to practice gay sex, of course, but that doesn't mean you're straight.

You are gay if you are attracted to members of the same gender.

You are straight if you are attracted to members of the opposite sex.

There really is no denying the truth of those simple facts.

 

[plt42]

Post 1, sentence 1.

So answer my question, without conjecture.

Finally... your definitie answer.

Post 1 Sentence 1 ...did not answer my question to you however your total agreement with Sunni did.

Thank you. Sheesh... it's like pulling hens teeth to get a straight (pardon the pun) answer out of you.

My answer to your question... without conjecture: It's my opinion that people are born either heterosexual or homosexual. It's is not a choice they make.

 

[editec]

Just stop and THINK what some of the boys on this board are confessing to when they tell us that having homosexual proclivities is a choice.

They are admitting that while they may be practicing heterosexual sex, they are doing so while denying their urge to have sex with other men.

Hetersosexuals don't have to choose not to have sex with people of the same gender

Homosexuals don't have to choose to find members of the same gender sexually interesting, either.

Only people who are gay themselves think that homosexuals have to CHOOSE not to have gay sex.

Real men and women, men and women who are really heterosexuals, I mean, had their gender preference choice made for them by their very natures.

So, when somebody tells you that homosexuality is a sinful choice, what they are really confessing is that they are gays who choose not to succum to their homosexual urges.

I admire them for their honesty, and their restraint, too.

I feel a tad sorry for them, since they're denying themselves their sexual natures, but hey, it's their lives to do with as they choose.

Of course I feel sorry for their spouses and partners, too if they're married or involved with somebody, but that choice they're making to lie to their mates is really none of my business.

If they want to live in the closet and deny their homosexuality, and if they choose to lie to their sexual partners about who they really are and who they really want to have sex with, it's really no skin of my nose.

 

[jla1178]

If a gay person dies and goes to Hell, does he get 72 virgins?

 

[glockmail]

Finally... your definitie answer.

Post 1 Sentence 1 ...did not answer my question to you however your total agreement with Sunni did.

Thank you. Sheesh... it's like pulling hens teeth to get a straight (pardon the pun) answer out of you.

My answer to your question... without conjecture: It's my opinion that people are born either heterosexual or homosexual. It's is not a choice they make.

My first sentence of the OP written months before you asked a question that it answered, is "finally answered".

Wait- it gets better. Your opinion without any stated basis is also "without conjecture".

Wow you libs are dense.

 

[glockmail]

If a gay person dies and goes to Hell, does he get 72 virgins?

No, he gets to be a virgin 72 times to his cell mate, "Mr. Tiny".

 

[Anguille]

I never thought of it that way, editec. That makes a lot of sense. Anyone choosing to be straight, or gay, for that matter, is by the mere act of revealing that they feel they have a choice, also revealing that they have urges they could act on but do not.

To me , gay versus straight seems too black and white to accurately describe human sexuality. I think most people could place them selves on a spectrum somewhere between totally gay and totally straight. Not necessarily in terms of their actions but in terms of what attracts them.

 

[plt42]

My first sentence of the OP written months before you asked a question that it answered, is "finally answered".

Wait- it gets better. Your opinion without any stated basis is also "without conjecture".

Wow you libs are dense.

Glock... dear boy... you'd argue with a fence post.

You've stated your opinion; I've stated mine.

I think we're done here.

 

[glockmail]

Glock... dear boy... you'd argue with a fence post.

You've stated your opinion; I've stated mine.

I think we're done here.

Perhaps, dear Fence Post. But my opinion is backed up with a logical basis. So far you have not been able to offer the logical basis of yours, or dispute my logic.