Are we ever going to see a return to high playing plant jobs with pension plans, $35 an hour, and double time overtime pay.?

[task0778]

Then what do you think is the future of the American middle-class if you believe that to be the case? in a country of over 330 million people.

Is there going to be a new sector for the American middle class. In the past it was steel and Auto. What will it be in the future if anything?

Don't know , but it's highly unlikely to be any sector that has to deal with organized labor. That day is over, get used to it.

If they can't, they don't deserve to be in the management of the companies their workers built for them.

You're an idiot. You think it's easy to run US carmaker companies, competing with cheaper foreign cars? And BTW, the workers did not build those companies, investors did.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Don't know , but it's highly unlikely to be any sector that has to deal with organized labor. That day is over, get used to it.




You're an idiot. You think it's easy to run US carmaker companies, competing with cheaper foreign cars? And BTW, the workers did not build those companies, investors did.

Feudal Capitalism Is Terminal Capitalism

Investors are absentee owners, just as they are under Communism. They're not earners, they're parasites. Preaching that they "create jobs" is like saying that vampires create blood.

The employees create the value of the investment. Just as is said about the government, the plutocratic parasites only throw money at an activity; they don't make it work. Overvaluing these leeches is like saying that the ignition key creates the value of a car and should be priced at tens of thousands of dollars.

 

[Unkotare]

Wannabe commie ^^^^^is highly frustrated.

 

[Richard-H]

Feudal Capitalism Is Terminal Capitalism

Investors are absentee owners, just as they are under Communism. They're not earners, they're parasites. Preaching that they "create jobs" is like saying that vampires create blood.

The employees create the value of the investment. Just as is said about the government, the plutocratic parasites only throw money at an activity; they don't make it work. Overvaluing these leeches is like saying that the ignition key creates the value of a car and should be priced at tens of thousands of dollars.

'Investment' is authorizing the activation of resources. People are resources.

It's the productive work of the workers that create wealth that gives the investments value.

What the 'Capitalists' (i.e. 'Opportunists') refuse the realize is that they can invest all they want, but if the workers do not do the productive work, their investment value goes to zero.

That's why Union strikes are so powerful....and why investors hate Unions.

 

[dblack]

Feudal Capitalism Is Terminal Capitalism

Investors are absentee owners, just as they are under Communism. They're not earners, they're parasites. Preaching that they "create jobs" is like saying that vampires create blood.

The employees create the value of the investment. Just as is said about the government, the plutocratic parasites only throw money at an activity; they don't make it work. Overvaluing these leeches is like saying that the ignition key creates the value of a car and should be priced at tens of thousands of dollars.

One of the more naive conceits of socialists. They want to completely ignore the role of capitalists in a free market. They want to pretend that they are dispensable ('parasites').

They come face to face with reality, however, as soon as they get rid of capitalists and start trying to run a socialized, command economy on their own. Someone must make decisions regarding how we organize resources and labor, how we invest our resources. At the end of the day, you can either let people invest their own property as they see fit, with their own profits or losses guiding them, or let government agents do it instead (who have a different set of concerns). But somebody's got to do it, and socialists stick their heads right back into their rectums when the topic is raised.

 

[Richard-H]

One of the more naive conceits of socialists. They want to completely ignore the role of capitalists in a free market. They want to pretend that they are dispensable ('parasites').

They come face to face with reality, however, as soon as they get rid of capitalists and start trying to run a socialized, command economy on their own. Someone must make decisions regarding how we organize resources and labor, how we invest our resources. At the end of the day, you can either let people invest their own property as they see fit, with their own profits or losses guiding them, or let government agents do it instead (who have a different set of concerns). But somebody's got to do it, and socialists stick their heads right back into their rectums when the topic is raised.

So, your argument against socialism is that the government managers are not competent.

While the capitalist system leaves the majority of the people living paycheck to paycheck, in poverty and homeless if they get laid off. Not much of a successful system for the majority of the people.

The Chinese economy has proven you absolutely wrong. It's been a government run economy that's grown at an incredible rate for the past 30 years, and one that provides for all its people, not just the elites.

Guess again, fool!

 

[dblack]

So, your argument against socialism is that the government managers are not competent.

No. My argument against socialism is that it pushes us toward totalitarian government and diminishes individual rights.

The Chinese economy has proven you absolutely wrong. It's been a government run economy that's grown at an incredible rate for the past 30 years, and one that provides for all its people, not just the elites.

You should totally go to China. But don't forget your rose colored glasses. Or maybe borrow Tucker's.

 

[Unkotare]

So, your argument against socialism is that the government managers are not competent.

While the capitalist system leaves the majority of the people living paycheck to paycheck, in poverty and homeless if they get laid off. Not much of a successful system for the majority of the people.

The Chinese economy has proven you absolutely wrong. It's been a government run economy that's grown at an incredible rate for the past 30 years, and one that provides for all its people, not just the elites.

Guess again, fool!

Go spend a few years over there and come back with your new attitude.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Lol.

The 1% do not get wages and you find it funny? Does Bill Gates or Elon Musk draw a salary? No, of course they don't!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Capitalism works best when workers are not co.placent and constantly leaving a job for a better one.

What is co.placent? I assume you meant complacent and that doesn't do anyone any good!

 

[Godboy]

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My dad, uncle and grandfather worked those types of jobs seen above. Along with many millions of Americans, if not many more throughout the 20th century. It was a pro American job. These folks were building America.

Now today the country is almost entirely different. You have a bunch of stay at home dads. Female headed households. Households with a single woman raising four or five kids especially in the inner cities. It wasn’t like this in the 1950s even the 1970s.

Those types of pictures above represented the bulk of middle-class jobs. You can of course throw in truck drivers Perhaps carpenters as well but people know what I’m talking about here. These were the bulk of the middle-class jobs.

So what is it going to be as we dive into the 21st-century. is the American middle-class going to continue to get worse and worse? Under Joe Biden we’ve seen a doubling in the average cost of a home, and a triple in interest rates on loan, compared to what it was under Trump. The middle class has been struggling for decades, but under Joe Biden it got hit really bad.

Is Joe Biden going to give us a better middle class. That’s an honest and open question to Biden and Trump supporters. What do you think? Do we need Donald Trump back?

Or is there going to be some kind of a great CEO like another Henry Ford or Rockefeller that leads the way.??

In 40 years, robots will be making our cars. There will never again be a high income jobs at factories for humans on an assembly line.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In 40 years, robots will be making our cars. There will never again be a high income jobs at factories for humans on an assembly line.

Robots already make most of the car's components.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

In 40 years, robots will be making our cars. There will never again be a high income jobs at factories for humans on an assembly line.

Do you think we will soon have a universal basic income?

In a country of over 330 million people and growing. With robots and artificial intelligence on the rise, what will become of the future?

Will the American middle class disappear at some point?

 

[gipper]

The 1% do not get wages and you find it funny? Does Bill Gates or Elon Musk draw a salary? No, of course they don't!

And what about their enormous wealth which has greatly increased, while most Americans see little increase. Plus, their tax rates are in the single digits, thanks to a tax code they devised and an army of tax accountants to find all sorts of loopholes.

No doubt you find nothing wrong with this.

 

[Unkotare]

In 40 years, robots will be making our cars. There will never again be a high income jobs at factories for humans on an assembly line.

There will be much higher paying jobs designing, programming, and maintaining those robots.

 

[Unkotare]

Do you think we will soon have a universal basic income?

In a country of over 330 million people and growing. With robots and artificial intelligence on the rise, what will become of the future?

Will the American middle class disappear at some point?

No and No.

 

[candycorn]

Are we ever going to see a return to high playing plant jobs with pension plans, $35 an hour, and double time overtime pay.?​

No. How in hell do you think American carmakers can compete with foreign companies if they have to pay these kinds of labor costs?

No. Unions (through some fault of their own) have been marginalized and there is nobody fighting for labor. The GOP (primarily) has seen to it that Wall Street is more important than Main Street.

 

[whitehall]

Wrong forum? Skilled manufacturing jobs are out there but don't expect to get $35 hr as a Walmart greeter.

 

[Godboy]

Do you think we will soon have a universal basic income?

In a country of over 330 million people and growing. With robots and artificial intelligence on the rise, what will become of the future?

Will the American middle class disappear at some point?

I dont think a universal income will be required. The one thing we know from history is, once you invent a new tool, it always creates whole new industries for workers. I cant predict what those industries will be, but new ones will appear as each human industry is taken over by robots.

Also, its one thing to have robots on an assembly line performing tasks with a specific program that has the assembly line mapped out in its brain (most of these robots will be stationary with no legs), but try having one paint someones house that its never seen before. There will come a point when they can paint a house, but the cost of the robot will exceed the cost of a house painter, for example.

 

[initforme]

No. Unions (through some fault of their own) have been marginalized and there is nobody fighting for labor. The GOP (primarily) has seen to it that Wall Street is more important than Main Street.

Oh man what a perfect post. Says it all. There is nobody fighting for labor. Indisputable fact. Some want labor to work for less that way they pay less for the product. Why? Because they hate American labor.