Zone1 Are We Currently In End Times?

[jacksonlamb]

It is enough if a single god exists then we can go back to history to live.

Science does not have enough evidence that gods do not exists.

Nor that gods do exist.

 

[ChristisKing]

well sure implys it way this started

No. How can Trump be the anti-Christ when he's fighting against the Iranians? He's blasphemous but he's not the anti-Christ.

 

[pal]

Nor that gods do exist.

Without gods, science has won the battle against religion, is that what you think? I wish we go back in time, eternal end is not something I wish for.

 

[jacksonlamb]

 

[BreezeWood]

No. How can Trump be the anti-Christ when he's fighting against the Iranians?

no one can is not an excuse -

there is no such being as a messiah from the heavens for there to be an anti-messiah - they are fighting for judaism and is then anti jesus, liberation theology - self determination.

trump and the jew a-bomb is a greater threat to garden earth than any other in history.

 

[ding]

self determination.

Determining what exactly? Do you believe in heaven and hell? Otherwise, what exactly is being determined?

 

[jacksonlamb]

no one can is not an excuse -

there is no such being as a messiah from the heavens for there to be an anti-messiah - they are fighting for judaism and is then anti jesus, liberation theology - self determination.

trump and the jew a-bomb is a greater threat to garden earth than any other in history.

Only if the Muslims get jiggy with the Israels

 

[BreezeWood]

Only if the Muslims get jiggy with the Israels

as jesus knew - no religion were it such as worthy of such crimes they commit - a confederacy of self absorbed idolators obsessed for their own self interest.

 

[onefour1]

That is your opinion, I understand, but not what your Church teaches.

How can you say that it is not what my Church teaches? I quoted from our scriptures the following verses:

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.
7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

This is definitely church doctrine and is contained in our church scriptures called the Doctrine and Covenants. This was a revelation given to our Prophet Joseph Smith who was instrumental in restoring the church is these latter-days. This revelation from God to Joseph Smith tells us that the book which John saw in the Book of Revelation which was sealed with seven seals represents the revealed will, mysteries and works of God concerning this earth during the earth's seven thousand years of its temporal existence. Thus from this we know that the earth will only have a seven thousand year period of temporal existence. We also know from the Book of Revelation that Jesus does not make his second coming appearance until the 7th seal is opened. So have there been a full 6000 years since the fall of Adam and Eve? I think we are nearing the end of 6000 years and will soon begin the 7000 year period.

A. The LDS Church teaches that we are in the “last days,” but not the “final days.”​

“Last days” is a broad scriptural term covering the entire period from Christ’s resurrection to His return.

LDS leaders consistently teach that:

• We are living in the “latter days,”
• But no one knows the day or the hour (Matthew 24:36),
• And the Church does not predict the timing of the Second Coming.

And I have never claimed to know the day or the hour of Jesus Christ's second coming. But this doesn't means that we cannot know which of the seven seals we currently live in? NO! In broad terms the church does predict when the second coming will be. They just do not know the exact generation, date, and time. Jesus himself taught that we may not know the day or hour but we can know that we are close by watching for the signs of the times:

Matthew 24:29-33
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

B. The Church explicitly rejects date‑setting​

Multiple First Presidency statements and General Conference talks emphasize:

• Members should avoid speculation
• The Church has no revealed timeline
• The Second Coming will occur “in the Lord’s own due time”

I fully understand that no man knows the day or the hour. I have have not predicted any such thing. What I am predicting is that we are near the end of the 6th seal and close to the opening of the 7th seal. This is also prophesied by the Apostle John in the Book of Revelation where he tells us that the seventh seal is opened before Jesus makes his second coming. The Bible itself is part of the standard works of scripture in our church and is considered doctrine.

C. The Church teaches to prepare spiritually, not chronologically​

Preparation is framed as:

• Faithfulness
• Service
• Temple worship
• Personal discipleship

—not countdowns or generational predictions.

Many in the church have given talks and written books regarding the end times which include the seven seals.

2. What LDS leaders ​

A. Early Latter‑day Saints sometimes assumed it​

In the 1830s–1840s, some Saints believed the Second Coming might occur within their lifetime.This was never canonized and was later clarified.

Well, if the second coming never occurred in their lifetime, then clarification of their miss believe was probably forthcoming.

B. Modern LDS leaders consistently correct this idea​

Leaders such as:

• President Russell M. Nelson
• President Dallin H. Oaks
• Elder Jeffrey R. Holland
• Elder M. Russell Ballard

have all taught that:

• We are closer to the Second Coming
• But no generation has been designated
• Members should not assume it will occur in their lifetime

President Oaks (2020):

3. The following ideas are not official LDS teachings:​

• “Christ will return in this generation.”
• “The Second Coming will happen before today’s youth grow old.”
• “Prophets have said the end will come soon.”
• “The Church has a timeline for the final days.”

These appear frequently in LDS culture, social media, and speculation, but they are not doctrine.

4. What the Church does teach​

A. Prophecies will be fulfilled​

LDS scripture describes:

• Worldwide preaching of the gospel
• Gathering of Israel
• Temple building
• Moral turbulence
• Natural upheavals
• A final period of tribulation

But no sequence or timing is officially defined.

B. The Church’s stance is: live prepared, not panicked​

The emphasis is always:

• Steady discipleship
• Hope
• Service
• Avoiding fear‑based speculation

5. Bottom line​

LDS doctrine:

• We are in the “latter days.”
• The Second Coming is certain.
• Its timing is unknown.
• No generation has been designated.
• Members should prepare spiritually, not chronologically.

LDS culture:

• Some members speculate about “this generation,”
• But this is not official teaching.

Chat AI response to the "Is it LDS Mormon doctrine that the 'final days' of Christ's coming will be fulfilled in this generation?"

As far as the church goes, it believes what has been revealed in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price. As I have shown above, the Prophet and Apostle John in the Book of Revelation has revealed that the second coming of Christ will come after the 7th seal is opened and the 7th seal will contain the 1000 year millennium of Christ's reign upon the earth. The Prophet Joseph Smith received revelation letting us know that the temporal existence of this earth will be 7000 years and each seal of the sealed book represents things that occur within each of those 7 one thousand year periods. By studying history and the chronology of the Bible we know that we are close to the end of six thousand years from the fall of Adam and are about to live within the 7th thousand year period that John prophesied the second comiing would occur and Christ 1000 year reign on earth will begin.

 

[jacksonlamb]

onefour1, you gave us your opinion of the LDS scriptures, but you are no authorized spokes Warren Stone Snowperson for the LDS Church.

I gave you what the person in leadership said, and you words are blown downwind compared to that.

 

[The Irish Ram]

No.

Every single generation from the first Easter Sunday thinks it is the last generation.

We are no different.

The problem with people like the Millerites and others is they don't listen to scripture.
It does not say, "When you see this thing or that". It says, "When you see these thingS".
Israel becoming a nation again. A global government. With a global leader. That no man may buy or sell, a New Jewish Temple, the defiling of the New Jewish Temple.

We have Bill Gates planning to become ruler of the world. The WEF being installed all over Europe and the West. Priests are being groomed for the New Temple that's not even built yet. Pure red heifers showing up. Microchips being designed to be able to buy and sell, ethnic wars, Israel becoming a milestone around our necks, pestilences that Fauci and Gates unleash...
We are not there yet, but we are certainly heading in the direction that makes Christ's return a necessity.

 

[ding]

as jesus knew - no religion were it such as worthy of such crimes they commit - a confederacy of self absorbed idolators obsessed for their own self interest.

Will these "self absorbed idolaters" burn in hell for eternity?

Or will they be equal to you in heaven?

 

[ding]

trump and the jew a-bomb is a greater threat to garden earth than any other in history.

Will trump burn in hell for eternity?

Or will trump be equal to you in heaven?

 

[Clyde 154]

End times? The world has been living in the "end times" for over 2100 years. The end times simply mean that Jesus Christ's New Testament of Grace is the LAST COVENANT the God of Creation will ever have with mankind.

The LAST DAYS were ushered in when Peter stood and used the "keys to the Kingdom" to open an entry way for mankind into the kingdom of God.......i.e, the CHURCH that Christ built as the cornerstone foundation (Acts 2)

Peter clearly stated on that day of Pentecost, these are the LAST DAYS predicted by the prophet Joel -- Acts 2:16-17

Paul confirmed this when he stated that Jesus had spoken to us in "these last days" -- Hebrews 1:1

No one......not even the Christ knows when the very last day will come upon mankind. "But of THAT DAY and HOUR knoweth no man, not the angels of heaven, but MY FATHER ONLY." -- Matt. 24:36.

Anyone that declares they know what the Christ did not are charlatans.

 

[Clyde 154]

no one can is not an excuse -

there is no such being as a messiah from the heavens for there to be an anti-messiah - they are fighting for judaism and is then anti jesus, liberation theology - self determination.

trump and the jew a-bomb is a greater threat to garden earth than any other in history.

Just how gullible can some human beings be? How disconnected from logic and reason must one be in order to deny that which is very visible and tangible?

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them (mankind): for God hath shewed it unto them: For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead." -- Romans 1:19-20

I actually feel sympathy for anyone who awakens every day and denies the spirit that resides within them, a spirit that animates this lump of carbon molecules called a human being. A spirit we know exists by the very fact that mankind is not capable of quantifying/measuring this force that generates life from physical matter. A life so perfect that it comprehends its own mortality and limits while directing its own fate through free will reasoning.

If you deny the existence of this Spiritual Force, then of course you must deny the mission of our Messiah......a mission that would allow this eternal spirit to live past the physical by eternally existing in that Spiritual Realm that surely is responsible for the construct of all things PHYSICAL.

If this PRIMA FACIE conclusion is not based upon TRUTH.......simply explain in a physical, scientific method how the PHYSICAL CONSTRUCT known as THE UNIVERSE birthed itself. Make creation into a scientific fact via empirical evidences. Make life itself into a fact of science and re-create life through the scientific method by creating just ONE LIVING CELL without the use of pre-existing examples of that life, this will explain how life created itself from dead matter/mass, how everything we see today generated itself from 2 simple gasses, Helium and Hydrogen.

Allow science to start with these 2 gases and create living matter.