Are we Americans....

[insein]

As for France, who has been selling arms and nuclear power to Saddam for the past 15 years?

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by insein
I just to hope to god your not an American.

He's not, of course.

 

[insein]

Originally posted by MtnBiker
He's not, of course.

What else is new.

 

[Gop guy]

LOL

 

[nycflasher]

Anyone else find it ironic that as George Bush met with Chirac this weekend:

1. It is the 60th Anniversary of D-Day.
2. President Ronald "Tear down the Wall" Reagan dies.
3. It is the 60th anniversary of D-Day.

 

[MtnBiker]

No

 

[insein]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Anyone else find it ironic that as George Bush met with Chirac this weekend:

1. It is the 60th Anniversary of D-Day.
2. President Ronald "Tear down the Wall" Reagan dies.
3. It is the 60th anniversary of D-Day.

How is that irony?

 

[MrMarbles]

Ya for mighty America and their ability to allow people the right to chosse their own destiny!

Unlike America, France has no big business gains to be made in Iraq. So why would they bother sending over their sons and daughters to be killed in the name of money.

I'm glad that all of you are able to see their point of view clearly, and are being so big about the fact that they have a moral conscience.

They have a right to their own views. Not to follow yours into a giant mess of a problem.

 

[insein]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
Ya for mighty America and their ability to allow people the right to chosse their own destiny!

Unlike America, France has no big business gains to be made in Iraq. So why would they bother sending over their sons and daughters to be killed in the name of money.

I'm glad that all of you are able to see their point of view clearly, and are being so big about the fact that they have a moral conscience.

They have a right to their own views. Not to follow yours into a giant mess of a problem.

Actually the whole reason France didnt want to goto Iraq was BECAUSE of the business in arms they would lose. They've sold everything from handguns to nuclear power to Saddam. IT was big business. Add that to the Oil for food program that Chirac was getting kickbacks on and you can see clearly why France's government didnt want to goto war. It had nothing to do with a conscience i can tell you that much.

 

[MrMarbles]

At least they weren't the ones who put the guy in power, and supply him with the weapons to wage war on thier neighbours. To bad Kuwait wasn't also on your 'to destroy' list, otherwise, Saddam may still be an ally of yours.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
At least they weren't the ones who put the guy in power, and supply him with the weapons to wage war on thier neighbours. To bad Kuwait wasn't also on your 'to destroy' list, otherwise, Saddam may still be an ally of yours.

This has got to be the dumbest post ive ever seen whatsoever.

Especially coming after the post before it saying:

Actually the whole reason France didnt want to goto Iraq was BECAUSE of the business in arms they would lose. They've sold everything from handguns to nuclear power to Saddam. IT was big business. Add that to the Oil for food program that Chirac was getting kickbacks on and you can see clearly why France's government didnt want to goto war. It had nothing to do with a conscience i can tell you that much

Also. Saddam came to power during the Carter administration. He used the Iranian revolution agianst the Shah as an opportunity to cease power in his own country and then invade Iran which he had hoped would be weak and disunified. Personally I think Saddam likely would have taken control regardless who was in power anywhere else. Jimmy Carter just gave him the perfect excuse by doing nothing in Iran.

Now tell me. How old are you? 13?

 

[Isaac Brock]

Well the US did feed him weapons against Iran, of that there is no doubt. Realpolitik came back to bite the US big time. Remember even before the US-led invaision of Iraq, the US was still the greatest importer of Iraqi goods to a tune of over 40% compared to France's 10%. (Source: http://i-cias.com/e.o/iraq_2.htm, CIA world factbook http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html )

Doesn't that seem a little odd? If France only less than 10% of exports and the US had more than 40% and given the fact that exports were subsidized towards lower export prices from the oil to food program, why would France have a greater interest in Iraq than the US?

You can accuse France of acting in its own best interest, but were they really benefiting as much as other power from Iraq? Even, Canada imported more goods from Iraq than France!

 

[insein]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
At least they weren't the ones who put the guy in power, and supply him with the weapons to wage war on thier neighbours. To bad Kuwait wasn't also on your 'to destroy' list, otherwise, Saddam may still be an ally of yours.

How many times do we have to say the same thing?

Saddam was the lesser of 2 evils. If not for Jimmy Carter bumbling foreign policy in the Middle East, we might not be in the positions were in today. He let our ally, the Shah of Iran, be overthrown by militant islamists. These militants are the begining of the modern anti-american movement that we see today. Led by the Aayotollah Kuhmene, Iran became a hot bed for terrorists harboring Anti-Western ideals. Saddam was by far the lesser of 2 evils at the time.

After the fall of Communism, Saddam had no immediate threat in the area. He decided to expand. We decided to fix our mistake after Kuwait was invaded. Clinton never finished the job though. So we have now removed him.

Understand?

 

[insein]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
Well the US did feed him weapons against Iran, of that there is no doubt. Realpolitik came back to bite the US big time. Remember even before the US-led invaision of Iraq, the US was still the greatest importer of Iraqi goods to a tune of over 40% compared to France's 10%. (Source: http://i-cias.com/e.o/iraq_2.htm, CIA world factbook http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html )

Doesn't that seem a little odd? If France only less than 10% of exports and the US had more than 40% and given the fact that exports were subsidized towards lower export prices from the oil to food program, why would France have a greater interest in Iraq than the US?

You can accuse France of acting in its own best interest, but were they really benefiting as much as other power from Iraq? Even, Canada imported more goods from Iraq than France!

I don't know that Frnace as a country benefited. I have a hunch that Chirac and his government benefited greatly.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by insein
How many times do we have to say the same thing?

Saddam was the lesser of 2 evils. If not for Jimmy Carter bumbling foreign policy in the Middle East, we might not be in the positions were in today. He let our ally, the Shah of Iran, be overthrown by militant islamists. These militants are the begining of the modern anti-american movement that we see today. Led by the Aayotollah Kuhmene, Iran became a hot bed for terrorists harboring Anti-Western ideals. Saddam was by far the lesser of 2 evils at the time.

After the fall of Communism, Saddam had no immediate threat in the area. He decided to expand. We decided to fix our mistake after Kuwait was invaded. Clinton never finished the job though. So we have now removed him.

Understand?

We removed Clinton?
How many terms did he serve?

 

[insein]

Originally posted by nycflasher
We removed Clinton?
How many terms did he serve?

Again i have no idea what your saying, flasher.

 

[EuroIrish]

I find it incredible that there is such a level of aggression against the French in the United States. Remember that in World War 1, the Americans appeared very late in the day, the British (which at that time included my own land Ireland), the French and others held out and suffered catastrophic losses, so too did the other side. In World War 2 the French actually declared war on Germany along with the United Kingdom to help defend Poland’s sovereignty. Free French forces continued to exist throughout World War 2. Some of the fiercest fighters in the Italian Campaign where Free French & FreeNorthAfricanFrench forces. Then there is your precious War of Independence, well for Rich White Men at least. France choked the British by creating a very effective Naval blockade, this being a magnificent feat against the then invincible Royal Navy. France provided troops, arms and political support to Colonial forces. Yes he French where there at Yorktown, but this seems to have become at best a footnote of American history. French financial support was also important in helping your fledgling nation grow. France sold you the Louisiana territory for a criminal steal. Detroit, St. Louis & New Orleans are French Cities. France gave you America’s most enduring symbols, the Statue of Liberty. France so inspired by your Revolution had their own, which in turn my own country Ireland inspired by the French also for a brief moment in history had Catholics and Protestants fight together against British oppression. The French answered our call (Ireland) in 1798 by sending 2,000 elite soldiers with Calvary & cannon, joining together with a rebel Irish army of 3,000 armed only with pikes (8 metre long iron stick with sharp points & hooks). There the Valiant Franco-Irish Army defeated Fortified British forces of 10,000-15,000 on several occasions before 50,000 Redcoat re-enforcements stopped the Franco-Irish Army half way to Dublin. Unfortunately Napoleon sent French re-enforcements too late.

France is a marvellous country. The World should be honoured that the cradle of much of Western Civilisation still holds her head high today.

 

[Annie]

posted originally by EuroIrishRemember that in World War 1, the Americans appeared very late in the day, the British (which at that time included my own land Ireland), the French and others held out and suffered catastrophic losses, so too did the other side.

In 1917 US was a minor power, in their own and all other eyes. We thought, justifiably that Euros were nuts. Only got in because the least nuts were losing.

In World War 2 the French actually declared war on Germany along with the United Kingdom to help defend Poland’s sovereignty.

France failed to inform England that the military had been left to rot from neglect since 1918. Whoops!

Free French forces continued to exist throughout World War 2. Some of the fiercest fighters in the Italian Campaign where Free French & FreeNorthAfricanFrench forces.

Source this please, news to me.

Then there is your precious War of Independence, well for Rich White Men at least. France choked the British by creating a very effective Naval blockade, this being a magnificent feat against the then invincible Royal Navy. France provided troops, arms and political support to Colonial forces. Yes he French where there at Yorktown, but this seems to have become at best a footnote of American history.

Actually with each new edition, more prominently noted. Wrong oh! You must truly be Euro! Paid back by about 500 k men in 2 world wars. Not to mention that we paid them the money for their service, back in 19th C., more than they did in 20th.

France sold you the Louisiana territory for a criminal steal.

Ended up paying them more than the original deal. Where do you get your info?

France gave you America’s most enduring symbols, the Statue of Liberty.

Hey we like it, but the Declaration and Constitution are way ahead of the statue.

France is a marvellous country. The World should be honoured that the cradle of much of Western Civilisation still holds her head high today.

France may have been a marvellous country. She is no more. Head should be hung in shame.

 

[MrMarbles]

Settle down Kathy, France has it's ups and downs, so does the States. They have a right to support you or not, they didn't, leave them alone. Lots of other countries and your own nation were opposed to the war, why aren't you harassing them?

 

[Zhukov]

The fact is we've been allies for a long time, us and the French, we've spilled blood together, and we take it a little personally when we're sold out by our 'friend' on the world stage.

They don't want to go to Iraq, fine don't go, no one was forcing them to; but why actively get in our way when we're trying to depose a tyrant and liberate millions of people? All they had to do was keep quiet. Wouldn't their pride let them? Seems not.

We're glad they helped us during our war for independence, we like our statue, and if they were attacked, again, we'd defend them, again. This latest episode just shows an amazing lack of gratitude, and many Americans don't appreciate it.