Are These Reasonable Regulations of Guns? or Harassment of Gun Owners?

[daveman]

I haven't seen a single Gun Grabber join in on this discussion. But I do see you gunnutters yelling at the top of your lungs for something you will NEVER get

Anyone else here go through NIMS?
I came away with this gun theory

Freedom really chaps your ass, don't it, Comrade?

More the illusion of it 'we the people' seem to be under

Eat shit. This is America. We don't do totalitarianism here

Depends what manner of control you're describing. Maybe you should pick one...

Insurrection?

Natural Disaster?

Alien invasion?

Under the PA, the executive branch rules over two branches of Gub'Mit in a national emergency. Yes we've had ongoing 'national emergencies' for a generation now, no,no one potus has pulled that card ...


yet any given potus could....

It's a stretch, but Trump could declare his impeachment process a national emergency,and have Pelsoi along with his Dems of choice jailed as traitors to the state.

Potentially, the totalitarianism you loath, would be welcomed by a good amount of our populace's jingoists

~S~

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

 

[daveman]

Dude I alone have over a thousand magazines with over 28,000 rounds of ammo stored in one of my places and just for one of my rifles triple that for the others located in different places. years and years of buying 2 magazines and three boxes of ammo will get you a lot.

which is fine if you're holding off the indians in 1840...

They believe that means we are in charge

Which is what they WANT you to believe

Also you didn't say you have any 81mm mortars stockpiled, so you lost already.

it's just one infringement after the next around here...

I only said what I said about me just imagine millions more out there

F16 Fodder.....

So once again, our 2nd is infringed in so many GubMit ways , you folks have a hard time seeing the forest from the constitutional sleeze

Further, you'd THINK the NRA would be taking a stand on the guttural evisceration that's happened to the 2nd..?

show me.....

Guess they're more interested in gun sales, the 2nd serving them no more than a catalyst .....

Welcome to the new Orwellian order

~S~

You communists, always so convinced that the military will violate their oath and help you overthrow the Constitution...

I fear when the time comes, you will be sorely, and fatally, disappointed.

VA Democrats believe VA National Guard troops will fire on their families and friends.

VA Democrats are morons.

It could possibly happen
If the 8500 members of the Virginia national guard are from Fairfax county

Then the blood of Virginia citizens will be on Virginia Democrats' hands.

Of course, it's leftists' preferred solution to dissent is blood.

 

[daveman]

VA Democrats believe VA National Guard troops will fire on their families and friends.

VA Democrats are morons.

If the National Guard is used, they won't instigate the firing. But if fired on, they ARE professionals. And then don't complain when they return fire because that's just bitching.

They won't allow themselves to be fired upon. They won't threaten their families and friends. That's a Commie wet dream.

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

I know nothing about the military, even though I served 20 years in uniform?

You are such a dumbass.

Meanwhile, let's see what a VA National Guardsman has to say:

National Guardsman: "We will not comply" if ordered by Virginia governor to arrest police, confiscate guns

Eat shit, leftist totalitarian. The military does not support your bullshit.

LOL
Let’s see how far that one goes

Oh, look -- another leftist who wants to use government violence.

You guys have a very limited repertoire: Tax it, regulate it -- or kill it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It's called, "Within Reason". Something you are having a problem understanding. But most spoiled 9 year olds do have trouble with that.

Yeah, totalitarians throughout history thought their curtailments of individual liberties were within reason, too.

They usually got killed for their trouble.

And that is the reason Americans like me need to keep you Tyrannical Freaks honest.

You project your totalitarian wishes, Comrade. Why do you hate America? Is it because no one kisses your ass in the manner to which you believe you're entitled? Do you think you'll be given a seat on the Politburo?

Considering YOU support Rump who is just in LOVE with Putin and a couple of other not so nice characters, it appears YOU are the comrade in this discussion, Ivan.

And I hate the American you are trying to project. It's not the one that existed for over 200 years. Not the one that our Fore Fathers envisioned and certainly not what the Constitution of the United States Embodies. I love that one that our FFs envisioned and the Constitution tries to continue.

So, Ivan, you can check your hate at the door. I have paid a much higher price for America than you have. And I knew people that paid even a higher price than I have. You get to preach your hate speech because WE paid the price to allow you to have that freedom. It's a shame you squander that cost so readily.

You lie. Every single thing you say is a lie.

The America our Founding Fathers gave to us was a nation of individual liberties. That's the America I support.

But you hate that. You want to eliminate freedoms because you think you know better than everyone what they need. And you think that what everyone needs is to be ruled by leftists.

When that doesn't happen -- and it won't -- are you going to pick up a weapon and get your hands dirty, Comrade? Are you going to put your life where your big fat ego is?

No. You'll do like you've always done: You'll sit on your couch, bitching on the internet that it's not faaaaaair that people won't do like you tell them, wishing you were a man.

Boy, you're destined to go through life bitter and disappointed. No one's going to hand you what you think you deserve, and you're too big a ***** to get it yourself.

I invested 20+ years in the US Military. Sounds like you invested at least that many years watching Rush and Hannity. I will admit I do a lot of sitting these days but I earned that right. But I also earned your right to make a damned fool of yourself like you do. So keep making a damned fool of yourself so I'll know my investment was well spent.

 

[daveman]

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. When the time comes, and it will be soon, you will find out dramatically and fatally, otherwise. You see Comrade, most in the military take the oath they swore to defend the Constitution you so bitterly hate, seriously.

Tell me, Comrade, just how many years did you invest in the Military. And in what Country. I invested over 20 years in the United States Military. You always treat Career Veterans this poorly when they disagree with you? I am part of a small percentage of American Patriots and we each one have our own ideas and we don't have anyone dictating what those ideals are. They are our individual ideals. What you are demanding of us is that we toe the mark that YOU have set. If that's not totalitarian I don't know what is. Fascism can be a good thing like Franco had but you are pulling a 1939 Mussolini version and that was a sickness. No wonder you worship Rump.

20 years, USAF. You can put your VA card away now, Comrade.

 

[daveman]

Yeah, totalitarians throughout history thought their curtailments of individual liberties were within reason, too.

They usually got killed for their trouble.

And that is the reason Americans like me need to keep you Tyrannical Freaks honest.

You project your totalitarian wishes, Comrade. Why do you hate America? Is it because no one kisses your ass in the manner to which you believe you're entitled? Do you think you'll be given a seat on the Politburo?

Considering YOU support Rump who is just in LOVE with Putin and a couple of other not so nice characters, it appears YOU are the comrade in this discussion, Ivan.

And I hate the American you are trying to project. It's not the one that existed for over 200 years. Not the one that our Fore Fathers envisioned and certainly not what the Constitution of the United States Embodies. I love that one that our FFs envisioned and the Constitution tries to continue.

So, Ivan, you can check your hate at the door. I have paid a much higher price for America than you have. And I knew people that paid even a higher price than I have. You get to preach your hate speech because WE paid the price to allow you to have that freedom. It's a shame you squander that cost so readily.

You lie. Every single thing you say is a lie.

The America our Founding Fathers gave to us was a nation of individual liberties. That's the America I support.

But you hate that. You want to eliminate freedoms because you think you know better than everyone what they need. And you think that what everyone needs is to be ruled by leftists.

When that doesn't happen -- and it won't -- are you going to pick up a weapon and get your hands dirty, Comrade? Are you going to put your life where your big fat ego is?

No. You'll do like you've always done: You'll sit on your couch, bitching on the internet that it's not faaaaaair that people won't do like you tell them, wishing you were a man.

Boy, you're destined to go through life bitter and disappointed. No one's going to hand you what you think you deserve, and you're too big a ***** to get it yourself.

I invested 20+ years in the US Military. Sounds like you invested at least that many years watching Rush and Hannity. I will admit I do a lot of sitting these days but I earned that right. But I also earned your right to make a damned fool of yourself like you do. So keep making a damned fool of yourself so I'll know my investment was well spent.

20 years USAF, *****. I earned a lot, too -- including the right to call Commie bastards what they are.

 

[Desperado]

Not even close to being reasonable.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If the National Guard is used, they won't instigate the firing. But if fired on, they ARE professionals. And then don't complain when they return fire because that's just bitching.

They won't allow themselves to be fired upon. They won't threaten their families and friends. That's a Commie wet dream.

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

I know nothing about the military, even though I served 20 years in uniform?

You are such a dumbass.

Meanwhile, let's see what a VA National Guardsman has to say:

National Guardsman: "We will not comply" if ordered by Virginia governor to arrest police, confiscate guns

Eat shit, leftist totalitarian. The military does not support your bullshit.

LOL
Let’s see how far that one goes

Oh, look -- another leftist who wants to use government violence.

You guys have a very limited repertoire: Tax it, regulate it -- or kill it.

The way it will go down is, there will be no firing on Civilians. The State Police comes in and arrests the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs and hands them over to the State Prosecutors and Grand Juries. They are tried, removed from their offices. Then the new office holders take over the jobs. If the new office holders do the same thing, rinse, repeat as necessary. There are not shots fired.

Your blood lust is showing, Comrade.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And that is the reason Americans like me need to keep you Tyrannical Freaks honest.

You project your totalitarian wishes, Comrade. Why do you hate America? Is it because no one kisses your ass in the manner to which you believe you're entitled? Do you think you'll be given a seat on the Politburo?

Considering YOU support Rump who is just in LOVE with Putin and a couple of other not so nice characters, it appears YOU are the comrade in this discussion, Ivan.

And I hate the American you are trying to project. It's not the one that existed for over 200 years. Not the one that our Fore Fathers envisioned and certainly not what the Constitution of the United States Embodies. I love that one that our FFs envisioned and the Constitution tries to continue.

So, Ivan, you can check your hate at the door. I have paid a much higher price for America than you have. And I knew people that paid even a higher price than I have. You get to preach your hate speech because WE paid the price to allow you to have that freedom. It's a shame you squander that cost so readily.

You lie. Every single thing you say is a lie.

The America our Founding Fathers gave to us was a nation of individual liberties. That's the America I support.

But you hate that. You want to eliminate freedoms because you think you know better than everyone what they need. And you think that what everyone needs is to be ruled by leftists.

When that doesn't happen -- and it won't -- are you going to pick up a weapon and get your hands dirty, Comrade? Are you going to put your life where your big fat ego is?

No. You'll do like you've always done: You'll sit on your couch, bitching on the internet that it's not faaaaaair that people won't do like you tell them, wishing you were a man.

Boy, you're destined to go through life bitter and disappointed. No one's going to hand you what you think you deserve, and you're too big a ***** to get it yourself.

I invested 20+ years in the US Military. Sounds like you invested at least that many years watching Rush and Hannity. I will admit I do a lot of sitting these days but I earned that right. But I also earned your right to make a damned fool of yourself like you do. So keep making a damned fool of yourself so I'll know my investment was well spent.

20 years USAF, *****. I earned a lot, too -- including the right to call Commie bastards what they are.

Then you should know better.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. When the time comes, and it will be soon, you will find out dramatically and fatally, otherwise. You see Comrade, most in the military take the oath they swore to defend the Constitution you so bitterly hate, seriously.

Tell me, Comrade, just how many years did you invest in the Military. And in what Country. I invested over 20 years in the United States Military. You always treat Career Veterans this poorly when they disagree with you? I am part of a small percentage of American Patriots and we each one have our own ideas and we don't have anyone dictating what those ideals are. They are our individual ideals. What you are demanding of us is that we toe the mark that YOU have set. If that's not totalitarian I don't know what is. Fascism can be a good thing like Franco had but you are pulling a 1939 Mussolini version and that was a sickness. No wonder you worship Rump.

20 years, USAF. You can put your VA card away now, Comrade.

Again, if this were true, you should know better. If you ARE part of this very exclusive club, you should treat other Club Members much better than you do. Stop drinking the Orange Koolaid and rejoin our exclusive club and treat others in the club with more respect.

 

[rightwinger]

They won't allow themselves to be fired upon. They won't threaten their families and friends. That's a Commie wet dream.

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

I know nothing about the military, even though I served 20 years in uniform?

You are such a dumbass.

Meanwhile, let's see what a VA National Guardsman has to say:

National Guardsman: "We will not comply" if ordered by Virginia governor to arrest police, confiscate guns

Eat shit, leftist totalitarian. The military does not support your bullshit.

LOL
Let’s see how far that one goes

Oh, look -- another leftist who wants to use government violence.

You guys have a very limited repertoire: Tax it, regulate it -- or kill it.

The way it will go down is, there will be no firing on Civilians. The State Police comes in and arrests the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs and hands them over to the State Prosecutors and Grand Juries. They are tried, removed from their offices. Then the new office holders take over the jobs. If the new office holders do the same thing, rinse, repeat as necessary. There are not shots fired.

Your blood lust is showing, Comrade.

Nobody is going door to door confiscating guns
What will happen is certain guns and accessories will be declared illegal. If you choose to keep them and hide them, nobody will probably do anything. But if you try to take them to a shooting range, or out in the woods somewhere, or have them in your car, or try to sell them....

You will be arrested

 

[sparky]

You see comrade, I did not "set the mark" of the Constitution, the brilliant founders of this nation did.

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

Show where I support revocation or crippling of the bill or rights, as you support in this thread? You can't, you're lying.

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist.

The America our Founding Fathers gave to us was a nation of individual liberties. That's the America I support.

20 years USAF, *****. I earned a lot, too -- including the right to call Commie bastards what they are.

So where were all you folks when they passed the PA?

~S~

 

[sparky]

Nobody is going door to door confiscating guns

Not yet

What will happen is certain guns and accessories will be declared illegal.

long history of it already>

• Firearm case law in the United States
• Gun law in the United States
• Gun politics in the United States
• Uniform Firearms Act

~S~

 

[daveman]

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. When the time comes, and it will be soon, you will find out dramatically and fatally, otherwise. You see Comrade, most in the military take the oath they swore to defend the Constitution you so bitterly hate, seriously.

The Military won't assist either side. What they will do is protect the Constitution. I took an oath to do that 5 times and no one relieved me of that oath. What you demand is for me to do is to forgo that oath. Not going to happen. And I expect the Military won't either. So you can forget about your little "Revolution". Doing it will be criminal in action and the Military won't be involved in stopping it. It's going to be the Law Enforcement that puts and end to it.

Law enforcement in Virginia is indeed supporting the Constitution.

List of Second Amendment sanctuaries in Virginia and where it’s being discussed

Northam has threatened to use the Military against law enforcement to enforce his illegal and unconstitutional mandates.

I agree that the military will refuse to support Northam and the Communist party.

The National Guard has two functions. They are the Military when Federalized. But when they are not, they are an asset of the Governor. What the Governor can do is use them to maintain Peace. He can us his State Police for the heavy lifting with the National Guard present to ensure shots are not fired. But I suggest the locals not fire on the State Police. It could get very messy very quickly.

You got aroused when the ChiComs killed protesters in Tianamen Square, didn't you?

 

[LuckyDuck]

These are the new anti-gun laws that the Virginia Dimocrats are set to pass ASAP.

Here's the List of Bills Anti-Gunners Plan to Enact in Virginia - GunsAmerica Digest

The list from local news affiliate WSET:

• Legislation requiring background checks on all firearms sales and transactions. The bill mandates that any person selling, renting, trading, or transferring a firearm must first obtain the results of a background check before completing the transaction.
• Legislation banning dangerous weapons. This will include bans on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks and silencers.
• Legislation to reinstate Virginia’s successful law allowing only one handgun purchase within a 30-day period.
• Legislation requiring that lost and stolen firearms be reported to law enforcement within 24 hours.
• Legislation creating an Extreme Risk Protective Order, allowing law enforcement and the courts to temporarily separate a person from firearms if the person exhibits dangerous behavior that presents an immediate threat to self or others.
• Legislation prohibiting all individuals subject to final protective orders from possessing firearms. The bill expands Virginia law which
• prohibits individuals subject to final protective orders of family abuse from possessing firearms.
• Legislation enhancing the punishment for allowing access to loaded, unsecured firearm by a child from a Class 3 Misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony. The bill also raises the age of the child from 14 to 18.
• Legislation enabling localities to enact any firearms ordinances that are stricter than state law. This includes regulating firearm's in municipal buildings, libraries and at permitted events.

The reason the proposed Virginia Bills are not reasonable is because the Second Amendment was put in place so that your average citizens could form regulated militias that would be an effective deterrence to a tyrannical government whether foreign...or..."domestic." Thus, such weapons would be small arms that would be an actual deterrence. Semi-automatic firearms in the hands of millions of citizens would be such a deterrence.

 

[2aguy]

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States

Do you support the Constitution, or are you a mindless libtard

Communists in the house have abused power

refusing to obey the Constitution

totalitarian thug

Marxist dictatorship

~RJ~

A complete and accurate description of you Stalinists, wouldn't you agree.

Hey, just because you're waging civil war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under a brutal Marxist dictatorship is no reason to call you thugs, right?

Don't you mean the way you are waging war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under brutal Extreme Fascist Mussolini Dictatorship (circa 1939)?

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist. I know you won't read this but here is one of the best write ups I have ever seen by some very learned people.

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

Here is some bullet points. And you do full

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States

Do you support the Constitution, or are you a mindless libtard

Communists in the house have abused power

refusing to obey the Constitution

totalitarian thug

Marxist dictatorship

~RJ~

A complete and accurate description of you Stalinists, wouldn't you agree.

Hey, just because you're waging civil war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under a brutal Marxist dictatorship is no reason to call you thugs, right?

Don't you mean the way you are waging war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under brutal Extreme Fascist Mussolini Dictatorship (circa 1939)?

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

You really need to get an education. Here is a very good write up of what Fascism is .

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

I know you won't read it since it won't agree with your cornball way of thinking (And Rush doesn't want you to) so I will just add a few bullet points of what it takes to be a Fascist. This is from Paxton's "The Five Stages of Fascism" dated 1998 and also from his book 2005 "The Anatomy of Fascism".

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

Looks s to me it sums up the Party of the Rump pretty well.

Moron...fascists are left wing, always have been....

Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie.
Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners.

Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.)
Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically.

In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace.Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
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Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

The Nazis were leftists. This statement is blasphemy to the academic-media complex, since everyone knows the Nazis were degenerate right-wingers fueled by toxic capitalism and racism. But evidence Adolf Hitler’s gang were men of the left, while debatable, is compelling.

The dispute on Nazi origins resurfaced through the confluence of brawling alt-right and antifa fringe movements and recent alternative histories by Dinesh D’Souza and others. The vitriol and lack of candor it produces from supposedly fact-driven academics and media is disturbing, if unsurprising. They stifle dissent on touchy subjects to maintain their narrative and enforce cultural hegemony.


However uncomfortable to opinion shapers, alternative views of the Third Reich exist and were written by the finest minds of their time. Opinions from the period perhaps carry more weight because they are unburdened by the aftermath of the uniquely heinous Nazi crimes.

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Also, Adolf Hitler Loved Karl Marx
It wasn’t only theoretical. Hitler repeatedly praised Marx privately, stating he had “learned a great deal from Marxism.” The trouble with the Weimar Republic, he said, was that its politicians “had never even read Marx.” He also stated his differences with communists were that they were intellectual types passing out pamphlets, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.”
It wasn’t just privately that Hitler’s fealty for Marx surfaced. In “Mein Kampf,” he states that without his racial insights National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground.” Nor did Hitler eschew this sentiment once reaching power. As late as 1941, with the war in bloom, he stated “basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same” in a speech published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs.
Nazi propaganda minister and resident intellectual Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary that the Nazis would install “real socialism” after Russia’s defeat in the East. And Hitler favorite Albert Speer, the Nazi armaments minister whose memoir became an international bestseller, wrote that Hitler viewed Joseph Stalin as a kindred spirit, ensuring his prisoner of war son received good treatment, and even talked of keeping Stalin in power in a puppet government after Germany’s eventual triumph. His views on Great Britain’s Winston Churchill and the United States’s Franklin Delano Roosevelt were decidedly less kind.
Nazi and Communist Hatred of Each Other Was Brotherly
Despite this, there’s a persistent claim that Nazis and communists hated each other, and mention that the Nazis persecuted socialists and oppressed trade unions. These things are true, but prove little. The camps’ hatred stemmed from familiarity. It was internecine, the nastiest kind.
The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls

 

[daveman]

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. When the time comes, and it will be soon, you will find out dramatically and fatally, otherwise. You see Comrade, most in the military take the oath they swore to defend the Constitution you so bitterly hate, seriously.

The Military won't assist either side. What they will do is protect the Constitution. I took an oath to do that 5 times and no one relieved me of that oath. What you demand is for me to do is to forgo that oath. Not going to happen. And I expect the Military won't either. So you can forget about your little "Revolution". Doing it will be criminal in action and the Military won't be involved in stopping it. It's going to be the Law Enforcement that puts and end to it.

Law enforcement in Virginia is indeed supporting the Constitution.

List of Second Amendment sanctuaries in Virginia and where it’s being discussed

Northam has threatened to use the Military against law enforcement to enforce his illegal and unconstitutional mandates.

I agree that the military will refuse to support Northam and the Communist party.

The National Guard has two functions. They are the Military when Federalized. But when they are not, they are an asset of the Governor. What the Governor can do is use them to maintain Peace. He can us his State Police for the heavy lifting with the National Guard present to ensure shots are not fired. But I suggest the locals not fire on the State Police. It could get very messy very quickly.

The State Police are not going to follow the illegal and unconstitutional orders of Comrade Northam.

I would suggest a VERY close inspection of Northams finances, look for payments from Beijing. The treasonous ****** is trying to spark a shooting war to weaken America for the benefit of China.

In the end, there won't be anyone with a gun willing to enforce Northam's fascism.

Hey, maybe Daryl can saddle up and go offer his services! Well, if he wasn't an armchair warrior, that is.

 

[daveman]

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States

Do you support the Constitution, or are you a mindless libtard

Communists in the house have abused power

refusing to obey the Constitution

totalitarian thug

Marxist dictatorship

~RJ~

A complete and accurate description of you Stalinists, wouldn't you agree.

Hey, just because you're waging civil war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under a brutal Marxist dictatorship is no reason to call you thugs, right?

Don't you mean the way you are waging war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under brutal Extreme Fascist Mussolini Dictatorship (circa 1939)?

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist. I know you won't read this but here is one of the best write ups I have ever seen by some very learned people.

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

Here is some bullet points. And you do full

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States

Do you support the Constitution, or are you a mindless libtard

Communists in the house have abused power

refusing to obey the Constitution

totalitarian thug

Marxist dictatorship

~RJ~

A complete and accurate description of you Stalinists, wouldn't you agree.

Hey, just because you're waging civil war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under a brutal Marxist dictatorship is no reason to call you thugs, right?

Don't you mean the way you are waging war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under brutal Extreme Fascist Mussolini Dictatorship (circa 1939)?

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

You really need to get an education. Here is a very good write up of what Fascism is .

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

I know you won't read it since it won't agree with your cornball way of thinking (And Rush doesn't want you to) so I will just add a few bullet points of what it takes to be a Fascist. This is from Paxton's "The Five Stages of Fascism" dated 1998 and also from his book 2005 "The Anatomy of Fascism".

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

Looks s to me it sums up the Party of the Rump pretty well.

But you're a Marxist, so you're automatically a dumbass.

 

[daveman]

A complete and accurate description of you Stalinists, wouldn't you agree.

Hey, just because you're waging civil war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under a brutal Marxist dictatorship is no reason to call you thugs, right?

Don't you mean the way you are waging war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under brutal Extreme Fascist Mussolini Dictatorship (circa 1939)?

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist. I know you won't read this but here is one of the best write ups I have ever seen by some very learned people.

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

Here is some bullet points. And you do full

A complete and accurate description of you Stalinists, wouldn't you agree.

Hey, just because you're waging civil war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under a brutal Marxist dictatorship is no reason to call you thugs, right?

Don't you mean the way you are waging war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under brutal Extreme Fascist Mussolini Dictatorship (circa 1939)?

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

You really need to get an education. Here is a very good write up of what Fascism is .

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

I know you won't read it since it won't agree with your cornball way of thinking (And Rush doesn't want you to) so I will just add a few bullet points of what it takes to be a Fascist. This is from Paxton's "The Five Stages of Fascism" dated 1998 and also from his book 2005 "The Anatomy of Fascism".

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

Looks s to me it sums up the Party of the Rump pretty well.

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

 

[rightwinger]

Nobody is going door to door confiscating guns

Not yet

What will happen is certain guns and accessories will be declared illegal.

long history of it already>

• Firearm case law in the United States
• Gun law in the United States
• Gun politics in the United States
• Uniform Firearms Act

~S~

Sensible gun control