Foreign influence promoting secular democracy. You know the power of the military is still there, just more in the shadows now.What kind of foreign influence?
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Foreign influence promoting secular democracy. You know the power of the military is still there, just more in the shadows now.What kind of foreign influence?
It's still there. I think asking your country to invade mine is beyond my intent and will just make things worse. He he he...Foreign influence promoting secular democracy. You know the power of the military is still there, just more in the shadows now.What kind of foreign influence?
You know, I'm in NZ, we have good relations with Indonesia but we don't try to pretend it's something it's not.
No it's not secular yet. However, as in US, religious influences are diminishing.Indonesian democracy is constitutionally based on secularism, guaranteeing equal rights to all of its citizens regardless of religion as well as ethnicity.
http://time.com/
Do you really think current events show a constitutionally based secular democracy?
No, I'd say the view here is that Indonesian affairs are for Indonesians to arrange. Besides, Ahok's 'blasphemy' is just an attempt by the more radical Muslim parties to apply political leverage. The vast majority of moderate Muslims could stop it dead in its tracks if they wanted. Again, it is an affair for Indonesians.Do you know anyone in NZ that may care about Ahok fate? Many of them are fellow christians. Anyone? I'd like to know them.
That statement confuses me a little.I don't care about religions at all. I am pretty much atheist or agnostic and I really don't care.
That statement confuses me a little.I don't care about religions at all. I am pretty much atheist or agnostic and I really don't care.
No, I'd say the view here is that Indonesian affairs are for Indonesians to arrange. Besides, Ahok's 'blasphemy' is just an attempt by the more radical Muslim parties to apply political leverage. The vast majority of moderate Muslims could stop it dead in its tracks if they wanted. Again, it is an affair for Indonesians.Do you know anyone in NZ that may care about Ahok fate? Many of them are fellow christians. Anyone? I'd like to know them.
Too, NZ really is quite secular.
I'd imagine the same perceived interest that had the CIA help murder thousands there.What finacial, or geopolitical gain is to be had by having my president, extend the will of my nation, on behalf of a person %95 of Americans have never heard of prior to this incident?
Long story.I'd imagine the same perceived interest that had the CIA help murder thousands there.What finacial, or geopolitical gain is to be had by having my president, extend the will of my nation, on behalf of a person %95 of Americans have never heard of prior to this incident?
could you expand on your allegation that the CIA murdered thousands of Indonesians?
There are movements to eliminate that blasphemy laws again. You're right. I will see what I can do to help that. It is Indonesian's problem. If there is any help, I would appreciate though.
I think it's toward the best interest of all people wanting to be free from tyranny of religion to support secularism everywhere.
They would listen.USMessageBoard i not only for discussions about the United States. If you have nothing to say about a topic it is better to say nothing.You hear about Ahok news? That means it's newsworthy enough for Americans. Maybe someone care.
What can we do to help him? Are you a fellow christian like Ahok? What could we do?
Regarding other nations bringing influence to bear on Indonesia's anti-blasphemy law and its interpretation in its courts, this would be ignored by the Indonesian authorities who listen to no-one.
US is a successful country. Many in Indonesia wants their country to be more like US. Your opinions matter.
The president is Ahok's friend. He need only a good reason.
They would listen.USMessageBoard i not only for discussions about the United States. If you have nothing to say about a topic it is better to say nothing.You hear about Ahok news? That means it's newsworthy enough for Americans. Maybe someone care.
What can we do to help him? Are you a fellow christian like Ahok? What could we do?
Regarding other nations bringing influence to bear on Indonesia's anti-blasphemy law and its interpretation in its courts, this would be ignored by the Indonesian authorities who listen to no-one.
US is a successful country. Many in Indonesia wants their country to be more like US. Your opinions matter.
The president is Ahok's friend. He need only a good reason.
Yes. If there were no international media there, Ahok would have already been tossed to the mobs and hacked to death. As it is, they're just going to wait until the eyes are elsewhere and go back to business as usual. As you can see form other posters in the thread, the commies are just fine with Muslims butchering Xians, and so are libertoons; just ignore the commies and Me First! whiners, they're just sociopaths.
They would listen.USMessageBoard i not only for discussions about the United States. If you have nothing to say about a topic it is better to say nothing.You hear about Ahok news? That means it's newsworthy enough for Americans. Maybe someone care.
What can we do to help him? Are you a fellow christian like Ahok? What could we do?
Regarding other nations bringing influence to bear on Indonesia's anti-blasphemy law and its interpretation in its courts, this would be ignored by the Indonesian authorities who listen to no-one.
US is a successful country. Many in Indonesia wants their country to be more like US. Your opinions matter.
The president is Ahok's friend. He need only a good reason.
Yes. If there were no international media there, Ahok would have already been tossed to the mobs and hacked to death. As it is, they're just going to wait until the eyes are elsewhere and go back to business as usual. As you can see form other posters in the thread, the commies are just fine with Muslims butchering Xians, and so are libertoons; just ignore the commies and Me First! whiners, they're just sociopaths.
from past experience----it is important to keep the name AHOK----in the news---
to avoid the usual mutilation murder that the friends of muhummad favor
They would listen.USMessageBoard i not only for discussions about the United States. If you have nothing to say about a topic it is better to say nothing.You hear about Ahok news? That means it's newsworthy enough for Americans. Maybe someone care.
What can we do to help him? Are you a fellow christian like Ahok? What could we do?
Regarding other nations bringing influence to bear on Indonesia's anti-blasphemy law and its interpretation in its courts, this would be ignored by the Indonesian authorities who listen to no-one.
US is a successful country. Many in Indonesia wants their country to be more like US. Your opinions matter.
The president is Ahok's friend. He need only a good reason.
Yes. If there were no international media there, Ahok would have already been tossed to the mobs and hacked to death. As it is, they're just going to wait until the eyes are elsewhere and go back to business as usual. As you can see form other posters in the thread, the commies are just fine with Muslims butchering Xians, and so are libertoons; just ignore the commies and Me First! whiners, they're just sociopaths.
from past experience----it is important to keep the name AHOK----in the news---
to avoid the usual mutilation murder that the friends of muhummad favor
Yes. He'll be killed as soon as the media wanders off in search of something else, like Justin Bieber's next new hair style or something.
That statement confuses me a little.I don't care about religions at all. I am pretty much atheist or agnostic and I really don't care.