Are the current Armed Forces force levels enough?

[Pumpkin Row]

why? do you think that's likely to happen?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

True if we did something that caused the entire rest of the planet to unite against us, the we'll likely have become an evil, evil country.

Not true, and even if it were, it doesn't mean the citizens of the United States should suffer for the government ticking off all the other countries.

That's dumb. So if you were a German during WW2 you would wish Germany was powerful enough to conquer the rest of the planet because your citizens shouldn't suffer just because your government is ticking off other countries?

I'd actually want to start a rebellion, since the government was oppressive. They are a different story, because they didn't treat other countries well, or their own people. Their people were already suffering.

 

[Hossfly]

The Defense Department has contingency plans and scenarios for any situation that could crop up. There are adequate amounts of armaments, equipment and reserves and a plan for a draft. . Factories are prepared to go on a war footing at a moments notice. Personnel and war equipment is located strategically around the world and units such as the 82d Airborne Division are a Quick Reaction Force. Currently the one big setback is funding and the House and Senate Armed Service Committees will solve that problem quickly to get Obama off his dead ass.
That's my analysis and opinion.
Any naysayers?

i dont know what you mean by saying the house and senate armed forces committees will solve any problem 'to get obama off his dead ass'

what does that even mean?

that said i think we spend too much on active duty personnel. we need to shift that money to build up guard and reserve units.

We have enough NG and Reserves. The Armed Service Committees are the most powerful committees in Congress and if we have to build up they will sway Congress. They always do.

 

[TheOldSchool]

No, our military is never enough, it should be the most powerful military in the world to such an extent that even if every other nation banded together, we could crush them without a thought.

why? do you think that's likely to happen?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

True if we did something that caused the entire rest of the planet to unite against us, the we'll likely have become an evil, evil country.

Bull feathers. Ever heard about Gog and Magog? Be prepared.

I prefer the Sword in the Stone.

 

[ogibillm]

What are your thoughts on the general force levels of the Army, Air force, Marines, and Navy? Are they enough? Too much? Too little? Composed of the right elements? Or no longer needed?

Geo political implications make this a complex issue.

No, our military is never enough, it should be the most powerful military in the world to such an extent that even if every other nation banded together, we could crush them without a thought.

why? do you think that's likely to happen?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

 

[ogibillm]

The Defense Department has contingency plans and scenarios for any situation that could crop up. There are adequate amounts of armaments, equipment and reserves and a plan for a draft. . Factories are prepared to go on a war footing at a moments notice. Personnel and war equipment is located strategically around the world and units such as the 82d Airborne Division are a Quick Reaction Force. Currently the one big setback is funding and the House and Senate Armed Service Committees will solve that problem quickly to get Obama off his dead ass.
That's my analysis and opinion.
Any naysayers?

i dont know what you mean by saying the house and senate armed forces committees will solve any problem 'to get obama off his dead ass'

what does that even mean?

that said i think we spend too much on active duty personnel. we need to shift that money to build up guard and reserve units.

We have enough NG and Reserves. The Armed Service Committees are the most powerful committees in Congress and if we have to build up they will sway Congress. They always do.

you misunderstood me. I'm saying we need to reduce the size of our active duty forces in favor of guard and reserve units where the roi is much higher

 

[Hossfly]

No, our military is never enough, it should be the most powerful military in the world to such an extent that even if every other nation banded together, we could crush them without a thought.

why? do you think that's likely to happen?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

I am talking about prophesy and what has been ordained. You need to put away your Liberal pipe dreams and face reality.

 

[Fenton Lum]

What are your thoughts on the general force levels of the Army, Air force, Marines, and Navy? Are they enough? Too much? Too little? Composed of the right elements? Or no longer needed?

Geo political implications make this a complex issue.

No, our military is never enough, it should be the most powerful military in the world to such an extent that even if every other nation banded together, we could crush them without a thought.

So tell me, how many military bases/installations do we have scattered across the globe in how many countries? And who else is even close to that?

Doesn't matter, it isn't enough to fend off a global assault by every other nation. Our military should continue to expand for as long as America exists, to ensure its continued existence.

So you don't even know then. Attempting to occupy every nation on the planet is the cause of many of america's ills. You should at least learn about what you attempt to comment on.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

No, our military is never enough, it should be the most powerful military in the world to such an extent that even if every other nation banded together, we could crush them without a thought.

why? do you think that's likely to happen?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

That's an assumption. In World War 1 and 2, we had nations, not all of them, unified against us, and they were clearly in the wrong.

 

[Fenton Lum]

why? do you think that's likely to happen?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

I am talking about prophesy and what has been ordained. You need to put away your Liberal pipe dreams and face reality.

Fuck your prophesy.

 

[Fenton Lum]

why? do you think that's likely to happen?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

That's an assumption. In World War 1 and 2, we had nations, not all of them, unified against us, and they were clearly in the wrong.

Everyone who ever went to war was convinced the other side was "wrong", but I'll give you this, WWII was america's last legit military engagement.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

What are your thoughts on the general force levels of the Army, Air force, Marines, and Navy? Are they enough? Too much? Too little? Composed of the right elements? Or no longer needed?

Geo political implications make this a complex issue.

No, our military is never enough, it should be the most powerful military in the world to such an extent that even if every other nation banded together, we could crush them without a thought.

So tell me, how many military bases/installations do we have scattered across the globe in how many countries? And who else is even close to that?

Doesn't matter, it isn't enough to fend off a global assault by every other nation. Our military should continue to expand for as long as America exists, to ensure its continued existence.

So you don't even know then. Attempting to occupy every nation on the planet is the cause of many of america's ills. You should at least learn about what you attempt to comment on.

It's not that I don't know, just that it's an entirely moot point, given that the discussion is our military size, and not where they are.

 

[ogibillm]

why? do you think that's likely to happen?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

I am talking about prophesy and what has been ordained. You need to put away your Liberal pipe dreams and face reality.

right... you make decisions based on prophecy. I'll stick with reality.

how does that prophecy end, btw? would the size of the military actually matter?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

That's an assumption. In World War 1 and 2, we had nations, not all of them, unified against us, and they were clearly in the wrong.

Everyone who ever went to war was convinced the other side was "wrong".

Exactly why your statement that America would have to be evil is inherently wrong. The perception among the other nations just has to be that America was wrong, or that they have something to gain from destroying us.

 

[ogibillm]

why? do you think that's likely to happen?

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

That's an assumption. In World War 1 and 2, we had nations, not all of them, unified against us, and they were clearly in the wrong.

we also had allies.

if we manage to do something never before done - unite the world in common cause against a single enemy - we wont have done it by being in the right

 

[Pumpkin Row]

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

That's an assumption. In World War 1 and 2, we had nations, not all of them, unified against us, and they were clearly in the wrong.

we also had allies.

if we manage to do something never before done - unite the world in common cause against a single enemy - we wont have done it by being in the right

As I said to the other guy, the general perception would be that we're in the wrong, not that we actually are. That or that they have something to gain by destroying us.

 

[ogibillm]

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

Then your sorry ass will be booted out before you can get your gear together.

what does that mean?
can you not see that if we managed to unite every nation on the planet in common cause against us we would clearly be in the wrong?

That's an assumption. In World War 1 and 2, we had nations, not all of them, unified against us, and they were clearly in the wrong.

we also had allies.

if we manage to do something never before done - unite the world in common cause against a single enemy - we wont have done it by being in the right

As I said to the other guy, the general perception would be that we're in the wrong, not that we actually are. That or that they have something to gain by destroying us.

either way no matter the size of the military a world in which the united states is at war with every other nation on the planet is not one i would want. defeat would be the better option

 

[Fenton Lum]

US Military Hegemony

 

[Fenton Lum]

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. We'd be pretty hosed if we needed such a powerful military and that actually did happen, wouldn't we?

if that ever happened i would not want the united states to win

True if we did something that caused the entire rest of the planet to unite against us, the we'll likely have become an evil, evil country.

Not true, and even if it were, it doesn't mean the citizens of the United States should suffer for the government ticking off all the other countries.

That's dumb. So if you were a German during WW2 you would wish Germany was powerful enough to conquer the rest of the planet because your citizens shouldn't suffer just because your government is ticking off other countries?

I'd actually want to start a rebellion, since the government was oppressive. They are a different story, because they didn't treat other countries well, or their own people. Their people were already suffering.

Sure, we have a long rich history of destablizing other nations to gain access to resources and markets, or to undermine the liberty and democracy of others when we don't like what they're up to. Things we'd wail about if done to us.

 

[Fenton Lum]

What are your thoughts on the general force levels of the Army, Air force, Marines, and Navy? Are they enough? Too much? Too little? Composed of the right elements? Or no longer needed?

Geo political implications make this a complex issue.

No, our military is never enough, it should be the most powerful military in the world to such an extent that even if every other nation banded together, we could crush them without a thought.

So tell me, how many military bases/installations do we have scattered across the globe in how many countries? And who else is even close to that?

Doesn't matter, it isn't enough to fend off a global assault by every other nation. Our military should continue to expand for as long as America exists, to ensure its continued existence.

So you don't even know then. Attempting to occupy every nation on the planet is the cause of many of america's ills. You should at least learn about what you attempt to comment on.

It's not that I don't know, just that it's an entirely moot point, given that the discussion is our military size, and not where they are.

No, it is that you don't know, and "size" is directly connected to how far and wide we are deployed darling, jeez.

 

[Hossfly]

The Defense Department has contingency plans and scenarios for any situation that could crop up. There are adequate amounts of armaments, equipment and reserves and a plan for a draft. . Factories are prepared to go on a war footing at a moments notice. Personnel and war equipment is located strategically around the world and units such as the 82d Airborne Division are a Quick Reaction Force. Currently the one big setback is funding and the House and Senate Armed Service Committees will solve that problem quickly to get Obama off his dead ass.
That's my analysis and opinion.
Any naysayers?

i dont know what you mean by saying the house and senate armed forces committees will solve any problem 'to get obama off his dead ass'

what does that even mean?

that said i think we spend too much on active duty personnel. we need to shift that money to build up guard and reserve units.

We have enough NG and Reserves. The Armed Service Committees are the most powerful committees in Congress and if we have to build up they will sway Congress. They always do.

you misunderstood me. I'm saying we need to reduce the size of our active duty forces in favor of guard and reserve units where the roi is much higher

They have been reduced already to pre-WWII levels and that was 75 years ago.