Are Tariffs A Good Idea?

[Lesh]

In a word

NO

 

[sealybobo]

I wish you understood the issue. but you aren't smart enough. go get your cult video and start yours

Just let me know when this benefits you and not Elon.

 

[Godboy]

So if Trump has 20% inflation but it comes down to historic norms by the end of the term, everyone will be happy?

Yep. That means the country was finally repaired. If conservatives have the country back on track, why in the world would they gamble on another disasterous democrat president? Democrats are nation destoyers now. No one wants that.

 

[Marener]

Yep. That means the country was finally repaired. If conservatives have the country back on track, why in the world would they gamble on another disasterous democrat president? Democrats are nation destoyers now. No one wants that.

So why wasn’t that the view of Biden’s presidency?

 

[jc456]

Just let me know when this benefits you and not Elon.

how does it benefit Musk? Teach me.

 

[jknowgood]

Opposite to you, I am kicking him in the balls. You are kissing his ass

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Lol, I think he is a great president that's all. I'm not the one that is obsessed with him. You're on here 24/7 creating forums on here. He broke you and that entertains me.

 

[Godboy]

So why wasn’t that the view of Biden’s presidency?

That IS the view of Biden's admin. What world do you live in?

 

[Marener]

That IS the view of Biden's admin. What world do you live in?

So you are happy with the Biden economic record. I’m not sure I heard that from you before.

 

[jc456]

So you are happy with the Biden economic record. I’m not sure I heard that from you before.

fk no. but you were. so it's actually you who is the hypocrite. You were fine with 7.50 a gallon gas prices. 5 dollar eggs. Never did you question why? You watched the stock market while americans watched grocery prices. And still today, you don't get that was one of three agenda items that made you lose.

 

[krichton]

A good meme can reflect a greater truth than a two page commentary in the NY Times.

It could also be the product of some mentally ill person who believes the earth is flat, and vaccines cause autism.

 

[krichton]

Yep. That means the country was finally repaired. If conservatives have the country back on track, why in the world would they gamble on another disasterous democrat president? Democrats are nation destoyers now. No one wants that.

How was the economy under Bush? How did our wars go in the middle east? Yes....it's democrats who are nation destroyers!!!!!!

 

[Luckyone]

It could also be the product of some mentally ill person who believes the earth is flat, and vaccines cause autism.

and you can't tell the difference by looking at the meme?

Is this a meme that reflects a mentally ill person?

or this one?

 

[krichton]

When we start pumping our own oil and becoming less energy-dependent on other nations, prices will drop here in the USA.

I guess you're still falling for Trump's fake promises. We already pump more oil than we ever have any time in our history. American companies aren't going to ruin their business model by extracting even more. They want demand to be high, not supply. They want to charge more, not less. The price of gas is not coming down just because you ask them nicely.

 

[krichton]

and you can't tell the difference by looking at the meme?

Is this a meme that reflects a mentally ill person?

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or this one?

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It may not be, or it could. The vast majority of memes I've seen do reflect very unstable views of the world or reality in general, and they are endless, not like the occasional left wing ones. I take neither seriously.

 

[Godboy]

So you are happy with the Biden economic record. I’m not sure I heard that from you before.

No, the economy sucks and it may even get worse,unless Trump pulls a rabbit out of his hat, which he might.

 

[MagicMike]

When we start pumping our own oil and becoming less energy-dependent on other nations, prices will drop here in the USA.

Nice try simp but that narrative sucks. Domestic oil production under the last administration was at record highs.
But by all means keep parroting their false narrative and stay simple.

U.S. oil producers pumped record high levels of crude last week, according to government data released Wednesday, extending the upswing in output that has made the United States the biggest oil and gas producer in history.

The new record contrasts with claims made by GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, who has sought to cast the Biden administration’s policies as calamitous for the oil and gas industry. Trump has claimed that President Joe Biden has undermined the energy achievements maade during his term in office.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/07/us-oil-output-august-record-00173065

 

[Marener]

No, the economy sucks and it may even get worse,unless Trump pulls a rabbit out of his hat, which he might.

Tell me what sucks about the economy. Objectively.

 

[Godboy]

Tell me what sucks about the economy. Objectively.

Inflation caused by Biden multi trillion dollar spending spree, combined with his terrible energy policies, it left us in terrible shape, and thats AFTER leftwing states kept everything shut down for WAAAY too long.

 

[Marener]

Inflation caused by Biden multi trillion dollar spending spree, combined with his terrible energy policies, it left us in terrible shape, and thats AFTER leftwing states kept everything shut down for WAAAY too long.

But you said that running 20% inflation was no big deal as long as it came down to historic norms, which is what happened under Biden.

Remember? Your whole point is that it only matters how the economy is doing at the END of the term.

 

[Robert W]

For the most part, I'm a Trump supporter and am generally happy with the direction he's taking the country. It's too soon to know what the long term effects of his executive orders and policies will be but I'm very happy with DOGE and very happy with sending illegals back to their crapholes.

By the same token, I believe in transparency and calling a spade a spade. I started out by saying that "for the most part" I'm happy with Trump but everyone has their flaws and/or weaknesses. I'm still on the fence where Tariffs are concerned. I sell welding supplies, gases, and equipment for a living. I just received this message from Lincoln Electric (a major manufacturer of welding machines and filler metals):

"February 12, 2025

Dear Valued Customer,
Thank you for your continued business and support of Lincoln Electric. We advised you in our December 5th, 2024 letter that we would continue to monitor the effects of potential tariffs and, if necessary, we would implement tariff-related price adjustments with short notice. As you are aware, the U.S. Government imposed additional tariffs on China that went into effect on February 4, 2025.
These short-notice tariff-related increases have had a dramatic impact on the input cost of many Lincoln Electric products. As a result, we will be implementing price increases on affected Lincoln Electric products. The affected product categories at this time are helmets, accessories, expendables and parts. Pricing for these products will increase by ten percent (10%).
In addition, effective February 12, 2025, the price for all Lincoln Electric products, including consumables and equipment, will be the price at the time of shipment. The prices on Lincoln Electric Order Acknowledgements dated on or after February 12, 2025, will be subject to change until the date of shipment.
We are working to mitigate changes while ensuring we continue to provide uninterrupted service and support to you and your customers. We will continue to monitor the volatile tariff dynamics closely and implement additional changes as necessary.
Distributor-specific price files will be available via the On-Demand Price File request tool on your 'My Lincoln' account by Thursday, February 13th, 2025.
Thank you for your continued support and understanding during these turbulent times. If you have any questions, please reach out to your local Lincoln representative.
Sincerely,

Albert L. Castillo
Vice President - Sales & Marketing, Americas"

Of course, this will translate into higher prices for my customers. A 5% or 10% increase on a $5000.00 or $12,000.00 or $20,000.00 welding machine is pretty significant. So I'm not too sure tariffs are going to be a good idea. At least not from my perspective.

When I owned my machine shop, I owned Lincoln Welding machines and bought supplies from American sellers. It was not a daily purchase. While at that time I would also cringe at such letters, it is up to those being tariffed to try to keep prices low enough not to lose customers. China has to step up or be risking shutting down.