Are Republican's claims valid that Trump's indictment is 'political'?

[Independentthinker]

Since hush money payments are not illegal, I have a hard time believing that is the charge.

That sounds pretty fucking crazy to me.

Totally and absolutely agree with you. Will you change your tune once you find out that this is indeed the case? Will you then realize what TDS is?

 

[Billiejeens]

I don't know what he was investigating.

Since hush money payments are not illegal, I have a hard time believing that is the charge.

I know you don't know the charge(s) but do you really think they went through all this to ultimately charge him with something legal?

That sounds pretty fucking crazy to me.

You might literally be the most confused mother fucker on the planet.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Totally and absolutely agree with you. Will you change your tune once you find out that this is indeed the case? Will you then realize what TDS is?

Of course but I feel that is highly unlikely. Who the hell would support charges for a legal action?

Will you change your tune when the indictment reveals different charges or will you move the goalposts and parrot the next right wing talking point?

 

[scruffy]

So Trump paid some hush money.

BFD. Yawn.

That is NOTHING compared to what the asinine Democrats do on a DAILY basis.

The fucking president is getting paid by the Chinese, his son smokes crack with underage hookers, the DNC funded racial riots for an entire summer, and now they're illegally charging peoples' credit cards to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars a DAY.

And you want me to care about some dumb hooker?

Come on leftards, grow a fucking brain.

Or is that too much to ask?

Democrats are CORRUPT. IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS.

 

[LibertyKid]

Say that was a very nice pole vault over to Slick Willie. You cleared the bar by about a foot.

I try! I think it might be a personal best

 

[Independentthinker]

Of course but I feel that is highly unlikely. Who the hell would support charges for a legal action?

Will you change your tune when the indictment reveals different charges or will you move the goalposts and parrot the next right wing talking point?

From everything I have read from all sides, Bragg was investigating hush money payments Trump made to Stormy Daniels, with the person who made those payments, Michael Cohen, as Bragg's star witness. I would have an open mind regarding other stuff but I find that highly unlikely.

 

[Rumpole]

Law professors said that the Trump prosecution is total bullshit.

I can point to other law professors who express an opposite point of view.

So yes, the Trump prosecution is "Banana Republic Law" .

All we need to be like the Philippines is to have Trump shot at the NY airport like Marcos.

As I've posted in another thread:

Is France a banana republic?

France: In 2018, former French President Nicolas Sarkozy was indicted on charges of corruption and influence peddling. He is accused of accepting millions of euros in illegal campaign funding from the regime of late Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

Is Italy a banana republic?

Italy: In 2011, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was indicted on charges of paying an underage prostitute and abuse of power. He was ultimately acquitted of the charges, but he has faced several other legal challenges throughout his career.

Is Israel a banana republic?

Israel: In 2019, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was indicted on charges of bribery, fraud, and breach of trust. He is accused of accepting gifts from wealthy businessmen and offering political favors in exchange for positive news coverage.

Is Iceland a banana republic?

Iceland: In 2016, Iceland's Prime Minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson resigned after the Panama Papers revealed that he and his wife had set up a company in an offshore tax haven. He was later indicted for tax evasion.

Is Spain a banana republic?

Spain: In 2018, Spain's Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy was ousted in a no-confidence vote following a corruption scandal involving his Popular Party. Several members of his party were indicted on charges of embezzlement, fraud, and money laundering.

In other words, indicting a Prime Minister or President among the first world countries, AKA 'western developed nations',of which the US is a member, is NOT unusual.

You see, these countries believe in the concept that 'no one is above the law' and if we do not, then rule of law is dead, and if rule of law is dead, that is when we become a third world country. We only become a third world country when the rule of law fails, and the rule of men supplants it.

 

[Rumpole]

Absolutely, without question. Bragg doesn't even have jurisdiction in a federal campaign finance law violation case, not to mention which is a civil thing and not criminal. States don't indict people over federal campaign finance law violations and even the federal government doesn't arrest people over them. It's nothing but TDS abuse of power.

As I understand it, the charges in the indictment are potential violations of NY State criminal Law. A federal indictment of violation of federal campaign law was one of the charges in the Michael Cohen indictment, for which Cohen testified that his act was done at the direction of, and the benefit for 'individual-1', who, it has been revealed, is Donald J. Trump. By that fact, Donald Trump was an unindicted co-conspirator.

As for the tired trope known as TDS, allow me to disabuse you of that particular myth:

The term "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS) is a politically charged phrase that has been used by those on the right to dismiss criticism of former President Donald Trump or his policies by labeling it as irrational or emotional. It is not a valid scientific principle because it lacks empirical evidence and is not based on any rigorous research or study. Instead, it is a term used primarily for political rhetoric and propaganda.

The fact that TDS has meaning only to those on the right side of the political spectrum is incontrovertible evidence that it is not a soft or hard scientific theory or data point, and therefore it suggests that it is a thought-terminating cliché. Thought-terminating clichés are phrases, expressions, or slogans that are used to dismiss or shut down critical thinking or debate by appealing to emotions, prejudices, or preconceptions. They are often repeated by demagogues, politicians, or other figures of authority to gain support and loyalty from their followers.

The use of thought-terminating clichés is a propaganda technique used by demagogues to manipulate public opinion and suppress dissent. By using these clichés repeatedly, demagogues are able to establish their authority and credibility, while at the same time silencing opposition and preventing critical thinking. This can be especially damaging in political discourse, where open and honest debate is essential for a healthy democracy.

In conclusion, the term TDS is not a valid scientific principle but a thought-terminating cliché used as a propaganda tool by those on the right to shut down critical thinking and suppress dissent. It is important to recognize and resist the use of such clichés in political discourse to ensure that meaningful and productive debate can take place.

For more information, see:

You have been warned: "Trump Derangement Syndrome" will be a cudgel used to silence his critics

Right-wingers who claim that principled opposition to Trump is "deranged" are avoiding America's true insanity

www.salon.com

Basic facts should encourage people of conscience to resist Donald Trump. This is not derangement but rational and reasonable behavior. As I have explained numerous times, Donald Trump is a fascist authoritarian. He has promised to undermine basic tenets of American democracy, such as freedom of the press. Trump has also encouraged violence against his political foes. He has surrounded himself with political advisors who are affiliated with the most extreme and dangerous right-wing elements in American politics (and, increasingly, global politics), such as white supremacists and white nationalists. The American intelligence community has concluded that Russian spies and other agents, acting in support of Donald Trump's candidacy, actively interfered with the 2016 presidential election.

 

[BackAgain]

I suggest that such claims by Republicans, itself, is political. It certainly gives Republicans, many of whom, privately, have expressed their dislike of Trump, while publically either being indifferent or approving of him, the claims of 'political' give Republicans a political advantage if they succeed in convincing a large swath of the electorate that the claim is true.

But is it true? Let's take a deep dive (and please, those with short attention spans are not invited).

The recent indictment of former President Donald Trump on over 30 counts of crimes has brought to light once again the problematic claim of Republicans that this is a political move. This claim conveniently ignores the numerous examples of hypocrisy in their own actions, such as their investigations into Hunter Biden and current President Joe Biden, both of whom have not been indicted for any crimes in which there is one salient and glaring fact: Rep. Comer's investigation, when assigned to the task, his committee was investigating Jared Kushner, which he stalled in favor of investigating Hunter Biden (but the target of the investigation, as admitted by Comer, is Joe Biden), and to date, their 'memo' does not actually prove any illegal activity by the 'Biden family', a characterization which, though intended to imply, does not include include Joe Biden

Moreover, this claim also overlooks the fact that Trump's own family members, including Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, have benefited from their connections to foreign officials, which could potentially constitute conflicts of interest and unethical behavior.

Let us first examine the claims made by Republicans that Trump's indictment is politically motivated. While it is true that politics can play a role in legal proceedings, it is important to note that the evidence presented against Trump is extensive and has been gathered over several years by multiple investigators. It is also worth mentioning that the indictments were issued by the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, which is not a partisan entity and has a long history of impartiality.

Contrast this with the Republican-led investigations into Hunter Biden, who is not, nor has he ever been, a public official. These investigations seem to have been motivated purely by political gain and have not resulted in any criminal charges being brought against Biden. It is also worth noting that Joe Biden himself has not been indicted for any crimes, despite the intense scrutiny he has faced from Republicans.

However, the hypocrisy of the Republicans does not end there. Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, held a senior advisory position in the White House and reportedly received $2 billion from Mohammed Bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. This payment was allegedly made in exchange for soft treatment by the Trump White House, and Bin Salman himself is suspected of involvement in the brutal murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Similarly, Ivanka Trump also held a senior advisory position in the White House and received accelerated trademarks worth millions from China. These trademarks allowed her to sell products to the tune of millions in profits while her father was negotiating with China on a trade deal.

It is difficult to argue that these actions by Kushner and Ivanka Trump do not constitute conflicts of interest and potentially unethical behavior. Yet, Republicans have largely ignored these examples of possible corruption within their own party.

In conclusion, the Republican claim that Trump's indictment is politically motivated is problematic and ignores the extensive evidence gathered against him. Moreover, it highlights the hypocrisy of their investigations into Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, who have not been indicted for any crimes given that no evidence has ever been forthcoming (though plenty of implication and innuendo), while ignoring the potential conflicts of interest and unethical behavior of their own party members, such as Kushner and Ivanka Trump. It is important for us to hold all public officials, regardless of party affiliation, accountable for their actions and to demand transparency and integrity in our political system.

Does silly fat Rump ^ get paid by the word?

Are Republican's claims valid that Trump's indictment is 'political'?​

Again, short answer: yes. Obviously.

 

[BluesLegend]

I don't know what he was investigating.

Since hush money payments are not illegal, I have a hard time believing that is the charge.

It's some legally twisted pretzel of campaign finance violations they routinely ignore when Dems do it. They pay a fine and that's the end of it. Hence most of the DA's office were against this clown indicting Trump.

If Dems wanted to piss off the right and get obliterated in 2024 this is how you would do it.

 

[Marener]

Law professors said that the Trump prosecution is total bullshit.

So yes, the Trump prosecution is "Banana Republic Law" .

All we need to be like the Philippines is to have Trump shot at the NY airport like Marcos.

Since those law professors haven’t seen the case that the AG presented, they really are just talking out their ass.

You see, some law professors (two very specifically) just love being on TV. These law professors have also discovered that saying certain things gets them on certain TV shows.

It’s not that complicated. You just have to exercise some independent thought.

 

[kyzr]

I can point to other law professors who express an opposite point of view.

As I've posted in another thread:

Is France a banana republic?

France: In 2018, former French President Nicolas Sarkozy was indicted on charges of corruption and influence peddling. He is accused of accepting millions of euros in illegal campaign funding from the regime of late Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

Is Italy a banana republic?

Italy: In 2011, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was indicted on charges of paying an underage prostitute and abuse of power. He was ultimately acquitted of the charges, but he has faced several other legal challenges throughout his career.

Is Israel a banana republic?

Israel: In 2019, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was indicted on charges of bribery, fraud, and breach of trust. He is accused of accepting gifts from wealthy businessmen and offering political favors in exchange for positive news coverage.

Is Iceland a banana republic?

Iceland: In 2016, Iceland's Prime Minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson resigned after the Panama Papers revealed that he and his wife had set up a company in an offshore tax haven. He was later indicted for tax evasion.

Is Spain a banana republic?

Spain: In 2018, Spain's Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy was ousted in a no-confidence vote following a corruption scandal involving his Popular Party. Several members of his party were indicted on charges of embezzlement, fraud, and money laundering.

In other words, indicting a Prime Minister or President among the first world countries, AKA 'western developed nations',of which the US is a member, is NOT unusual.

You see, these countries believe in the concept that 'no one is above the law' and if we do not, then rule of law is dead, and if rule of law is dead, that is when we become a third world country. We only become a third world country when the rule of law fails, and the rule of men supplants it.

1. We're discussing the Bragg indictment of Trump.
Georgetown Law Professor Jonathan Turley said that the indictment is bullshit.

The Trump Indictment: Making History in the Worst Possible Way

Below is my column in Fox.com on the Trump indictment. There is a report of 34 counts against former President Donald Trump, which may be count stacking based on individual payments or documents. W…

jonathanturley.org

2. Harvard Law professor Dershowitz also said the Bragg indictment is prosecutorial abuse, and Bragg should lose his Law License.

Alan Dershowitz Claims Alvin Bragg Could Be Disbarred if He Uses Michael Cohen’s Testimony to Help Secure a Trump Indictment

Alan Dershowitz warned that Alvin Bragg's law license might be at stake if the Manhattan district attorney does go ahead with indicting Donald Trump.

www.mediaite.com

3. Not even discussing the FBI/DOJ covering up for the Bidens.

 

[Billiejeens]

As I understand it, the charges in the indictment are potential violations of NY State criminal Law. A federal indictment of violation of federal campaign law was one of the charges in the Michael Cohen indictment, for which Cohen testified that his act was done at the direction of, and the benefit for 'individual-1', who, it has been revealed, is Donald J. Trump. By that fact, Donald Trump was an unindicted co-conspirator.

As for the tired trope known as TDS, allow me to disabuse you of that particular myth:

The term "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS) is a politically charged phrase that has been used by those on the right to dismiss criticism of former President Donald Trump or his policies by labeling it as irrational or emotional. It is not a valid scientific principle because it lacks empirical evidence and is not based on any rigorous research or study. Instead, it is a term used primarily for political rhetoric and propaganda.

The fact that TDS has meaning only to those on the right side of the political spectrum is incontrovertible evidence that it is not a soft or hard scientific theory or data point, and therefore it suggests that it is a thought-terminating cliché. Thought-terminating clichés are phrases, expressions, or slogans that are used to dismiss or shut down critical thinking or debate by appealing to emotions, prejudices, or preconceptions. They are often repeated by demagogues, politicians, or other figures of authority to gain support and loyalty from their followers.

The use of thought-terminating clichés is a propaganda technique used by demagogues to manipulate public opinion and suppress dissent. By using these clichés repeatedly, demagogues are able to establish their authority and credibility, while at the same time silencing opposition and preventing critical thinking. This can be especially damaging in political discourse, where open and honest debate is essential for a healthy democracy.

In conclusion, the term TDS is not a valid scientific principle but a thought-terminating cliché used as a propaganda tool by those on the right to shut down critical thinking and suppress dissent. It is important to recognize and resist the use of such clichés in political discourse to ensure that meaningful and productive debate can take place.

For more information, see:

You have been warned: "Trump Derangement Syndrome" will be a cudgel used to silence his critics

Right-wingers who claim that principled opposition to Trump is "deranged" are avoiding America's true insanity

www.salon.com

Basic facts should encourage people of conscience to resist Donald Trump. This is not derangement but rational and reasonable behavior. As I have explained numerous times, Donald Trump is a fascist authoritarian. He has promised to undermine basic tenets of American democracy, such as freedom of the press. Trump has also encouraged violence against his political foes. He has surrounded himself with political advisors who are affiliated with the most extreme and dangerous right-wing elements in American politics (and, increasingly, global politics), such as white supremacists and white nationalists. The American intelligence community has concluded that Russian spies and other agents, acting in support of Donald Trump's candidacy, actively interfered with the 2016 presidential election.

Are you trying to be a fucking retard or does it just come naturally?

 

[Independentthinker]

As I understand it, the charges in the indictment are potential violations of NY State criminal Law. A federal indictment of violation of federal campaign law was one of the charges in the Michael Cohen indictment, for which Cohen testified that his act was done at the direction of, and the benefit for 'individual-1', who, it has been revealed, is Donald J. Trump. By that fact, Donald Trump was an unindicted co-conspirator.

As for the tired trope known as TDS, allow me to disabuse you of that particular myth:

The term "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS) is a politically charged phrase that has been used by those on the right to dismiss criticism of former President Donald Trump or his policies by labeling it as irrational or emotional. It is not a valid scientific principle because it lacks empirical evidence and is not based on any rigorous research or study. Instead, it is a term used primarily for political rhetoric and propaganda.

The fact that TDS has meaning only to those on the right side of the political spectrum is incontrovertible evidence that it is not a soft or hard scientific theory or data point, and therefore it suggests that it is a thought-terminating cliché. Thought-terminating clichés are phrases, expressions, or slogans that are used to dismiss or shut down critical thinking or debate by appealing to emotions, prejudices, or preconceptions. They are often repeated by demagogues, politicians, or other figures of authority to gain support and loyalty from their followers.

The use of thought-terminating clichés is a propaganda technique used by demagogues to manipulate public opinion and suppress dissent. By using these clichés repeatedly, demagogues are able to establish their authority and credibility, while at the same time silencing opposition and preventing critical thinking. This can be especially damaging in political discourse, where open and honest debate is essential for a healthy democracy.

In conclusion, the term TDS is not a valid scientific principle but a thought-terminating cliché used as a propaganda tool by those on the right to shut down critical thinking and suppress dissent. It is important to recognize and resist the use of such clichés in political discourse to ensure that meaningful and productive debate can take place.

For more information, see:

You have been warned: "Trump Derangement Syndrome" will be a cudgel used to silence his critics

Right-wingers who claim that principled opposition to Trump is "deranged" are avoiding America's true insanity

www.salon.com

Basic facts should encourage people of conscience to resist Donald Trump. This is not derangement but rational and reasonable behavior. As I have explained numerous times, Donald Trump is a fascist authoritarian. He has promised to undermine basic tenets of American democracy, such as freedom of the press. Trump has also encouraged violence against his political foes. He has surrounded himself with political advisors who are affiliated with the most extreme and dangerous right-wing elements in American politics (and, increasingly, global politics), such as white supremacists and white nationalists. The American intelligence community has concluded that Russian spies and other agents, acting in support of Donald Trump's candidacy, actively interfered with the 2016 presidential election.

In your very first sentence you used the word "potential". That's all the left has ever had against Trump for six years now, woulda, coulda, shoulda, might have's maybe's, wanted to's, and now potentials.

 

[Winco]

Can we stop pretending......

We Can.....stop idolizing this Fraud.

 

[Billiejeens]

We Can.....stop idolizing this Fraud.View attachment 771483View attachment 771484

You idiots are the ones that idolize people.
We appreciate hard work and success.

 

[2aguy]

We Can.....stop idolizing this Fraud.View attachment 771483View attachment 771484

Either you are naive, and don't understand where this ends....or you are evil, and want to get where this ends even faster....

Mass graves are the end game of leftists around the world.

 

[scruffy]

You idiots are the ones that idolize people.
We appreciate hard work and success.

Righties are focused on results.

It's the leftards who care about personalities.

 

[2aguy]

Righties are focused on results.

It's the leftards who care about personalities.

No...the left cares about results too...but the results they want are slavery, mass murder and destruction......

 

[Billiejeens]

Righties are focused on results.

It's the leftards who care about personalities.

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