Are gag orders constitutional?

[Care4all]

No, they were taken away. You are innocent until proven guilty.

Yes, but once arrested for a crime, you can be held in prison until the trial, or you can be released with restriction terms applied.....like you can't travel, you can't commit another crime however small, you can't taint a jury pool, you can't threaten or try to intimidate witnesses etc etc etc. or you can be put in jail to await your trial and your bail can be revoked.

It is simply a FACT that you lose certain rights temporarily, until a trial verdict. SC already decided constitutionality with a few cases giving precedent.

 

[konradv]

Konradv and golfing gator gag each other all the time!

You, TNHarley snd Trump are gags.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

But you dont RELINQUISH your rights.

what word would you use then for the "temporary agreement to give up some rights" when released on bail?

 

[TNHarley]

Yes, but once arrested for a crime, you can be held in prison until the trial, or you can be released with restriction terms applied.....like you can't travel, you can't commit another crime however small, you can't taint a jury pool, you can't threaten or try to intimidate witnesses etc etc etc. or you can be put in jail to await your trial and your bail can be revoked.

It is simply a FACT that you lose certain rights temporarily, until a trial verdict. SC already decided constitutionality with a few cases giving precedent.

Yes, I know that is the shitty process. But those rights are not relinquished. Use words correctly.

 

[TNHarley]

You, TNHarley snd Trump are gags.

You cant even insult someone without TDS shitting all over the place

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yes, I know that is the shitty process. But those rights are not relinquished. Use words correctly.

what word would you use then for the "temporary agreement to give up some rights" when released on bail?

 

[TNHarley]

what word would you use then for the "temporary agreement to give up some rights" when released on bail?

Your rights were already taken away when you got arrested. That is the part i was commenting on. The very first part of her post.

 

[konradv]

He just goes along with whatever the govt says and does.

You get the opportunity for bail.. The thing MAGA always complains about, when a black guy gets it!

 

[miketx]

You, TNHarley snd Trump are gags.

I see trump is alive and well in your tiny head space.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Your rights were already taken away when you got arrested.

Is that Constitutional?

 

[miketx]

You get the opportunity for bail.. The thing MAGA always complains about, when a black guy gets it!

You don't always get bail, depending on the crime.

 

[Care4all]

Yes, I know that is the shitty process. But those rights are not relinquished. Use words correctly.

What would you use? Maybe renounce?

 

[TNHarley]

Is that Constitutional?

How could it be? You havent been convicted of anything

 

[TNHarley]

What would you use? Maybe renounce?

taken away or stolen is what I would use.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How could it be? You havent been convicted of anything

Yet the Constitution allows for bail, which means that it also allows for you to be locked up for the mere act of being charged with a crime, before you are convicted of anything.

 

[konradv]

You don't always get bail, depending on the crime.

As is prudent in some cases. What’s your point?

 

[j-mac]

It is my opinion that a gag order is just a lesser version of pre-trail confinement.

There, now you can answer

Ok, well then, it should be noted that the loss of travel of someone indicted for a criminal offense, could pose a flight risk, which is why their right to travel could be curtailed...Just as a gag order is usually used to protect tainting of a potential jury.

However, in Donald Trump's case, this gag order by this judge is because SHE doesn't like Trump's rhetoric surrounding this sham of a prosecution...So, IMHO, she is trying everything she can to stack the deck against Trump...Including gaging his right to free speech...

 

[Care4all]

Yes, I know that is the shitty process. But those rights are not relinquished. Use words correctly.

Where did I use the word RELINQUISH in my post that you answered?

Silly to be hung up on a word.....

 

[konradv]

Your rights were already taken away when you got arrested. That is the part i was commenting on. The very first part of her post.

There is the concept of probable cause. Society has the right to protect itself from obvious instances of crime, even in the abscence of a finsl judgment.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ok, well then, it should be noted that the loss of travel of someone indicted for a criminal offense, could pose a flight risk, which is why their right to travel could be curtailed...Just as a gag order is usually used to protect tainting of a potential jury.

Correct. So we both seem to agree that a gag order is constitutional.

However, in Donald Trump's case, this gag order by this judge is because SHE doesn't like Trump's rhetoric surrounding this sham of a prosecution...So, IMHO, she is trying everything she can to stack the deck against Trump...Including gaging his right to free speech...

This is not about Trump, in fact TN will say mean things to you if you bring up Trump