Are Biden's issuance of presidential pardons going too far?

[CowboyTed]

Now he pardoned Fauci and Milley. Pardoned from what? When have these people ever been convicted and sentenced for any crimes?

Biden pardons Fauci and Milley in an effort to guard against potential ‘revenge’ by Trump​

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has pardoned Dr. Anthony Fauci, retired Gen. Mark Milley and members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, using the extraordinary powers of his office in his final hours to guard against potential “revenge” by the incoming Trump administration.

The decision by Biden comes after Donald Trump warned of an enemies list filled with those who have crossed him politically or sought to hold him accountable for his attempt to overturn his 2020 election loss and his role in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Trump has selected Cabinet nominees who backed his election lies and who have pledged to punish those involved in efforts to investigate him.

“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense,” Biden said in a statement. “Our nation owes these public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country.”

It’s customary for a president to grant clemency at the end of his term, but those acts of mercy are usually offered to everyday Americans who have been convicted of crimes. But Biden has used the power in the broadest and most untested way possible: to pardon those who have not even been investigated yet. And with the acceptance comes a tacit admission of guilt or wrongdoing, even though those who have been pardoned have not been formally accused of any crimes."

https://wgno.com/news/health/ap-bid...-to-guard-against-potential-revenge-by-trump/

Trump issued a pardon to Roger Stone and Manfort....

Get serious...

Biden isn't defending himself but defending innocent Americans from a vengeful President...

This is sensible and good by Biden...

We are seeing his head of FBI and AG and they no morals or respect for the institutions they are joining...

Bondi claimed pure ignorance of Birthright Citizenship... Like she never heard of it, she is becoming AP..

 

[Marener]

Once again you didn't respond to my actual statement.

Apparently you don’t understand irony.

I suppose the legislature could somehow pass secret laws, but they’d be unenforceable and the legislature would have to change a to do so.

Whether they can or can’t isn’t the point.

Secret pardons is just as stupid as secret declassification.

 

[Marener]

Nothing in the Constitution is consistent with pre-emptive pardons, pardons for crimes that may have been committed but not adjudicated.

Why not? You just restated your position. Tautology doesn’t make an argument.

 

[Oddball]

Trump issued a pardon to Roger Stone and Manfort....

Get serious...

Biden isn't defending himself but defending innocent Americans from a vengeful President...

This is sensible and good by Biden...

We are seeing his head of FBI and AG and they no morals or respect for the institutions they are joining...

Bondi claimed pure ignorance of Birthright Citizenship... Like she never heard of it, she is becoming AP..

Stone and Manafort were convicted of alleged criminal acts, numbnutz.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Now he pardoned Fauci and Milley. Pardoned from what? When have these people ever been convicted and sentenced for any crimes?

Biden pardons Fauci and Milley in an effort to guard against potential ‘revenge’ by Trump​

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has pardoned Dr. Anthony Fauci, retired Gen. Mark Milley and members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, using the extraordinary powers of his office in his final hours to guard against potential “revenge” by the incoming Trump administration.

The decision by Biden comes after Donald Trump warned of an enemies list filled with those who have crossed him politically or sought to hold him accountable for his attempt to overturn his 2020 election loss and his role in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Trump has selected Cabinet nominees who backed his election lies and who have pledged to punish those involved in efforts to investigate him.

“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense,” Biden said in a statement. “Our nation owes these public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country.”

It’s customary for a president to grant clemency at the end of his term, but those acts of mercy are usually offered to everyday Americans who have been convicted of crimes. But Biden has used the power in the broadest and most untested way possible: to pardon those who have not even been investigated yet. And with the acceptance comes a tacit admission of guilt or wrongdoing, even though those who have been pardoned have not been formally accused of any crimes."

https://wgno.com/news/health/ap-bid...-to-guard-against-potential-revenge-by-trump/

The don't understand what they just did. They gave trump the power, now, to weaponize the doj and congress against his opponents and then pardon all of them on his way out.


Good job dems!

 

[martybegan]

Funny how you never care about Trump’s lies. Hypocrite!

Funny how you only care about Trump's supposed lies.

 

[konradv]

Nothing in the Constitution is consistent with pre-emptive pardons, pardons for crimes that may have been committed but not adjudicated.

Where in the Constitution does it say a president can’t do that?

 

[martybegan]

Apparently you don’t understand irony.

I suppose the legislature could somehow pass secret laws, but they’d be unenforceable and the legislature would have to change a to do so.

Whether they can or can’t isn’t the point.

Secret pardons is just as stupid as secret declassification.

They pass laws with classified parts, but again that is a national security exception written into the laws.

You are the one advocating secret pardons, dipshit. Can you even keep track of your bullshit anymore?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Trump is attacking anyone who ever testified against him

Biden is just protecting them from retribution

No, the retribution already happened, he's protecting them from justice....they know an investigation will ensue, they probably know some new things will come to light they don't want people to see, now they are worried.

It's ok, what goes around comes around...

 

[konradv]

Funny how you only care about Trump's supposed lies.

The man is a World Champion liar.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes, convicted. As in proven that they committed crimes to protect Trump.

Somehow your partisan hack brain thinks it’s worse to pardon people who aren’t convicted of anything and didn’t do anything wrong.

As opposed to actual criminals.

Who the F are you blabbering about? Surely, you need mental health care. Seek it soon.

 

[Auld Phart]

Trump issued a pardon to Roger Stone and Manfort....

Get serious...

Biden isn't defending himself but defending innocent Americans from a vengeful President...

This is sensible and good by Biden...

We are seeing his head of FBI and AG and they no morals or respect for the institutions they are joining...

Bondi claimed pure ignorance of Birthright Citizenship... Like she never heard of it, she is becoming AP..

Trump issued a pardon to Roger Stone and Manfort....

were they preemptive?

 

[martybegan]

The man is a World Champion liar.

Exaggerator and blowhard, and no more a liar than anyone else in politics.

 

[Hollie]

Why not? You just restated your position. Tautology doesn’t make an argument.

You are making the nonsensical " ....becausecI say so" argument.

Presidential pardon powers 101: The Precedents | Constitution Center

Debates about presidential pardon powers come up on a regular basis, but in some ways they are among the most misunderstood aspects of executive powers granted by the Constitution, including the obscure question of a presidential self-pardon.

constitutioncenter.org

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The President has pardon or clemency power under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, of the Constitution, under the Pardon Clause. The clause says the President “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

"Offenses against the United States,"

Nothing related to "might have, but we don't know", or "offenses to be named at a later date".

 

[Marener]

You are the one advocating secret pardons, dipshit. Can you even keep track of your bullshit anymore?

Again, you don’t understand irony.

If the president can secretly declassify information, why can’t they secretly pardon people?

 

[justoffal]

Now he pardoned Fauci and Milley. Pardoned from what? When have these people ever been convicted and sentenced for any crimes?

Biden pardons Fauci and Milley in an effort to guard against potential ‘revenge’ by Trump​

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has pardoned Dr. Anthony Fauci, retired Gen. Mark Milley and members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, using the extraordinary powers of his office in his final hours to guard against potential “revenge” by the incoming Trump administration.

The decision by Biden comes after Donald Trump warned of an enemies list filled with those who have crossed him politically or sought to hold him accountable for his attempt to overturn his 2020 election loss and his role in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Trump has selected Cabinet nominees who backed his election lies and who have pledged to punish those involved in efforts to investigate him.

“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense,” Biden said in a statement. “Our nation owes these public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country.”

It’s customary for a president to grant clemency at the end of his term, but those acts of mercy are usually offered to everyday Americans who have been convicted of crimes. But Biden has used the power in the broadest and most untested way possible: to pardon those who have not even been investigated yet. And with the acceptance comes a tacit admission of guilt or wrongdoing, even though those who have been pardoned have not been formally accused of any crimes."

https://wgno.com/news/health/ap-bid...-to-guard-against-potential-revenge-by-trump/

Don't sweat it. Whether they realize it or not they're actually giving Trump Cart Blanche. Four years from now they will have completely forgotten about this and scream at the top of their lungs with every pardon that Trump passes out.

 

[martybegan]

Again, you don’t understand irony.

If the president can secretly declassify information, why can’t they secretly pardon people?

Not secretly, but releasing it he declassifies it.

Why would some bureaucratic rule have any power over an elected President?

 

[Hollie]

Again, you don’t understand irony.

If the president can secretly declassify information, why can’t they secretly pardon people?

What a ridiculous attempt at some pointless stretch of reason and rationality for comparison.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Where in the Constitution does it say a president can’t do that?

and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

This would seem to indicate for offenses...meaning already committed. Past tense.

 

[struth]

Trump issued a pardon to Roger Stone and Manfort....

Get serious...

Biden isn't defending himself but defending innocent Americans from a vengeful President...

This is sensible and good by Biden...

We are seeing his head of FBI and AG and they no morals or respect for the institutions they are joining...

Bondi claimed pure ignorance of Birthright Citizenship... Like she never heard of it, she is becoming AP..

Trump issued pardons to citizens caught in the Demfacsit political prosecutions. The American people rejected the Demafacsit because of their corrupt stalinist tactics, and now Xiden is undermining the will of the people by placing those responsible for their abuses above the law