Are Biden's issuance of presidential pardons going too far?

[Oddball]

I don't get Fauci, what crime did he commit? What if Trump orders an investigation in the interest of the public?

Start with perjury before Senate hearings.....Then on to crimes related to bio-warfare.

 

[Modern Messiah]

Given there’s been no investigation, didn’t just make some crimes up?

Why not just claim he committed murder or vehicular manslaughter or tax evasion or any crime you want?

That's my point.
Now that bite me confirmed they have engaged in criminal behavior, he just admitted that they have done something (anything) under the sun that would be considered criminal behavior.
He may have just kicked off several investigations that were never even going to happen in the first place.
As you can see, cornpop is a master strategist.
Good thing you voted for him right.

 

[Marener]

There is nothing saying they don't have to announce them either.

Show me past instances of pardons not announced in the modern era, ones not related to national security.

It’s silent on the issue, so the president can do whatever they want. Announce it. Keep it secret.

I don’t think anyone’s ever done it before, but there’s no reason they can’t.

 

[Modern Messiah]

No it’s not. The only ones that considered it “illegal lawfare” are delusional MAGAs that were going to vote for him no matter what.

312>226
FACT!!!

 

[Marener]

That's my point.
Now that bite me confirmed they have engaged in criminal behavior, he just admitted that they have done something (anything) under the sun that would be considered criminal behavior.
He may have just kicked off several investigations that were never even going to happen in the first place.
As you can see, cornpop is a master strategist.
Good thing you voted for him right.

You’re delusional.

 

[Blaster]

Unlike Biden, Trump is not interested in using lawfare against political enemies.

 

[Blaster]

It’s silent on the issue, so the president can do whatever they want. Announce it. Keep it secret.

I don’t think anyone’s ever done it before, but there’s no reason they can’t.

They can't.

 

[Marener]

Unlike Biden, Trump is not interested in using lawfare against political enemies.

Apparently MAGA is, otherwise they wouldn’t be upset about these preemptive pardons.

 

[Marener]

They can't.

Show me where the constitution says they can’t.

There’s no process specified. The president can pardon people just by thinking it. Obviously.

 

[Modern Messiah]

You’re delusional.

I didn't vote for this old, corrupt, senile fool.
You did!
And now you're left holding the bag trying to defend his reprehensible actions.
By 2:00 pm today he'll be slurping up soup in some nursing home.

 

[Marener]

I didn't vote for this old, corrupt, senile fool.
You did!
And now you're left holding the bag trying to defend his reprehensible actions.
By 2:00 pm today he'll be slurping up soup in some nursing home.

You’re clearly very emotional about this.

 

[struth]

The guy with a Nixon tattoo.

He didn't lie to protect Trump.

 

[martybegan]

It’s silent on the issue, so the president can do whatever they want. Announce it. Keep it secret.

I don’t think anyone’s ever done it before, but there’s no reason they can’t.

How can you keep it secret if everyone has to know about it to stop any investigation or prosecution from happening?

 

[Modern Messiah]

You’re clearly very emotional about this.

No
You are trying to defend the actions of an old corrupt politician you voted for.
I brought it up and then you got triggered and started to lash out in a childish manner.
Very unbecoming.

 

[Marener]

How can you keep it secret if everyone has to know about it to stop any investigation or prosecution from happening?

I guess you’ll just have to ask him anytime anyone gets prosecuted.

It’s a stupid, terrible system, but it’s consistent with the constitution.

 

[konradv]

Now he pardoned Fauci and Milley. Pardoned from what? When have these people ever been convicted and sentenced for any crimes?

Biden pardons Fauci and Milley in an effort to guard against potential ‘revenge’ by Trump​

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has pardoned Dr. Anthony Fauci, retired Gen. Mark Milley and members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, using the extraordinary powers of his office in his final hours to guard against potential “revenge” by the incoming Trump administration.

The decision by Biden comes after Donald Trump warned of an enemies list filled with those who have crossed him politically or sought to hold him accountable for his attempt to overturn his 2020 election loss and his role in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Trump has selected Cabinet nominees who backed his election lies and who have pledged to punish those involved in efforts to investigate him.

“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense,” Biden said in a statement. “Our nation owes these public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country.”

It’s customary for a president to grant clemency at the end of his term, but those acts of mercy are usually offered to everyday Americans who have been convicted of crimes. But Biden has used the power in the broadest and most untested way possible: to pardon those who have not even been investigated yet. And with the acceptance comes a tacit admission of guilt or wrongdoing, even though those who have been pardoned have not been formally accused of any crimes."

https://wgno.com/news/health/ap-bid...-to-guard-against-potential-revenge-by-trump/

If Trump pardons any of the remaining copkillers, THAT’S going too far.

 

[Hollie]

Sure it will since it is a tradition of the presidency.
The power of the president to grant pardons is found in Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution. This power allows the president to forgive people convicted of federal crimes, end their sentences, and restore their rights.

What the Constitution says

• The president can grant pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment
• The president's pardon power includes the power to grant reprieves, remit fines, penalties, and forfeitures

You very handily destroyed your own attempt at argument. Nothing you provided addresses retroactive pardons as protection for crimes not yet adjudicated.

 

[martybegan]

I guess you’ll just have to ask him anytime anyone gets prosecuted.

It’s a stupid, terrible system, but it’s consistent with the constitution.

No, it isn't. You have to announce things like this, because the people being pardoned need to know they are being pardoned, and there is no national security reason to classify such a thing.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Start with perjury before Senate hearings.....Then on crimes related to bio-warfare.

Well, if Biden is pardoning him isn't this an admittance that he and others are aware that they committed crimes? You don't just randomly choose to pardon specific people without a reason, right?

These pardons do more damage than good. Trump can do an investigation and call THEM all "felons who weren't charged"

 

[martybegan]

If Trump pardons any of the remaining copkillers, THAT’S going too far.

The only person to die on J6 due to actions that day was a protester.