Are Biden's issuance of presidential pardons going too far?

[Marener]

No, it isn't. You have to announce things like this, because the people being pardoned need to know they are being pardoned, and there is no national security reason to classify such a thing.

Where in the constitution does it say you have to announce it?

 

[martybegan]

Where in the constitution does it say you have to announce it?

Where in the Constitution does it say laws have to be announced?

It's common fucking sense.

 

[Modern Messiah]

I guess you’ll just have to ask him anytime anyone gets prosecuted.

It’s a stupid, terrible system, but it’s consistent with the constitution.

He may have instigated investigations at this point.
If he did these people might have to answer some questions.
I don't know.
I can't see into the future.
Nobody can.

 

[Hollie]

I guess you’ll just have to ask him anytime anyone gets prosecuted.

It’s a stupid, terrible system, but it’s consistent with the constitution.

No. Nothing about pre-emptive pardons is consistent with the Constitution.

If Trump pardons any of the remaining copkillers, THAT’S going too far.

What cop killers?

 

[wamose]

Sure it will since it is a tradition of the presidency.
The power of the president to grant pardons is found in Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution. This power allows the president to forgive people convicted of federal crimes, end their sentences, and restore their rights.

What the Constitution says

• The president can grant pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment
• The president's pardon power includes the power to grant reprieves, remit fines, penalties, and forfeitures

OK, so granting immunity isn't included.

 

[konradv]

The only person to die on J6 due to actions that day was a protester.

Cops died. That’s all that matters for them to be considered copkillers, not the timing. I’m not concerned about a dead insurrectionist, but on the mental well-being of the brave officer who “stood his ground” and did his duty to protect the Capitol from domestic enemies.

 

[Auld Phart]

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Feb 18, 2020 — President condemns 'fraudulent investigation' and falsely claims that he is the country's chief law enforcement officer.

I see a key word there

"conviction"

 

[Oddball]

The only person to die on J6 due to actions that day was a protester.

Two....Rosanne Boyland was beaten to death.

 

[Oddball]

Cops died.

#FUCKINGLIAR.

 

[martybegan]

Cops died. That’s all that matters for them to be considered copkillers, not the timing. I’m not concerned about a dead insurrectionist, but on the mental well-being of the brave officer who “stood his ground” and did his duty to protect the Capitol from domestic enemies.

Wrong. to be a copkiller you have to be indicted as one and convicted as one. Show me the conviction, or even the indictment.

Stand you ground applied to civilians, officers have different rules of engagement.

 

[Marener]

Where in the Constitution does it say laws have to be announced?

It's common fucking sense.

I thought it was common fucking sense that you’d announce information was declassified, but I was told clearly by MAGA that’s not the case, so if it feels like we are dealing with stupid fucking ideas, it’s because MAGA brought us here.

 

[Hollie]

No it’s not. The only ones that considered it “illegal lawfare” are delusional MAGAs that were going to vote for him no matter what.

What a horrible thing that Democrats couldn't find a way to prevent voters from their right to vote. Democrats tried every sleazy tactic but failed to strip citizens of their Constitutional right to vote.

 

[Marener]

No. Nothing about pre-emptive pardons is consistent with the Constitution.

What’s not consistent?

 

[martybegan]

I thought it was common fucking sense that you’d announce information was declassified, but I was told clearly by MAGA that’s not the case, so if it feels like we are dealing with stupid fucking ideas, it’s because MAGA brought us here.

Once again you didn't respond to my actual statement.

 

[konradv]

Wrong. to be a copkiller you have to be indicted as one and convicted as one. Show me the conviction, or even the indictment.

Stand you ground applied to civilians, officers have different rules of engagement.

I can say whatever I want. They’re copkillers.

 

[Hollie]

Cops died. That’s all that matters for them to be considered copkillers, not the timing. I’m not concerned about a dead insurrectionist, but on the mental well-being of the brave officer who “stood his ground” and did his duty to protect the Capitol from domestic enemies.

What cops died?

 

[Marener]

What a horrible thing that Democrats couldn't find a way to prevent voters from their right to vote. Democrats tried every sleazy tactic but failed to strip citizens of their Constitutional right to vote.

Nope. You’re thinking of Trump in 2020 when he tried to take away votes because he didn’t like how people voted.

 

[martybegan]

I can say whatever I want. They’re copkillers.

And when you do people know you are a filthy fucking liar.

The George Costanza rule doesn't apply on message boards when everyone can see your lies.

 

[konradv]

And when you do people know you are a filthy fucking liar.

The George Costanza rule doesn't apply on message boards when everyone can see your lies.

Funny how you never care about Trump’s lies. Hypocrite!

 

[Hollie]

What’s not consistent?

Nothing in the Constitution is consistent with pre-emptive pardons, pardons for crimes that may have been committed but not adjudicated.