Are Biden's issuance of presidential pardons going too far?

[Marener]

"Offenses against the United States,"

Nothing related to "might have, but we don't know", or "offenses to be named at a later date".

The pardons specify all offenses if I’m not mistaken.

 

[Marener]

Not secretly, but releasing it he declassifies it.

Why would some bureaucratic rule have any power over an elected President?

He didn’t release anything. He kept them hidden in his basement. To this day, we don’t know what he had down there.

What is stopping the secret pardons? Some bureaucratic rule?

 

[Marener]

What a ridiculous attempt at some pointless stretch of reason and rationality for comparison.

Secretly declassifying information stretches reason and rationality but MAGA acted like it was a thing.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Guilty of what?

PARDENED FOR WHAT???????????????????????????????????

 

[Marener]

PARDENED FOR WHAT???????????????????????????????????

Any and all offenses.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Right, the language is clear. CONVICTED.

The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment.

No. It does not! The word does not appear in the Constitution. Sorry!

 

[martybegan]

He didn’t release anything. He kept them hidden in his basement. To this day, we don’t know what he had down there.

What is stopping the secret pardons? Some bureaucratic rule?

Why would we know about materials you are claiming are classified?

If they were unclassified we would know about them, but you are saying Trump can't do that.

Do you even try to keep track of your positions anymore?

 

[Marener]

If they were unclassified we would know about them

Great. Since we don’t know about them, then they’re obviously classified, right?

 

[struth]

Again, you don’t understand irony.

If the president can secretly declassify information, why can’t they secretly pardon people?

How's the pardonee suppose to know they are pardoned? How can they accept a pardon if the President doesn't tell them?

You really didn't think this through

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump has used the Presidency to claim “you can’t prosecute a sitting President”

Biden is using the powers of the presidency to protect Trumps enemies

Not a claim. FACT! Jack Smith even referenced it in releasing his report. Have a horrible day because I know you will!

 

[Marener]

How's the pardonee suppose to know they are pardoned? How can they accept a pardon if the President doesn't tell them?

Why would they need to know if they pardoned before they’re charged?

 

[martybegan]

Great. Since we don’t know about them, then they’re obviously classified, right?

Pathetic save attempt, 2/10. Try moar.

 

[Hollie]

The pardons specify all offenses if I’m not mistaken.

Yo really mean all offenses that might have occurred but not yet adjudicated.

And yes, you are mistaken as usual.

Once more from my earlier link,

"The President has pardon or clemency power under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, of the Constitution, under the Pardon Clause. The clause says the President “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

Pardons for Offenses means that the offenses are known. Nothing in the Constitution refers to offenses to be named at a later date.

 

[justoffal]

Trump issued pardons to citizens caught in the Demfacsit political prosecutions. The American people rejected the Demafacsit because of their corrupt stalinist tactics, and now Xiden is undermining the will of the people by placing those responsible for their abuses above the law

They are not in an enviable position. It does not prevent them from being called as witnesses and now they cannot plead the fifth. This puts them in a very tough position. That means they have to answer every question put to them or face jail time for which they have not been pardoned. A pardon is not really all that and a bag of chips.

 

[Marener]

Pathetic save attempt, 2/10. Try moar.

I mean, you basically just admitted Trump didn’t declassify his documents in his basement, which makes him a felon.

Are you still claiming the president can secretly declassify information just by thinking about it one day?

If so, the president can secretly pardon someone just by thinking about it.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Any and all offenses.

What CHARGES or CONVICTIONS????????????????????????????

 

[Marener]

Pardons for Offenses means that the offenses are known. Nothing in the Constitution refers to offenses to be named at a later date.

They’re not named at a later date. They’re specified in the pardon under the term “all”.

Tell me where the constitution says they need to be adjudicated?

 

[struth]

Why would they need to know if they pardoned before they’re charged?

So they don't get charged or even investigated.

This isn't really that hard a concept

 

[Hollie]

This would seem to indicate for offenses...meaning already committed. Past tense.

Exactly. A pardon would be for an offense known and identified.

 

[SeaMajor7]

This WILL go the the SCOTUS!!!!